Slog - Comments on Speaking of Gay Men Who Grew Up in the '40s and '50s http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4 The infamous Larry Craig is 62 years old, meaning he grew up in a time when it was much different to be a gay man. David Kopay, a former football player for the University of Washington, is 65, meaning he grew up during that same time period. Kopay had some dark days as a gay man in the UW's football program, but he went on to become the first openly gay professional athlete in American team sports, and now he's pledging half his estate—$1 million—to the UW's center for people with different sexual orientations, Q Center. The Seattle Times has... Copyright 2008 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:15:48 -0800 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:52:32 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by monkey Didn't he come out AFTER he retired?

]]> monkey http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797578 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797578 Life Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:25:06 -0800 Comment by Strident is as strident does... Thanks Eli. I'm hoping that you posted this to reflect the varied paths homos have taken, good and bad, but greatly influenced by many things. Dan's position on this issue is clearly out of touch and stridently stupid.

]]> Strident is as strident does... http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797581 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797581 Life Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:27:01 -0800 Comment by steve Congrats to the Q-Center!

]]> steve http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797585 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797585 Life Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:29:55 -0800 Comment by michael strangeways hmmm...not sure why dan is "out of touch" and "stridently stupid" for criticizing closety gay homophobes...

I hope he keeps on doing it...I'm all ready for a Bonfire of the Hypocrites...

]]> michael strangeways http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797612 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797612 Life Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:58:28 -0800 Comment by Bauhaus Coming out was (and is) difficult and Senator I'd-a-ho' did grow up in a different time, but Dave Kopay never actively campaigned against gay rights for political gain. Let's not be too sympathetic.

Now, on a very shallow, superficial level, is it possible that Craig sought sex in a tearoom because he's a graduate of The Slade Gorton School of Beauty and bathroom sex was his only shot at getting off? Well, that or a glory hole.

]]> Bauhaus http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797615 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797615 Life Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:01:56 -0800 Comment by Gitai There's a Q Center on UW's campus? When I was there, involved queers just hung out at the GBLTC office.

]]> Gitai http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797652 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797652 Life Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:26:52 -0800 Comment by Just Me I came out in Spokane while in college and was in the hospital after three guys beat the shit out of me at Northpoint Shopping center near the Shopko. Turned out they went to my school.

So...that was in the early 1990's so I can not be too harsh on Craig for not coming out. I CAN be harsh on him for pushing a homophobic agenda in Congress and forcing that homophobia on others. What he chooses to put his family through maybe hell but that is HIS choice. But he has no right to infringe on anyone else's rights who are gay. So as long as he is part of a party that hates gays then his personal life should be on display for everyone. EVERY single fucked up detail. Down to the number of pubic hairs left in the bathroom stall. Hell, we should have video of him creeping around bathrooms posted for all to see. As long as he holds public office while holding homophobic views I want him emotionally destoryed.

It is the least he deserves.

]]> Just Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797684 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797684 Life Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:42:25 -0800 Comment by Lake Regarding the donation-- that is AMAZING. It gave me chills when I read that. F'ing awesome.

@6

The Q Center is 10x better than the GLBTC office in my opinion. It's HUGE! And friendly, and staffed. And it's in Schmitz on an upper floor. WAY more discreet for questioning individuals than the main thoroughfare of the HUB club rooms probably. They have lots and lots of books you can check out also.

When I was at the U, the GLBTC office was like queen central...you know the bitchy ugly ones who were there waiting for a normal person to stray in and make them their boyfriend (or gossip topic).

I

]]> Lake http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797822 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c797822 Life Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:06:46 -0800 Comment by Gitai @8 Hey! I hung out at that office all the time. And yes, we did gossip, but everyone gossips.

You do have a point about the discretion part. We once had a closet case crawl from the elevator to the office because he was worried someone in the lounge below would see him.

]]> Gitai http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c798141 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/speaking_of_gay_men_who_grew_up_in_the_4#c798141 Life Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:52:32 -0800