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right, a shock.......


hmmm celebacy is not proving to be the healthiest idea...

why do we have so many retarded religious people in America..its embarressing.

Posted by tigerlilly | August 6, 2007 11:33 AM
2

Where the hell is Iredell County?

Posted by gillsans | August 6, 2007 11:41 AM
3

just wait till they're 17, pastor jr.

Posted by maxsolomon | August 6, 2007 11:58 AM
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@1

Do you know ANYTHING about the church? Dan at least acknowledges he is completely ignorant of all thing church related in addition to being a coplete bigot. You could at least realize that only Catholic Priests take that vow.

Posted by ecce homo | August 6, 2007 12:01 PM
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ecce, I think 1 was referring to the idea that most Christians are celibate until married.

Posted by mj | August 6, 2007 12:13 PM
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Oy! The Baptists! I can't believe they're allowed to have children and get married!

Posted by Michigan Matt | August 6, 2007 12:18 PM
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Every child deserves a youth pastor.

Posted by monkey | August 6, 2007 12:37 PM
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well, this guy was a soccer coach and teach as well. yes, no place is safe for your children.

sometimes i think that if the age of consent was lower parents would be more vigilant about who their children were interacting with.

Posted by infrequent | August 6, 2007 12:40 PM
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Celibacy = Not Married

Chastity = Not Having Sex

So, for review: Chastity is not proving to be such a good idea for Christian-types, and everyone is Celibate before they are married.

Posted by TacomaRoma | August 6, 2007 1:02 PM
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What with the earlier and earlier onset of puberty in girls -- starting as early as seven, with onset of menses as early as nine or ten, shouldn't we be thinking about lowering the age of consent?

Posted by fnarf | August 6, 2007 1:10 PM
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re: #9

Celibacy is not having sex. Chastity is not having sex with anyone inappropriate, i.e. anyone to whom one isn't heterosexually married.

Posted by beep | August 6, 2007 1:23 PM
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No, Beep -- Celibacy is not being married. Chastity is not having sex at all with anyone ever including yourself.

The words have become confused over the years because they are so closely related in the Christian church laypersons and other have mixed their definitions. It's important to understand what celibacy and chastity mean to the people who espouse these lifestyle choices.

**celibacy**
1663, formed in Eng. from L. cćlibatus "state of being unmarried," from cćlebs "unmarried," from PIE base *kaiwelo- "alone" + lib(h)s- "living." Celibate first recorded 1829.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper

**chastity**
c.1225, "virginity, celibacy," from O.Fr. chastité, from L. castitatem "purity," from castus (see caste).
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2001 Douglas Harper

You can be Celibate and not be Chaste. You can't be Chaste without being Celibate.

Posted by TacomaRoma | August 6, 2007 1:51 PM
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@10,

Does earlier puberty equal earlier maturity? If my nieces are any indication, no, it doesn't. The purpose of age of consent laws is to protect the young and immature from the old and predatory. I see no reason to lower the age.

Posted by keshmeshi | August 6, 2007 1:55 PM
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You are right Tacoma which makes # 1
and #5 wrong and ecce right ; )

Posted by mj | August 6, 2007 2:21 PM
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@13: perhaps the young and immature need to be given a little more credit, and a little more freedom of choice. and perhaps the old and predatory are not always so old or so predatory. regardless, it seems that laws are not what will keep your kids "safe" anymore... if ever.

Posted by infrequent | August 6, 2007 2:27 PM
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TacomaRoma @12 et al:

Both the New Oxford American Dictionary and the American Heritage Dictionary define celibacy as abstaining from both (Oxford) or either (AH) marriage and/or sex, with AH giving the no sex meaning higher placement.

As for chastity, it can be either no sex at all or no sex "with anyone inappropriate" (as beep @11 puts it) depending on context.  Details will vary substantially from group to group.

And if celibate is used to mean not married, then of course you can be chaste and not celibate.  Just because it's sad or freaky doesn't mean people don't do it.

Posted by lostboy | August 6, 2007 5:01 PM
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infrequent @15:

Age of consent laws are an imperfect solution, no doubt.   And let us shout it loud that good parenting is the first, best means of making sure teens are responsible about sex.

That said, there is no shortage of people who are in fact old(er) and predatory, and there is a legitimate need to deter them before the fact.  We need to be able to credibly say, "Man, you will go to jail if you tap that ass!"

Posted by lostboy | August 6, 2007 5:15 PM
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fnarf, you're joking, right? You're not actually suggesting that grown men should be able to poke 14 and 15 year olds, merely because they may be biolgically fertile, are you?

Posted by Big Sven | August 6, 2007 5:28 PM
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I do believe he was being sarcastic and if we was not I will slap him upside da head later.

Posted by mj | August 6, 2007 6:20 PM
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TacomaRoma @12:

I forgot to mention before, there is a perfectly good word for remaining unmarried while retaining the freedom (if not necessarily the opportunity) to indulge in sex: bachelorhood.

Posted by lostboy | August 6, 2007 8:46 PM
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man, there are a bunch of bad teachers out there. some seem worse than others. here's a random link:

http://badbadteacher.com/2007/08/02/adam-albrecht-sentenced/

Posted by infrequent | August 7, 2007 11:34 AM

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