Slog - Comments on Notes on Black Ideology: Part One http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology There is no innocence. What we see and read everyday is the result of system of power relations. Because the ideological system is meant to reproduce these relations of power--relations between those who express power and those who are oppressed by it--every belief must be confronted, first, with the question: Why does such and such a person believe such and such a thing? What is it about them (their background, social standing) that makes them believe this instead of that? An example: In a new movie by called What Black Men Think, several people are asked: "Are there more black... Copyright 2008 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:15:32 -0800 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:15:27 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Judah So, I think this is implied by part of your statement (it's hard to tell because your slog writing is so fucking lazy), but you do know that part of the reason people believe there are more black men in prison than in college has to do with popular antagonism towards the racism of the criminal justice system -- right? Believing that our government spends more on prisons than it does on schools doesn't necessarily imply anything negative about prisoners or school children.

]]> Judah http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783901 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783901 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:46:17 -0800 Comment by Mariana I saw an interview with Morton. The "more Black males in jail than in college" stat is so often quoted because the person/s responsible for that research looked at Black males between the ages on eighteen and FIFTY FIVE. With any race, more non-college age people (ie ages 25-55) will be in jail than in college. Thank you Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, for being the primary perpetrators pushing that incorrect stat. Way to "uplift the race"

]]> Mariana http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783906 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783906 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:50:05 -0800 Comment by fnarf Sharpton, Jackson, et al. are in fact PART of the power structure that provides the oppression they need to become necessary. A certain level of outrage must be maintained, in order to keep their support alive from underneath, while it is also maintained from above.

This role was set for them as an alternative to actual power. Blacks were expected to address power through the auspices of organizations like the NAACP (founded in 1909). This is still the most popularly-understood meaning of the phrase "black political leaders" today.

But real black political leaders are, you know, POLITICAL LEADERS -- Ron Sims, Larry Gossett, Barack Obama. And the real power in the black community is with them, and with business CEOs and the like, not with unelected intermediaries. Unfortunately, the real seat of black power gets no play in the media, since it is only the old way of thinking -- the NAACP, for instance -- that the media understands.

]]> fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783921 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783921 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:07:48 -0800 Comment by tsm "So why does the bulk of this society want to believe what is not true over what is true?"

That was pretty clever, Charles, how you made the subtle logical leap from "believe" to "want to believe".

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783925 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783925 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:12:29 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe I wish you were in jail.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783947 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783947 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:27:47 -0800 Comment by Big Sven Goddamn it Chuck, I...

Oh wait, for once I agree with everything you said. Never mind. Carry on.

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783967 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783967 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:40:51 -0800 Comment by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me "...864,000 black men were in college..."

Wow, that's a lot of football & basketball scholarships...

]]> You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783980 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783980 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:45:49 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe @7

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW!!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!!!

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNNNNNNN!!!

That was racist. You're an asshole.

But I laughed. I am an asshole.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783998 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c783998 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:55:57 -0800 Comment by mr.ryan (@7)

It is interesting to me that a few here try to use the insulting method of calling somebody by their non-preferred name -- Chaz, Chuck, etc. in order to undercut them.

Is this intentional? If so... why are you such an ass?

]]> mr.ryan http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784020 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784020 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:09:05 -0800 Comment by Mr. Poe @9

I think you meant #6.

As for 'being such an ass': It's okay. Charles laughing at us as we speak. I truly believe that he gets the same amount of enjoyment out of our replies as we do with his posts. It's like a relationship, you know, the one where one of the partners is beating the other partner, but they both find it funny? Yeah. That one.

]]> Mr. Poe http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784027 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784027 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:13:25 -0800 Comment by CG @2 and others: Jackson and Sharpton are easy (and fair enough) targets here, but they're not alone. For example, I've heard this claim as an argument for crack/coke sentencing parity and full drug legalization. "Facts" like this often go unchallenged in social science departments everywhere.

]]> CG http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784042 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784042 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:29:13 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave I call him chaz cause its a slant rhyme with ass

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784058 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784058 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:36:48 -0800 Comment by Big Sven I call him Chuck because I detect an air of snooty academic pretentiousness in his posts, (which usually annoy the fuck out of me) and I think calling him "Chuck" acts as a counterpoint to that snootiness because most snooty permanent-grad-student commies academics like Charles don't use names like "Chuck."

It's far less severe than some of the bile aimed at posters around here, so I don't really see it as being an "ass."

]]> Big Sven http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784081 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784081 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:55:35 -0800 Comment by mr.ryan (@10) thanks Mr. Poe, ya - meant 6

And Gotcha, #13 - thanks for the reply

]]> mr.ryan http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784089 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784089 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:04:13 -0800 Comment by mj I kind of wonder if Charles does find it so amusing. If itīs all an inside joke God itīs annoying!
Judah, if Charles is so lazy why do you always read what he writes and often comment on it?
Isn't that what a good writer does? He writes to provoke a response from the reader and you respond. Weird!

I thought this was a great post. Thank you Charles.


]]> mj http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784141 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784141 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:56:34 -0800 Comment by Bellevue Ave mj, by your standards ann coulter and dinesh desouza would be great writers. being a loony polemic doesn't make a good writer, even if you agree with them.

]]> Bellevue Ave http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784191 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784191 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:50:29 -0800 Comment by college student If someone asked me the jail/college question, I would immediately assume that they were liberals about to teach a little lesson about racism in American society, and so I would assume that the answer was "jail." No one asks a question like that unless they have an agenda they want to push (as this Slog post shows).

]]> college student http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784296 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784296 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:44:52 -0800 Comment by AJAX more pity party orgy for the blackman which demands that the guilted whites of the world fall down and grovel before mr and mrs blackman begging for forgiveness and lapping up their guilt baptism as mr blackman pisses on whitey's head and mrs blackman smugly smirks

now dosen't it feel good to be a guilty whiteman you dumb stupid whitesheep

bend over whitey and take it up the ass again deny your race and culture and embrace everything black. learn to talk black, learn to walk black, learn to speak black

because the black race is the superior culture and humanitys salvation

excuse me while i vomit

]]> AJAX http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784333 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784333 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:23:57 -0800 Comment by mj @18 You are an idiot!

]]> mj http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784363 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/08/always_ideology#c784363 Arts Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:15:27 -0800