Slog - Comments on Seattle Loves Obama http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama But Obama is tanking in the national polls--he trails Hillary Clinton by 20 points. Slate offers the former phenom some advice. Go after Clinton, don't panic, keep raising money. Uh... gee. I'm thinking Obama could've worked that out on his own.... Copyright 2008 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:17:55 -0800 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:59:01 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Mr. Poe Racist!

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c806984 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c806984 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:23:50 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger Obama better pull his shit together fast! We can not survive a Hillary Clinton Presidency!! Do we want a President who was fooled by George W. Bush????

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c806986 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c806986 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:26:40 -0800 Comment by tsm Jesus. Please, Democrats everywhere, don't make me vote for Hillary. Please don't make me vote for 28 full years of this country being ruled by either a Bush or a Clinton. Just once, I'd like my presidential vote to be for a candidate I actually have some faith in, and not a mere defensive maneuver.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c806994 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c806994 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:33:43 -0800 Comment by Cato the Younger Younger Mr Poe, is your mood anything other than aggravated on your Myspace page? Gee, you need a high colonic!

]]> Cato the Younger Younger http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807000 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807000 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:40:22 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe No. But I try not to make it a daily task to update my mood for all to see.

If you should know, I'm super happy.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807003 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807003 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:43:27 -0800 Comment by Bald Face Lie Obama is a C.F.R. candidate.
What is the C.F.R.?
Was Cheney a former director of the C.F.R.?
Why should you be concerned?

These people pose as "liberals" & "conservatives" in order to control all aspects of the debate.

Democrat CFR Candidates:
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
Chris Dodd
Bill Richardson

Republican CFR Candidates:
Mitt Romney
Rudy Giuliani
John McCain
Fred Thompson

]]> Bald Face Lie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807029 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807029 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:59:45 -0800 Comment by ellarosa c.f.r., @6? you pose question, give no answer. enlighten us.

]]> ellarosa http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807036 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807036 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:06:48 -0800 Comment by mjg Council on Foreign Relations, I believe. It's on Wikipedia. Get ready for kooky conspiracy theories.

Seattle is fucking stupid if it loves Obama.

]]> mjg http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807040 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807040 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:10:31 -0800 Comment by mongo like slog Those of you who have already made up your mind this early in the race please give your reasons as to why Obama is the right choice compared to HRC. I am having trouble contrasting the 2 due to lack of literature on the web. Thank you.

]]> mongo like slog http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807060 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807060 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:30:28 -0800 Comment by Bald Face Lie @ all
cfr.org
C.F.R. formed 1921
The goal is to put an end to the United States of America.

"The CFR is the American Branch of a society which originated in England, and which believes that national boundaries should be obliterated, and a one-world rule established."

Carroll Quigley (Bill Clinton’s mentor), Professor of History at Georgetown University, member of the CFR, stated in his book, "Tragedy & Hope":

If we vote for candidates who openly publish papers like
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102
We can expect policy

I pose questions here for those who are seeing the transparency of candidates and the false left/right paradigm.

You will have to do research and come to your own conclusion on it's members and influence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pLRWiqNsnY

]]> Bald Face Lie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807071 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807071 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:38:39 -0800 Comment by Catman I believe the word you're looking for is "phenomenon."

]]> Catman http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807074 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807074 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:42:13 -0800 Comment by mjg I also hear CFR has a plan to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Kookoo!

Obama is the right choice only because his rhetoric is the fluffiest and most vague. Apparently that plays really well in the northwest.

]]> mjg http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807102 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807102 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:08:06 -0800 Comment by SeMe @11

English is my second language, but I beleive Dan's use of "phenom" is appropriate. It's frequently used slang meaning a remarkable or outstanding person.

The Slate article uses it as well.

]]> SeMe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807105 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807105 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:09:10 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Obama's doing fine. So fine that Hillary had to show up here in Seattle, cause she's worried.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807114 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807114 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:23:17 -0800 Comment by Bald Face Lie @12 - please source "plan to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."


C.F.R. - task force reports
http://www.cfr.org/publication/by_type/task_force_report.html

I am kookoo for presenting real information?

You ignore evidence and HOPE that this organization, members and it's influence on policy is either not true or does not exist.

]]> Bald Face Lie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807127 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807127 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:32:08 -0800 Comment by mjg @15

It's a reference to Dr. Strangelove. Just a joke.

CFR is a powerful and influential thinktank, to be sure. But if you're going to paint them as a shadowy cabal, the burden of proof is on you to substantiate what smacks, to me, of blatant conspiracy theory (i.e., "kookery").

The claim that they are attempting to control the debate also comes off disingenuous to me. The fact that there's so many dissenting views within the CFR indicates to me that you're being painfully reductive.

The links to their website that you have provided do not appear to be evidence of your claims. I've looked over the task force report very briefly, and it's not clear to me that they are attempting to bring about some New World Order. Unless of course you are characterizing any and all multi-national initiatives as evidence.

Sorry, dude, but if you're the one making claims out of the left field, it's your job -- not mine -- to PPOSTFU.

]]> mjg http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807139 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807139 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:46:28 -0800 Comment by lsk3ster Hmmm... I find myself discouraged and unmotivated by the fact that it may be too late. That people have given up and are looking for a candidate with 'electability'. It didn't work with Kerry and it will not work with H. Clinton. People, it seems, deep down want more of the same. Obama not being in Washington that long is a good thing. His track record, for anyone who cares to learn anything about his time as a community organizer (much harder work than being a 1st lady or senator), a state senator and finally elected to congress, tells us something about his integrity, motivation and potential. America needs to stop being lazy and scared because it just leads to more misery for everyone (such as the disastrous results of the Iraq war and its long-term effects everywhere). Democrats should take responsibility for choosing 'electability' over vision which resulted in Bush winning in '04.

]]> lsk3ster http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807290 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807290 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:03:58 -0800 Comment by poor obama Can't help but remember Howard Dean, Seattle loved him too...

]]> poor obama http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807443 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807443 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:56:46 -0800 Comment by Cascadian Obama is all style and no substance. His stated policies are blandly middle of the road, not progressive. Compared to Bush, that makes him FDR, but compared to Bush any of the Democrats including Mike Gravel are FDR.

On the war, Edwards, Dodd, Biden, and Kucinich are superior to both Obama and Clinton. Even bumbling Richards is more antiwar, and Gravel would be better too if he wasn't such a flake. Obama can say that he didn't vote for the war in the first place (easy to say for someone who was running for the state senate at the time), but if he's so farsighted then why do his current foreign policy statements seem so mundane and ineffective?

Obama's health plan is bested by Edwards and Kucinich, and on par with Clinton's recently announced muddle. His tax fairness plan is stale and half-hearted, hardly visionary. His economic policies in general are outmatched by Edwards and Kucinich.

If Obama doesn't start talking and acting like a real progressive, and coming up with real proposals to change the country, he doesn't deserve to be the Democratic nominee.

]]> Cascadian http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807508 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/seattle_loves_obama#c807508 Politics Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:59:01 -0800