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<description>Not true, as accounts of Pat Tillman&apos;s final moments make clear. As bullets flew above their heads, the young soldier at Pat Tillman&apos;s side started praying. &quot;I thought I was praying to myself, but I guess he heard me,&quot; Sgt. Bryan O&apos;Neal recalled in an interview Saturday with The Associated Press. &quot;He said something like, &apos;Hey, O&apos;Neal, why are you praying? God can&apos;t help us now.&quot;&apos; Awkwardly for my side, O&apos;Neal lived and non-believing Tillman died. Awkwardly for the Pentagon and the Bush White House, evidence continues to mount that Tillman may have been murdered. Via Sullivan....</description>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The way those words go...I don't know. I guess <i>murdered</i>  was the last fucking thing I was expecting to read. So I laughed.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772091</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:30:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by once more...with feeling</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Either way, it's so sad.</p>]]></description>
<author>once more...with feeling</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772094</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:36:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. Very much so.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772097</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:41:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jude Fawley</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It's all sad.</p>]]></description>
<author>Jude Fawley</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772100</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:47:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by It&apos;s Mark Mitchell</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Except for the part where God murders Tillman.  That's still funny.</p>]]></description>
<author>It&apos;s Mark Mitchell</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772101</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 08:53:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by ivan</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>In other news, evidence continues to mount that the moon *might* be made of green cheese.</p>

<p>Come on, Dan, you're better than that. Why not say *speculation* continues to mount that Tillman may have been murdered?</p>]]></description>
<author>ivan</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772103</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:04:09 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cato the Younger Younger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Murder from the highest levels too.  Bush has put exective privilage on the investigation of Tillman's death... </p>]]></description>
<author>Cato the Younger Younger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772105</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:21:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Gitai</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@6 No, it's not speculation, it's mounting forensic evidence, such as the entry wounds from the American bullets that killed him.</p>]]></description>
<author>Gitai</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772107</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:30:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by j</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There's nothing in the quote itself to suggest that Tillman was an atheist. He doesn't say there is no God, merely that no Divine Help would be forthcoming...</p>]]></description>
<author>j</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772111</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772111</guid>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:37:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DOUG.</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>If Tillman had lived, he'd probably be sitting in Congress right now as an anti-war Democrat. Imagine the embarassment...</p>]]></description>
<author>DOUG.</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772119</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772119</guid>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:53:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by aarons</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@9 tillman was an open atheist in life this is very clearly documented in any truthful report on his life.  </p>]]></description>
<author>aarons</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772120</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772120</guid>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:53:47 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@9,</p>

<p>I've heard from many sources, other than this one, that Tillman was an atheist.</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772122</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772122</guid>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:54:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Original Andrew</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>j @ 9,</p>

<p>Pat Tillman's atheism is very well known. You might Google up that huge profile that was published in Sports Illustrated awhile back about who he was and the investigations (5 now, and counting) into his death. </p>

<p>Some military asshole actually blamed the Tillman family for causing this ruckus because they're atheists and couldn't just say their son is with Jeebus now like they're supposed to.</p>]]></description>
<author>Original Andrew</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772158</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:23:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Original Andrew</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Oh, it just keeps getting worse. Last week, the media reported that Tillman's final words to the grunt (O'Neal) he was under fire with were something along the lines of "God's not going to help you, stop praying you sniveling..." but O'Neal himself disputes that: </p>

<p>"He never would have called me 'sniveling,"' O'Neal said. "I don't remember ever speaking to this chaplain, and I find this characterization of Pat really upsetting. He never once degraded me. He's the only person I ever worked for who didn't degrade anyone. He wasn't that sort of person."</p>

<p>I've followed Pat Tillman's life and death closely and this whole situation is just so sick. He truly was an exceptional person and everything that's happened since the day he was killed has just been appalling. Now it appears there were other soldiers there when Pat was killed that no one "remembered" previously.</p>

<p>Apparently, you have to be a compulsive liar to be in the US military these days. Someone's lying, but who and for frak's sake, why?</p>]]></description>
<author>Original Andrew</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772184</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:04:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Aexia</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Rich Tillman at his brother's funeral:</p>

<p>"Thanks Pat. I didn't write shit because I'm not a writer. I'm not just going to sit her and break down on you. But thanks for coming. Pat's a fucking champion and always will be. Just make no mistake, he'd want me to say this: he's not with God. He's fucking dead. He's not religious. So thanks for your thoughts, but he's fucking dead."</p>]]></description>
<author>Aexia</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772202</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:55:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Cato the Younger Younger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@15, loved your post.  That is why I think athiests value life more than the religous folks (sorry but my opinion).  Since there is no afterlife you have to make the best of this life and also VALUE this life.  This life is all you get, there is nothing afterwards.  You die end of game.  No inserting additional quarters, that is all.  Fin! </p>]]></description>
<author>Cato the Younger Younger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772237</link>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:53:00 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by laterite</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>In the SI article:</p>

<p>"A chaplain who debriefed the entire unit days after Tillman's death later described this exchange to investigators conducting a criminal probe of the incident."</p>

<p>Do chaplains normally debrief squads and platoons after an incident where a soldier dies? That doesn't seem right to me.</p>]]></description>
<author>laterite</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772336</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772336</guid>
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<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:30:52 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by P</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Chaplains typically debrief after any death in a unit.  It is a sad thing but men die in combat every day, and Pat Tillman isn't the only one killed by friendly fire.   <br />
  The "he was murdered" crowd need to take a breather.  The fact that Tillman was hit multiple times isn't suprising since he was engaged with machine guns.  And those who respond they were rifle rounds don't realize the M249 uses the same bullet as the M4.  For a Ranger Company to have fragged him is absolutely ridiculous.</p>]]></description>
<author>P</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772470</link>
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<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:36:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Lee Gibson</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I read the article, but totally failed to catch where there was evidence of murder.</p>

<p>Fratricide?  Yes.  That's not necessarily murder.</p>]]></description>
<author>Lee Gibson</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772546</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772546</guid>
<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:08:31 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by DaBunny</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@18 & 19,</p>

<p>He was shot multiple times, and the grouping suggests it was from moderately close range (i.e. close enough to tell he was a friendly). That's not much evidence, but combined with the deliberate coverup of other evidence it is suggestive.</p>

<p>There's also speculation (though no hard evidence that I know of) that there was another unit in the area, for whatever that's worth.</p>]]></description>
<author>DaBunny</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772606</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c772606</guid>
<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:25:47 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Laurelgardner</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>You know, there is actually a difference between saying "God can't help us" and being a full-blown atheist. </p>

<p>I swear, atheists are like newly-uncloseted queers - they want to see others like them everywhere. </p>]]></description>
<author>Laurelgardner</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c773410</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c773410</guid>
<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:45:18 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Kat</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Rumsfeld apologized today to Tillman's family...CNN seems as shocked as I am.</p>]]></description>
<author>Kat</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c773416</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c773416</guid>
<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:58:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by M&apos;thew</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>You mean to say that a supreme being that created everything we know (and more) can not (i.e. is not able to, or willing to, or allowed to) help a human being in distress, whatever kind of distress that might be?<br />
I think that means that that supreme being does not exist. There's evidence of that all around you, if you're just willing to see it.</p>]]></description>
<author>M&apos;thew</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c773418</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/there_are_no_atheists_in_foxholes#c773418</guid>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 07:59:31 -0800</pubDate>
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