Mormons FTW!
BTW, the article says 19 and not 16
Fixed, thanks.
Let me just say it.
GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!
She might be 19 now and 16 then.
I'm wondering what his crazy-as-fuck followers are going to do. From what I've heard, a Waco-type standoff wouldn't be unthinkable.
This is all Arizona - Utah politics. This is a cult, yes, but people under twenty were married and living together, and after three months had some sex - seems to me they should have tried Mother Nature.
By the way, he was a very credible witness saying no it just kinda eventually happened, after cuddling and back scratching and stuff.
And, the local courts have tied up the cult assets in some receivership, 100,000.00 millions plus - bound to make all the local attorneys rich.
Rape by proxy, wow.
And she had already launched a civil suit against the church for a million BEFORE the arrest. More cash for local attorneys.
The cult leader has set in jail two years awaiting trial. Since all assets are communal, no bail money from the appointed trustees of the cult assets.
Weird stuff, but, rape by proxy, no way.
When the Pope says eat the flesh of Jesus, is it cannibalism by proxy?
@4: One can only hope.
Do they give out group Darwin awards...?
Odd that they haven't charged the person he was convicted of helping to commit rape.
this makes my day! are there more charges in the future for this asshole? hope so.
lynn ward, STFU!
#8 - You do mean the Pope for cannibalism by proxy? The BIG TIME asshole.
Please explain why you are happy to see crimes by proxy - in religion - or most any where else?
Justice is justice even for the weird and unpopular and cultist.
By the way I remember some postings here a while back and polygamy was well supported.
On appeal, the conviction will be reversed.
Corrupt legal system in this case. Grand standing small town prosecuter and the wealth of the cult at stake.
Follow the money. The leader goes to jail, the wealth stays in receivership for a very long time making attorneys and all those folks richer in these small, dusty Arizona and Utah towns.
And of course, Mother Nature will still signal 15 year old girls and 19 year old guys to fuck each other silly - often.
With or without marriage, rings, parental permission or prigs or laws - in general.
#6 - So you endorse murder by proxy? Waco was murder. You are a blood thirsty savage, and very fucked up to even say such a horrible thing. Hey violent douche bag idiot.
Follow the money. It is about money.
This may be a cult in modern terms, they have been in these towns for over 100 years.
Dusty desert pit stops. No consequence to anyone in Utah except for all the communal wealth built up over the years.
Oh I forgot, Slog bright lights all angry that cuddling and back scratching led to sex between two young people. Are you a PRUDE to boot?
This was not rape. On appeal it will be overturned.
@10 - suuuurrrre ... and next you'll tell us the Saudis didn't attack us on 9-11 ...
Lynd Ward you must obviously be one of those Short Creek douchebags! Warren Jeffs has commited PLENTY of crimes over the years, that's how his in-bred cult got rich! SO WHAT IF HE GET'S NAILED FOR THIS CRIME!!! Al Capone got nailed for tax evasion, not murder and racqueteering! After many years the law finally got Warren-the-creepy-pedophile-perve-Jeffs! Most people who live in Arizona and Utah don't give a flying crap what he's taken down for, so long as the law FINALLY takes him down! He and his circle of cronies are disgusting child/women abusing, thieving swine! GOOD RIDDENCE! I hope they through the book at him. IF his conviction gets overturned it will be after many, many years in prison, where he gets to "Keep Sweet" for some man.
Sorry, I meant to say they should "throw" the book at him!
#11
I do not care for "herd think."
This case caught my attention a few months ago when this prophet guy was arrested. Did some research and followed the trial.
After all the cult blah blah is exhausted, I believe there was no rape by proxy or otherwise.
She is lying. Hubby who says we had no sex for three months cause it was up to her to say it was OK, we cuddled one night and started giving back scratching and one thing led to another --- he is telling the truth.
She did leave him later - met another man by whom she had a child.
Then she sues the cult for 1 million and two years after the cult is in receivership the leader is convicted of bogus crime, which charges are brought AFTER the civil suit was filed.
She will get her million, the cult's wealth will be exhausted by the local corrupt bar, and all the howling group thinkers appeased.
No Justice. He is not guilty. I believe the county boy husband totally.
I have no husband - am not Mormon - not a virgin at 16 - but think Justice is essential.
And the local bar association in small counties is more of a cult than any religion. My personal experience.
When the local bar/leeches get done raping the Church's wealth there will little left for people to buy food.
Follow the money.
Yucca - why is this so personal? From the little I know, these break off sects are common in this area. What is the big deal?
And since they live communally, the central fund would most likely be hefty. Good result of combining resources, the " communal bank" flourishes.
Lots of semi communal living in Seattle - high cost of living - rent a big house, share the rent and cooking, etc. Makes sense. And often the beds are shared too.
Certainly no polygamy - just good healthy sex.
And since they live communally, the central fund would most likely be hefty. Good result of combining resources, the " communal bank" flourishes.
Yep, many polygamist sects get wealthy by swindling the government. In the eyes of the law, all those women are poor single mothers. The welfare checks roll in and the money goes into the "community" fund, from which the male leaders of the community benefit.
@14,
I wouldn't be surprised if the legal action doesn't hold water; that's for an appellate court to decide. I also tend to lean in favor of the girl. Those fundamentalist sects are scary and their leaders even scarier.
It's one thing to be neutral. I don't blame anyone who admits to not knowing all the facts and taking a neutral position. It's completely different to have a knee-jerk reaction siding with the patriarchal, oppressive nutcases. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Above - In all fairness to your objectivity - hundreds of thousands, millions, of single moms across America
get cks. from the system to help raise their kids. Common as salt and legal.
You have a hang up.
And nothing the fuck is wrong with me.
I don't think the guy is guilty of rape. Whatever else, well no opinion thus far.
You must be an old time Mormon - or just an old time Mormon hater?
By the way, a bus ticket will let you leave any cult in America. Or a phone call to the the anti-cult folks.
I'm with you, Lynn/Lynd. This was a witch hunt from the start. Does that mean I think Warren Jeffs is an okay, standup guy? Absolutely not. Whether FLDSers are batshit crazy was not the issue on trial. But accessory to rape? Fucking joke. This was clearly a case of someone doing something that "we" aren't supposed to like, so they slapped something on him to rile us all up. She could have left, this poor poor "child" who was of legal age of consent at the time of her marriage, as MANY former FLDSers have, and as she ultimately did. And you know, if she couldn't? Then charge someone with kidnapping or unlawful imprisonment. Or if you take issue with the age of consent being 14 in Utah, challenge THAT law. But that isn't nearly so sexy, is it?
I don't care if they lock the crazy fuck up for spitting on the sidewalk, I'm just happy to see him locked up. The FLDS scares the fuck out of me, the way they basically infiltrate a town, buy up all the property, run for all the elective offices, and then essentially make their own laws. I expect to see them legalizing death by stoning any day now. These people are CRAZY.
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