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I guess that is why we have two newspapers.

The P-I has since changed it's headline to read "Man shot near East Precinct". Not that anyone knows what that means.

Posted by yo | July 25, 2007 11:47 AM

Am I the only one waiting to hear some cocky remark that "If you want to live in a real city you have to have violence with your night life ect?"

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | July 25, 2007 11:52 AM

ECT = Electro-Convulsive Therapy, which is probably not what you mean.

ETC = Et Cetera, or "and so on", which is probably what you do mean.

Posted by grammar police | July 25, 2007 12:14 PM

Grammer Police, are you listening to NPR right now? They just started a show on ECT on Talk of the Nation. Or Maybe Cato is.

Posted by jones | July 25, 2007 12:23 PM

Seriously, have you seen all the guys with guns hanging around that place at all hours of the day and night?

Posted by flamingbanjo | July 25, 2007 12:34 PM

If you want to live in a real city you have to have violence with your night life. Etc.

Specifically, you have to have violence with your life. Period.


Rather than displaying our superior virture by moaning about violence, why not figure out if we actualy have more of it than similar cities, and if so, what to do about it?

More cops? Fewer cops spending time planting drugs on citizens? Lots of corrective action can be discussed. But the attempt to blame violence on nightlife is dumb. If violence is concentrated anywhere specific -- near nightlife or any other venue like ATMs or schools or the corner store -- the cops should learn this and get out there on the street and stop the violence.

And yes we will never be totally successful and some shootings will always be near a bar because bars are in crowded districts and that's where people are.


When Tom Wales got shot on QA Hill, no one said "let's shut down all these fine Craftsman houses....."

Posted by Cincinatus | July 25, 2007 12:34 PM

BTW, not a grammar error, a typo error, please make a note of it.

@ Cincinatus, I was just waiting for your delightful response (or one similar to it). Hell, in my previous posting on this subject posted below in Slog I am all for the violence. If it frees up traffic in anyway: I am all for it!

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger | July 25, 2007 12:42 PM

I guess you'd actually have to read the article to see that the victim wasn't shot by the police station, he was just found there. He was shot near the Satellite.

Do headline writers (and Stranger staff) ever bother to read the articles before writing their stuff?

Posted by elrider | July 25, 2007 1:34 PM

The Satellite is on the other side of the block of the police station, hence, by the police station.

Posted by but... | July 25, 2007 1:37 PM

Regardless, the point is that:

a) This town has crappy cops reporters;
b) This town's dailies have lazy copy editors;
c) The urge to "get online" has spurred all of the above to post a story before the facts are even close to being out. Then, when the monkeys in broadcast news pick up the scraps and turn them into a "story collage," everything goes to hell.

Hooray for the nation's journalism schools.

Posted by horatiosanzserif | July 25, 2007 1:54 PM

Gawd, it was probably some thugs attracted to the Sugar crowd driving by and yelling crap at people on the street.

Posted by i love satellite | July 25, 2007 2:51 PM

Last week when the list of "problem nightclubs" came out, many of the SLOG readers seemed to say, "That's OK.. Those are douchebag clubs anyway. Close 'em down."

Others made the point that after they shut down Venom, Tabella, Belltown Billiards, J&M, etc.. They will likely come after places that Slog readers DO like.

I hope the reporting of this opens a few more eyes.

Posted by Clint | July 25, 2007 3:35 PM

One question: Have we always had this many shootings or are they just better reported? I've lived on Captiol Hill for 10 years and have never known it to have shootings and now it seems like there's one every week. What the hell is going on? Who are the bad apples that are permeating the neighborhood?

Posted by hey | July 25, 2007 3:44 PM

I hear it's all those potted plants outside the police station that make them such dangerous criminals.

And, with those sirens, it's time to start enforcing the noise limits too ...

Posted by Will in Seattle | July 25, 2007 4:04 PM

@12 What's your point? I didn't read anything in the article about Satellite being involved in any way. What exactly should our eyes be open to?

@ Will - Everyone knows it's not the pots that make it dangerous, it's the type of plants in the pots. Just can't have any of those hip hop plants.

Posted by elrider | July 25, 2007 4:18 PM

"Man Shot Outside of Capitol Hill nightclub", when I think we would all agree the Satellite probably isn't a "Nightclub".

If you read the details about the most recent Belltown shooting, you will find that Tabella wasn't involved either - they actually acted very responsibly.

The point is simply that the there are links in the media to violence and nightclubs and that just because you see a list of Belltown clubs/bars that you don't frequent and it makes you breathe a sigh of relief, it could very well be a false sense of security you are feeling and they can just as easily come after a place you DO like next.

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