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Hah, I'm from NC . . . I take it you're not anywhere in the Triangle. Hope you've got a good reason to be there; I jumped ship first chance I got and never looked back.

Posted by shub-negrorath | August 7, 2007 8:21 PM

i was in the research triangle this weekend. very liberal. almost annoyingly so. also, lots of cute guys to fuck. and the cigarettes and coke are cheap.

Posted by konstantConsumer | August 7, 2007 8:25 PM

Just have a Bojangle's biscuit and enjoy your suth'in experience. And the biscuit.

Posted by No-Wheels | August 7, 2007 10:49 PM

american by birth, southern by the GRACE OF GOD!

Posted by tiffstain | August 8, 2007 12:00 AM

When Dan Savage wrote this in Oct. 2002 he was saying that the death of children in the Iraq war was acceptable.

\"War may be bad for children and other living things, but there are times when peace is worse for children and other living things, and this is one of those times. Saying no to war in Iraq means saying yes to the continued oppression of the Iraqi people.\\\"

So why don\\\'t we apportion Dan Savage his fair share of the carnage in Iraq? Let\\\'s arbitrarily assign him responsibility for the death of, say, an eight year old Iraqi girl. That sounds about right doesn\\\'t it? That still leaves 649,999 dead Iraqis to be apportioned out to Bush and the neo-cons and other war supporters.

Posted by DW | August 8, 2007 12:09 AM

You see alot of those "Calvin" peeing-on-PETA window stickers in MO too. Really clever...

Posted by Mike in MO | August 8, 2007 5:54 AM

im from NC as well, and as much as i hate it (my artwork has been reemed by plenty southern baptists, and yeah, it's hot as fuck) theres just as many gay, bush haters down here as in any other state, sorry you didn't get a chance to see the whole spectrum. I'm just saying, don't write us all off just yet, despite the fact that i see confederate flags on rear windows all too often, some of us do have some decency and common sense left.
Not all of us hang out in walmart parking lots and go mud running for fun.

(god i need to move)

Posted by Amy | August 8, 2007 6:08 AM

I'd like to get one of those calvin's peeing on a cross, or maybe one where he's praying to PETA

Posted by annoying stickers | August 8, 2007 6:19 AM

It wuz not de "Civil War", it wuz "The War fer Southern Independence".

Posted by Joe-Bob | August 8, 2007 6:20 AM

No, no, no Joe-Bob @9 it is "The War of Northern Aggression".

My first duty station was Charleston, SC; not the asshole of America (that honor belongs to Arkansas), but definitely the taint.

Posted by LT L | August 8, 2007 6:42 AM

Wow, thank you for exposing the hideous truth that there are regions that are DIFFERENT than the good old Pacific Northwest, where we are enlightened poiticaly, socialy and liberally!
Obviously these other regions have nothiing to ofer us in terms of any positive attributes. I once heard that the South claims som ekind of interesting history with real Black peopl ? Or music? Or spome kind o food? Or funny story tellers or seomthing? Anyway these rumors of having a specific "culture" that is "regional" obvioul are all a load of lutefisk, and the Paciic Northwest styl of humor, music, food, and culture is the Best because we are the Nicest People in the World (except of course when we discuss other peoples who do not have the wisdom to move here, too!)
And of course none of the little old NC cultural attributes mentioned could be foun here in our region, because everyone from Cle Elum to Issaquah to Capitol Hill is exactly the same and just like everyone who reads the Stranger!
We LOVE PETA and we woul dNEVER MAKE FUN of it - that's not nice! In fact, allhumor is NOT NICE, that's why our form of humor (nonexistent) is the best!

And special points to making fun of the South. Yucky, yucky South, totally worthless! Certainly glad that here in the Pacific Northwest we NEVER We were nice! Just ask around down in Tacoma how they dealt with the chinks, er Chinese !
So thank you for touting our own horn again, in a nice, subliminal, understaed, inferential kind of way, just our style!
Doubtless this is due to our Skandi heritage, everyon knows the Vikings NEVER EVER did anything wrong to anyone esp. those 20,000 Irish gals they offered to "mary" and give an expense paid lifelong trip to Iceland!
One o the best things about being from HERE is it is so fun to assert our superioritiy over everyon else who is from SOMEWHERE ELSE in your understaed kind o way which is sooooooo respectful.
Chauvinistically yours,

Posted by Lars Nativson | August 8, 2007 6:47 AM


Yeah, pretty much.

Posted by Judah | August 8, 2007 6:57 AM

Oh, pull the stick out @11. The south just plain outright sucks, no matter how "great" the cooking is (and that all depends on how dependent you are on fatty, too sweet foods)

Posted by Stomp the south | August 8, 2007 7:07 AM

Az a native NC'inian of 2 score + 10, I can measure our progress as human beings by looking back (now in shock) of how far we have come. The sixties were a racial horror, absorbed and accepted by this impressionable soul like the Starbucks on every corner is now. Tobacco was king, my school was white, the buses were segregated, two water fountains in public places was the norm! I call where we are now as progress, not completed, but progress.

Posted by Joe-Bob | August 8, 2007 7:19 AM

Amy @ 7: god i need to move

Me too.

Posted by Mike in MO | August 8, 2007 7:45 AM

Really depends where in NC you are...

Lots of rug-munching hippie dykes in Asheville. Lots of lefty, lib-lab Dems in the Triangle (hey, it's not called the berkeley of the south for nothing), and a thoroughly Democratic state government.

Posted by Jonathan | August 8, 2007 7:50 AM

The pictures could be eastern Washington. All states have red counties and blue cities, don't they? It's been pointed out already that the Research Triangle is in N.C. N.C. is also home to John Edwards, who is among the more liberal of the Democratic candidates.

Posted by duncan | August 8, 2007 8:19 AM

Oh give it a break Lars @11. There are wonderful things about the south, but the horrors far outweigh them. It's easy to get on your high horse when you've never lived there (lived, as in house/apartment, not visited. It all looks good in the short term).

Posted by LT L | August 8, 2007 9:31 AM

@7 (god i need to move)

Oh, Jesus, take me with you!

@10/18 I've lived here (and elsewhere in the state) for ten years, and I guess Charleston's probably really nice if you're rich enough to own a home on the Battery and are a fan of Thomas Kinkade galleries and restored plantation gardens. The place seems to come across as really charming to most visitors.

Posted by Darcy | August 8, 2007 10:43 AM

look, if hating peta makes you evil then im one evil motherfucker.

peta is to animal rights as nazism is to socialism.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | August 8, 2007 10:57 AM

#20: Why? Because the Nazis were big proponents of nonviolent demonstration? Because the most controversial thing the Nazis did was use nude models in ads? Because you don't know the difference between PETA and nutballs who run around setting fire to research labs?

Posted by jamier | August 8, 2007 11:24 AM

wow...the triangle is the "berkeley of the south"? HA! balls, so it's not the TRIAD? alas the poor Triad, always hoping for some respect! Greensboro, Winston Salem and...HIGH POINT! eep. hmmm...I do understand there is a new NEW jersey brewing down there...the Apex/Cary "suburb"...which garners (PUN intended) an even bigger eep! Still, after living here for what seems like a billion years without a good summer sweatin', I miss the South...tho' now it's all strip malls, highways, Wal-Mart and filled with fast food franchises.

Posted by nipper | August 8, 2007 11:26 AM

No, because the Nazis gave socialism a bad name, and because PETA does the same for animal rights.

they take something and run with it do ridiculous levels.

im sorry you think PETA is all good and no bad. but that also makes you a hack.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | August 8, 2007 12:44 PM

No, because the Nazis gave socialism a bad name, and because PETA does the same for animal rights.

they take something and run with it do ridiculous levels.

im sorry you think PETA is all good and no bad. but that also makes you a hack.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | August 8, 2007 12:44 PM

It's long been a fantasy of mine to buy one of those Pissing Calvin stickers and place it on some jerk's SUV next to their Calvin Praying In Front of a Cross sticker.

Posted by Baxter | August 8, 2007 12:47 PM

oh god, but the cigarettes are SO CHEAP.

Posted by josh bomb | August 8, 2007 1:07 PM

Mike @15 and Darcy @ 19
we should get an apartment in a state that has outlawed humidity (take that science)

i was an art student at ECU
(art building at ECU = liberal capital of Eastern NC)

can we stop asserting that NC as a whole is a bunch of war loving rednecks who don't have a mind of our own and don't keep up with national news? (to those of you who are)

every village had it's idiot and i know stereotypes are a real time saver (!onion!) but come on, we're only 1/50 of the problem

Posted by amy | August 8, 2007 1:11 PM

You think NC is bad? Try SC.... if you knew there was a difference. Most people don't. NC is more liberal. At any rate, rednecks of WA state are far more scary to me than the rednecks of the south... but maybe that's cause i'm from the south. whatever. let's just say when i drive through certain parts of this great pacific northwest i'm a little paranoid about my anti-bush and anti-war bumper stickers......

Posted by scout | August 8, 2007 7:26 PM

Agree with Amy. I am originally from Mass yet lived in the Triangle for 24 years before moving to Honolulu. I have never lived/visited in any US state/territory where I could be fully out as a gay atheist without being the object of derision or worse yet fearing for my safety. Small mindedness and fear of "other" appears to be a universal thing in our culture. If you head out of any supposedly liberal urban area you immediately run headlong into backwardness. And wasn't Lars being sarcastic?

Posted by Geof | August 16, 2007 4:44 PM

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