Comments on The Spin at SPD

The spin at Slog: "beating"???

Damn... they actually printed/emailed out something that rant-filled? Good lord.

With the Patterson case, the Alley-Barnes case and those undercover yahoos engaging in a high-speed chase, these cops would be wise to shut their traps for a little while. Too many dicks on the SPD.

The Guild has too much goddamned power, and they use it in all the wrong ways. If they were pushing for more benefits, better safety precautions, and the like, that's one thing, but it just makes me sick that they work so damn hard to protect the very few dirty cops that give everyone else a bad name. Shit, it's almost enough to make me wish someone would go PATCO on their asses.

Young Tietjen looks like the kind of Eddie Haskell motherfucker that would be mean as hell to potential Columbine kids in junior high. Smug face says "Go ahead. Shoot me. I dare ya."
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Wow!
O'Neil has stated the facts as they stand: lying, abusive, evidence planting, ball twisting, taser happy cops are immune from anything the OPA, the City Council, or citizens of Seattle can do. And he makes a great case as to why so many people are questioning our SPD culture as his commments make it clear that Sgt. O'Neil and his ilk don't work for the city but are a law unto themselves.
As to anymore "kibbles," let's face it SPD members are paid well (47K to start-67K in 6 years excluding overtime). Over half of the SPD operational budget goes to administration and traffic & parking enforcement. That's plenty of "kibbles."

A few points to consider...

@6) $47-67k per year is not a good salary in a town like Seattle, where a home costs upwards of $400k. That's more a comment on the ridiculous real estate prices in Seattle, but it needs pointing out that "good" salaries are not that good in Seattle.

@4) Welcome to the reality of contemporary unions - and I say that as a union member, and a strong supporter of organized labor.

Too often, unions protect bad members, and work for benefit increases only for the older members, because they are the only ones that tend to be active in the upper echelons of the unions. The rank and file doesn't want to get involved.

Unfortunately, that's the greatest threat to the future of the unions. It's not the corporations or the GOP - although they are plenty evil - it's the members themselves.

RON PAUL supports --

-- legalizing medicinal marijuana
-- legalizing industrial hemp
-- small government
-- no more Iraq war
-- no more pre-emptive war
-- abolishing the IRS
-- getting rid of the Federal Reserve
-- efficient use of taxpayer money
-- reduced inflation of the US dollar
-- I'm just getting started here people...

By Seattle standards, you would have to a complete nutcase to argue against Ron Paul. Which means most of the nutcases posting anti-Ron Paul material on this blog are not from Seattle.

If you are worried about not having the IRS or Federal Reserve anymore, all you need to know is that 100% of the income tax you pay out of your paycheck gets pocketed as pure profit by the private international bankers who comprise the "Federal" Reserve. None of it goes toward American services or infrastructure -- NOT ONE PENNY.

RON PAUL supports --

-- legalizing medicinal marijuana
-- legalizing industrial hemp
-- small government
-- no more Iraq war
-- no more pre-emptive war
-- abolishing the IRS
-- getting rid of the Federal Reserve
-- efficient use of taxpayer money
-- reduced inflation of the US dollar
-- I'm just getting started here people...

If you are worried about not having the IRS or Federal Reserve anymore, all you need to know is that 100% of the income tax you pay out of your paycheck gets pocketed as pure profit by the private international bankers who comprise the "Federal" Reserve. None of it goes toward American services or infrastructure -- NOT ONE PENNY.

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Yes, beating. Mr. Patterson claimed that Officer Neubert repeatedly hit him in the face while he was handcuffed at the West Precinct. That's called a beating where I'm from.

@8 Ron Paul also supports DADT, is anti-Choice, and is pro-gold standard. And don't give me this bullshit about the IRS and the Federal Reserve. Save it for the tinfoil hat crowd.

This is rich. It's a kind of drama I haven't seen since I used to watch novelas on Univision when I was unemployed. This type of spin (the SPOG piece) is just humorous, that's all. Humorous. And keep Lyndon La...I mean, Ron Paul out of it.

Gitai wrote:

don't give me this bullshit about the IRS and the Federal Reserve.

I've heard some seemingly-crazy things about the IRS and the Federal Reserve lately, but I haven't found the time to research it. What, specifically, about Jah's comments are you referring to as bullshit?

jonah - Have any of the reviewers (OPA, OPARB, Ms. Pflaumer, Mr. Frederick) found any substantiation for the use of force accusation?

At this point, it's inflammatory window dressing ... spin.

Number one, the Federal Reserve Bank is run by a board of governors that's appointed by the president and confirmed by the Senate. Yes, the member banks are privately owned, but the 12 Federal Reserve Banks are not, and the "stock" in them that member banks own is not an actual ownership percentage, like private stock. That "stock" does pay dividends, a legally mandated 6% maximum, In addition to setting interest rates, one of their main purposes is to loan money to individual banks that haven't met their fractional reserve, the percentage of total deposits that must be maintained as cash. The dividends are considered compensation for the interest they don't make on those fractional reserves, and lemme tell you, it ain't a great return, since banks need to have around 10% of total deposits as cash reserves. That's a lot of money they're not making money on, since they can't loan it out. Mind you, it's good for us, because it's a safeguard against insolvency, and the '80s hold plenty of reminders about what happens when you deregulate banks.

Also, in 2003, the IRS collected nearly $2 trillion in taxes, half of which came from individual income taxes (only part of payroll taxes go directly to the federal budget through shenanigans like spending the Social Security surplus on government bonds). Spending for that year was $2.1 trillion (hello, budget deficit). That means that we had to borrow some money to pay for government functions that year, but we didn't borrow $2.1 trillion to pay for services or infrastructure. We borrowed $347 million. The shit this nut is talking about really is tinfoil hat conspiracy stories. Again, there are enough shenanigans that are real and that we know about, such as the Social Security surplus scam that's used to hide the true size of the deficit, to worry about crackpot theories.

Separated at birth?
Seattle Police Officer Michael Tietjen
Seattle cellist Joshua Roman