The D's in congress are beyond oblivious. Fuck them all.

"Oh, look at these shiny keys I'm dangling in your face, America."

Another hot prob is that Republicans will do anything to placate their ever more insane and fanatical base, while the Dems' wise strategy is to repeatedly kick their base in the nuts!

I wish someone would just pull the plug on this bad theater.

Coup d'etat, anyone?

i want a list of names, because that's 21 dems who voted yea.

See that's the crux of the issue: It's all political theater and very little actual work is being done. Certainly, little to nothing has actually been done in the last ten years that has helped most Americans, quite the opposite.

Also, today's Democrats are a center right party, not the "Left" at all, so we're dealing with the false choice of either the Right or the psycho, loony Far Right. Either way, the result is the same.

Cantwell and Biden did not vote on either measure.

It's a classic killing of the messenger. Even if you believe, as I do, he was a patsy for Bush from the get go. It most certainly alienated many moderate voters who the democrats will need to win the congress and white house. It marginalized MoveOn's future message in the eyes of the public. It was like something the right would do along the lines of character assassination. It lowered MoveOn to the level of a Rove like public relations tactics.

The right parlayed this into this rather stupid vote that pushed Democrats into a lose lose situation no matter how they voted on the resolution. MoveOn and others should admit (to themselves) it was a public relations mistake to run the ad in the first place and, no pun intented, move on.

The left remains in nearly complete denial about the harm this ad has done. See my blog at link below for my original post on this matter.

From a purely marketing standpoint, I'd say the ad was very effective in that people remember it and are discussing it.

BTW, since the Dems control Congress, how did this huge waste of time get to the floor for a vote anyway?

they SHOULD have come back with another ad calling all the GOP senators TRAITORS. stop backing down & seeking the high ground - the GOP would cut off your head & shit down your neck if they could. pacifism don't work in politics.

Congress is worthless.

That is why this war is not going to end no matter who is in the White House. No one is willing to stand up and stop it. But everyone is willing to say it should stop.

At least Moveon took a stand and did something which is more than congress has been willing to do. Want to end the war? Congress simply needs to not allow the funding bills to come to the house for a vote. Committee chairs can do that. (Please see how Vietnam ended for an example)

and projected future costs are ... $10 billion a year, just for the Iraq part.

Cato the Younger Younger, I always like what you have to say.

It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. ~William G. McAdoo