Slog - Comments on Mad (Metaphor) George http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george People, this is a serious situation: In a speech defending his administration's Iraq policy, Mr Bush said former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's brutality had made it impossible to find a leader who could unite the country. "I heard somebody say, 'Where's Mandela?'," he said. "Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas." The president is not out of touch, he is out to lunch.... Copyright 2008 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:24:55 -0800 Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:00:23 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by June Bee who are the bird
and the bee?
i can win tickets
and boost
the economy
i pledge allegiance
to not discuss
the World Bank
or Wolfowitz's
new position.
who the bird
and the bee?
they are at the
Crocodile 2222
2nd ave soon.
out of
touch mind
lunch the place to
be ignorant - Gregory
Clark the War and the
World Bank - no
further questions

]]> June Bee http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809459 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809459 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:18:48 -0800 Comment by poster girl What happened to morning news on the weekend? How am I supposed to know what's going on?

]]> poster girl http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809469 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809469 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:51:01 -0800 Comment by Doctor Memory This will likely be the first, last and only time I ever step up to the defense of our president, but mangled syntax aside, he's pretty clearly saying that Saddam managed to kill or successfully marginalize any possible opposition leaders while he was in power, and that therefore Saddam was in no danger of being toppled internally. This is, so far as I know, completely true and not particularly controversial.

Why he decided to express it like that is anyone's guess, although I personally suspect he's back on the sauce.

]]> Doctor Memory http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809471 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809471 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:56:54 -0800 Comment by Jim Demetre I would really be interested to know the names of all the drugs he's on at present.

]]> Jim Demetre http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809473 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809473 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:08:21 -0800 Comment by Brooklyn Reader It's the curse of King George III, the famous mad (as in crazy) king of England at the time of the American Revolution, being visited on the third President of these United States named George.

President George III. Stark raving mad.

]]> Brooklyn Reader http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809474 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809474 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:10:32 -0800 Comment by June Bee from Dr Memory's Blog (i dig it)

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And when love is gone
there's always justice.
And when justice is gone,
there's always force.
And when force is gone,
there's always mom.
(Hi, Mom!)

- Laurie Anderson

Have you seen her in concert? '89 multi-media show in pgh was brilliant!!! vid screens, voice modulators and just beautiful Laurie with her violin - no santa clause :(

]]> June Bee http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809475 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809475 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:10:35 -0800 Comment by June Bee is Jonah in today? i think I'd rather just call than email when I see the Food Bank people? Is talking to a journalist on his personal phone line legal in Seattle?

]]> June Bee http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809478 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809478 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:24:31 -0800 Comment by Rain Monkey July 30, 2000
Web posted at: 6:22 p.m. EDT (2222 GMT)

From staff and wire reports

CHICAGO (CNN) -- President Clinton took aim Sunday at Republican vice presidential hopeful Dick Cheney, saying a controversial 1986 vote Cheney cast in the House of Representatives on former South African President Nelson Mandela -- while Mandela was still imprisoned in South Africa -- "takes your breath away."

The vote was on a House resolution calling for the release of Mandela from prison and for recognition of the African National Congress, which Mandela headed. Cheney voted against the resolution.

"Now all the big publicity is about in the last few days [is] an amazing vote cast by their nominee for vice president when he was in Congress against letting Nelson Mandela out of jail," Clinton said. "That takes your breath away."

Cheney defended the vote in an appearance on CNN's "Late Edition" earlier Sunday, saying the ANC "at the time was viewed as a terrorist organization and had a number of interests that were fundamentally inimical to the U.S." He said 180 House members voted against the non-binding resolution.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/07/30/clinton.cheney/index.html

]]> Rain Monkey http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809479 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809479 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:35:45 -0800 Comment by thecandyqueen When I saw that speech, I was thinking "I can't believe they interrupted the Today Show for this."

]]> thecandyqueen http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809481 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809481 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:47:41 -0800 Comment by elenchos Does it need to be said that even if you accept his basic reasoning, it doesn't help Bush's case for his Iraq policy? For one thing, it implies that he should have known before he invaded that turning a dictatorship into a democracy from the outside was unrealistic, and further, if he's saying that Iraq has no real statesmen today, then it's hopeless isn't it?

Anyway, I only wanted to post so I could link to this.

]]> elenchos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809487 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809487 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:50:19 -0800 Comment by flamingbanjo It's also interesting that he would invoke the moral legacy of Mandela, considering Mandela was one of the most vocal early critics of the Iraq invasion and of the Bush administration in general, saying on September 10 2002 that "the attitude of the United States of America is a threat to world peace."

]]> flamingbanjo http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809496 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809496 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:34:29 -0800 Comment by ellarosa it's just more of his simple-minded bs, the incomplete truth as gwb understands it. i find nothing exceptional about this quote.

]]> ellarosa http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809498 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809498 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:36:48 -0800 Comment by KY. COL. of TRUTH As someone else has wisely observed: "Who knows how many potential Iraqi Mandelas has Bush already terminated through the random lethal trashing of that sad, benighted country?" Blaming Saddam for killing all of the "Mandelas" is like blaming Bush for discouraging people for being intelligent.

]]> KY. COL. of TRUTH http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809511 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809511 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:13:01 -0800 Comment by The Baron Um, didn't his dad help prop up the aparteid regime?

]]> The Baron http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809512 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809512 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:14:17 -0800 Comment by Issur Israel is the issue here folks. In preparing for an attack on Iran Israel is going to need the support of liberals in America. With Hillary Clinton strongly behind Israel, things look good.

Please stop whining about Iraq. Things are going swimmingly for Israel, and attacking Iran may be messy but twenty years from now when Israel leads the middle east, everyone will be glad we had the strength to stand strong.

]]> Issur http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809513 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809513 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:16:42 -0800 Comment by Ass of truth Actually the "Where's Waldo" question is the one Prez himself asked:"Where's the leader?".."Where's George Washington? Where's Thomas Jefferson? Where's John Adams, for crying out loud?" - from Bob Woodward's "State of Denial", referring to the new Iraqi government's dithering.

Apparently, sometimes Bush's "some people say" is just his self.

]]> Ass of truth http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809520 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809520 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:45:23 -0800 Comment by ellarosa issur, for those of us who think israel is NOT the center of the universe, there are other issues. israel is giong to lead the middle east, huh? uh, hate to burst your bubble, but sheer population numbers make this an insane statement. i know, i'm feeding a troll here, but i just couldn't resist.

]]> ellarosa http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809522 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809522 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:47:30 -0800 Comment by misrule @17

RESIST nonetheless! Slog is loopy enough without giving the resident draydel another spin.

]]> misrule http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809533 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809533 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:58:07 -0800 Comment by kinaidos Oh Bush, thou art sick!
The invisible worm
That flies in the night,
in the howling storm

Has found out thy bed
Of christian joy.
And with his dark secret love,
does thy mind destroy.

]]> kinaidos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809557 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809557 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:14:22 -0800 Comment by ellarosa misrule @18: "resident draydel"--that's funny! ok, will do.

]]> ellarosa http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809569 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809569 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:06:32 -0800 Comment by old timer ITMFA

oh, sorry....

it's too late.

]]> old timer http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809577 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809577 Politics Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:31:41 -0800 Comment by gnossos the Cheney quote @ 8 ("Cheney defended the vote in an appearance on CNN's "Late Edition" earlier Sunday, saying the ANC 'at the time was viewed as a terrorist organization and had a number of interests that were fundamentally inimical to the U.S.'"):

Yet another example of why we should distrust any/everything this administration says about terrorism/terrorists.

Hell, I'm at the point of wondering whether Al Qaeda even exists. And wouldn't be terribly surprised if Osama was still on the CIA payroll and living a life of luxury on the back 40 of a ranch in Crawford.

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809597 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809597 Politics Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:06:07 -0800 Comment by gnossos re the Cheney quote re the ANC @ 8 ("at the time [it] was viewed as a terrorist organization and had a number of interests that were fundamentally inimical to the U.S."):

Yet another example of of why any/everything this administration says about terrorism or terrorists should be distrusted.

At this point we should be questioning whether Al Qaeda even exists. I wouldn't be surprised if Osama was still on the CIA payroll and living a life of luxury on the back 40 of a ranch in Crawford.

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809599 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809599 Politics Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:12:49 -0800 Comment by gnossos sorry...

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809600 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809600 Politics Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:14:06 -0800 Comment by rorry An interesting historical note - way back when - in the early years when the Freedom Day Commitee did Gay pride they managed to bring to the stage as a guest speaker an Official Minister of the ANC.

Yes, while Mandela was still in prison. Heavy security, very historic.From all accounts at the time it was the FIRST time the ANC had formally spoken before any gay/lesbian audience in America.

Really rad, and Dan couldn't complain about old hippie radicals as he was not yet in Seattle.

There was a very strong anti apartheid effort in Seattle, and active Gay/lesbian participation. Harvey Muggy, long dead of AIDS and one of the owners of the Off Ramp, did not miss a weekly action for months and months carrying the rainbow flag, a member of the steering committee and generous donor.

Research in the SGN history files at the U would find the details of the ANC speaker.

Free Nelson Madella ribbons were prolific that year at Pride.

Of course the conservatives, GSBA types, in the Gay community were freaked. ANC, the African National Congress is very far left. Old Red.

As we all appreciate now, the modern Constitution of South Africa enacted under Mandella's leadership and the ANC outlaws discrimination against GLBT folks.

Dick Cheney is a far right fanatic, the dark shadow who has ruined most of America.

]]> rorry http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809706 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/09/mad_george#c809706 Politics Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:00:23 -0800