This week marks the occasion of my 30th podcast with artists, dealers, curators, and collectors. In case you’re new to this, the podcast is called In/Visible, it’s accessible to anyone who’s capable of reading Slog (you just click and it plays), and it means you get to hear people in art speak for themselves instead of being filtered through the likes of me.

In honor of the 30th installation—something about 30 feels like a substantial archive—I’m going to start recommending old podcasts every week at the same time as I steer you to the new ones.

New this week is the artist trio PDL, those three guys (Jason Pucinelli, Jed Dunkerley, and Greg Lundgren) who started out working together as, like, “miniature doppelgängers” of the artist trio SBC, and graduated into … well, you’ll see.

Here’s a taste of what they talked about all locked up in the Stranger’s recording “studio” (a conference room with a quite heavy stained-glass door).

You gotta start somewhere. If you can’t be kings of a tiny world, you’re never gonna make it in the medium-sized world.

I do believe when you take something out into a public environment and drop it on the ground or glue it to a wall or chain it to a post, it’s not yours anymore. Don’t expect to get it back.

If you put a chair in the grass at the Olympic Sculpture Park, is it a sculpture?

Listen here.

Alex Schweder is this year’s Stranger Genius Award winner for visual art, and his work is anxious and physical and strange and gorgeous. His podcast was last November, only the third one in the series. Here’s where he went with it:

How do you eat from a vertical surface, how do you construct a wall as edible?

Where we are cleaning ourselves, while we are making ourselves perfect, when we are sloughing off those parts of our body that are time-based, that point to us as objects in time, that’s where a kind of exchange happens between bodies and buildings. When we use a toilet or use a urinal or use a sink, we’re leaving parts of our body, we’re putting parts of our body into the building.

Listen here.