Comments on Seattle 2007: Condos. Panhandling. Shit.

I thought the term "feeding" was passe. (Feeding sounds like the homeless are babies or something.) Can we call it outdoor serving instead?

(Yes, I'm missing the point of the post; carry on.)

I love my downtown condo and could do with less homeless. After two years in Seattle (Baltimore transplant) I share the frustration with this town needing to get bigger and more dense. Build more tall buildings and people like me will move here to patronize the restaurants and clubs. Homeless and jobless people are losers, let them move to Tacoma.

@ Jimbo, well calling them losers is better than what Slog readers are wishing on Tony Snow right now.

But you know what Jimbo, I hope you get panhandled tonight. A LOT!!! And I hope you get to see a homeless child beg you for money, cause that is the kind of prick you are.

Jimbo,

Go fuck yourself - preferably in Baltimore (where they presumably welcome yuppie assholes like yourself).

Some Seattle hostility? Growing into a big, dense, real city is not for everyone. But a big part of density is allowing a diversity of views. Seattle is too provincial. I'm proud to be part of the new wave of money and talent opening up this city to fresh ideas.

One thing I can predict - more homeless people will move to Fremont, Ballard, and Wallingford as the Downtowners crack down on them - pushing them to the more residential neighborhoods.

Way to go, Greg!

(not that anyone asked me)

I've been thinking a lot about this kind of thing lately. Endemic homelessness is something that's sort of evolved in Seattle during my lifetime. My dad and I were homeless when we moved here from Oregon when I was 7 (1979), but it was a very different kind of homelessness than what I see on the streets every day these days. We lived in our car, camped in the woods, and my dad worked low-paying jobs until he had enough money to get us a place. When he died when I was 17 I spent some time between places, dumping my stuff in peoples' basements and couch surfing, working dishwashing jobs until I had enough money to move into a group house or something.

Then of course in the '80s Reagan kicked all the crazy people out onto the streets, and that created a class of people who were homeless but who were, pretty much by definition, too fucked-up to do the kind of bootstrap thing me and my dad had done. Those people are still all over the place, and I definitely think it would be not only more humane but also more cost-effective to have residential low-ratio mental health facilities that help people like that.

But this whole scene with people who consider homelessness some kind of lifestyle choice is something that started in the '90s and, frankly, I just have no patience for it. Gutter punks with their dogs and their attitude and their signs that say "Change for Beer" basically place small businesses in public places at a disadvantage against shopping malls and mega-chains. You know how everyone in Seattle is always bitching about how small local businesses get pushed out by national mega-chains like Urban Outfitters, the Gap and Starbucks? Gutterpunk panhandlers are part of the reason that shit happens. It doesn't have anything to do with a "war on the poor." That's just a lot of hype to obscure the reality that there really are people in the world how don't deserve our sympathy or our help -- and, contrary to what Stranger readers like to believe, they're not all rich white men.

So, you don't want them either, Will?

It'll be sort of like New York, but without the people.

Well, thank God for that. Who wants a bunch of asshole New Yorkers here? As if Californians aren't bad enough.

Feeding is definitely a poor word choice. Let's please find a term that doesn't evoke livestock.

There is a lot of talk of "street feces" but is anyone checking to see if it's human feces? I realize the question itself is funny at least, but I'm sorry I see mountains of shit on the street and I strongly suspect it's from the vast variety of mutt and couture dogs with lazy owners who don't pick up after them.

My bets is all that "street feces" is from the condo owners who are too important to pick up after their dogs. Let's see some real ticketing on those guys (great revenue for the city;)) before we start pushing around the poor.

Jimbo: I can respect the money and the talent, but leave the arrogant, condescending yuppie attitude back east, please. Or take it to Bellevue.

Have to agree with Jimbo. It is not the people in the ghetto, it is the ghetto in the people. Sorry but homeless people are not always cute and fuzzy. John Couey, the homeless guy who murdered Jessica Lunsford by burying her alive clinging a stuffed dolphin

You can take your "money and talent" and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Welcome Jimbo - I have no doubt you will help Seattle become more like Baltimore!

What is Seattle's problem? It's the Chicago transplants and others from back East that make this town. Get a real job and get over yourselves. Seattle is the only place in the country with real estate prices going up forever. That proves something.

@7,

I'm not certain that homelessness as a lifestyle choice suddenly cropped up in the '90s, maybe here but not elsewhere. In San Francisco, for example, that attitude took hold in the '60s and '70s. It was only in the '90s when the city started to crack down on it.

Anyway, truly mentally ill or addicted individuals aside, there will always be people who can't deal with real life. It's just that most of them wind up living in their parents' basements.

I think we should do more to help people suffering from mental illness and drug addiction. If had affective treatment for those we could eliminate a huge percentage of the homeless population. Unfortunately I think that means involuntary confinement. A schizophrenic refusing treatment is not exercising their rights, there suffering from a disease. Lets fight the problem instead of the symptoms.

But, I have no desire to support the beer and pot habit of some listless 20 year old who wants to fight the man by harassing people on the Ave. Being lazy is not a political statement.

Real Change "vendors" are nothing more than glorified panhandlers. I am sick and tired of being harassed by the "vendor" who is on the corner outside of my place of work all day, every day. Why would I want to purchase a paper whose writers and readers desire to vilify me for working hard, earning a living (that doesn't involve harassing people), and living in a nice building in downtown?

"What is Seattle's Problem?"
--ohh I'm sure you'll tell us, what with all that talent and money you have, what Seattle's really problem is.
"It's the Chicago transplants and others from back East that make this town."
--o.k. if you say so.
"Get a real job and get over yourselves."--
---thanks for that advice, but ummm no, not if it means becoming like you.
"Seattle is the only place in the country with real estate prices going up forever."
---and thats good for the people who live here and don't want your self important lifestyle, how?
"That proves something."
---sure it does, that there are always those that want to come into an area and muck up a good thing, if there is money to be made.

**hipsterlite**

There are no homeless in Baltimore?

Jimbo has proved conclusively that money and talent can't buy class.

I'm positive that Jimbo is speaking in troll and that he is somebody who actually agrees with most of the people in this thread.

I agree with the Reagan-era comments. Mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed to just fend for themselves on the streets. That's inhumane and dangerous to the public.

@17: But, I have no desire to support the beer and pot habit of some listless 20 year old who wants to fight the man by harassing people on the Ave. Being lazy is not a political statement.


A-fucking-men! You have enough money to get a new tattoo but not enough money to feed your dog on a rope? It's called prioritizing, people. Lay off the ink and feed your pet.

seattle won't begin to get it's act together over thissue or any other issue until city council members are elected by district - until each elected officiial has a group of people they HAVE to answer to. no more of this everybody at large foolishness.

Greg Nickels is building a city for people who don't live here - they may not even exist. He's content to just lie on his back and let developers rub his tummy, so long as that gravy train keeps a-rollin' and they keep filling up his dish. He's betrayed you, Seattle.

@26
Hey Flea - Ummm... those condos that are priced outrageously... are selling. That means there are buyers, real buyers that actually exist oustide of the ethereal plane, buying. Freaky, no? And please explain the "gravy train" that Nickels receives on behalf of Big Labor... er, I meant to say developers.

@25:
"seattle won't...get it's act together...until city council members are elected by district - until each elected official has...people they HAVE to answer to."

What he said.

Districts wouldn't do a damn thing. Panhandling would still get ignored, districts or not.

I must admit, I went to Seattle and was sort of homeless there for a couple of weeks. I slept on the streets or rather mostly wandered around them for awhile until I found a youth hostile to crash at. I was wondering what all of those honeybuckets were for. I just used other public toilets. I don't think I actually begged for any money. I did give someone $20 once. But I hadn't yet run out of money. I was there, because I sort of fell off my medication. I was on the wrong stuff and then I quit taking everything, so yah, I was completely psychotic. Sometimes happens when you have schizophrenia. Aside from pretty much being invisible while I was "homeless" it wasn't a horrible experience, but I was mostly lucky that I didn't get killed or raped or mugged or something. It was one of the weirdest experiences of my life...being up there and wandering around. Not rushing to go anywhere, just sitting around in places or wandering around. So, yah, I guess I should say that not everyone who is homeless panhandles or shits in the street. Is that my point? I have no idea. I just don't think that being homeless should make you a criminal and panhandling shouldn't be a crime. Aren't the jails full already? Or giving fines to homeless people? That makes a lot of sense. They already don't have money, so now the city wants money from them? Seriously. The city should work to have more programs to take care of the homeless instead of finding ways to fine them. Anyway, thanks Seattle, you were a great place to be while crazy and homeless...well, for the most part. And @16: yes, I live in my parents' garage, but that doesn't mean I can't deal with real life. I like living in my parents' garage. In fact, I get nice perks, like my mom just made me a smoothie. I have to go get it. Bye!

People, people. Jimbo is the new name for an old troll who used to post exactly the same rants under the name "Condo Owner." I have no idea if he's a condo owner or not (and, hmm, he resurfaced at the same time that Issur, formerly used to post under a name I can't recall, has, supporting my theory that they're the same individual - and probably the same person as Charles Mudede nemesis "Student" aka "Ignorant Gay Cracker") but he writes this stuff to get exactly what you're giving.

#31
Duly Noted.
No more troll-y snacks from me.

Thanks Matt.

@32: haha...troll-y snacks...very funny.