Several times I've biked the southern stretch of Rainier on my way around the south end of Lake WA, and it's not that bad, at least not during off traffic hours. After that, I head over to Seward Park and take Lake WA Blvd, which is pretty nice.
Bike lanes or no, you'll never catch me biking the north stretch of Rainier. It's sure death, just like Aurora and 23rd on Cap Hill. The master plan should really create a new bike route through the valley on smaller side streets.
How about this:
Buy a freaking car like the rest of the freaking world. A toy is not a form of transportation.
But that would be too practical and cost-effective, and wouldn't serve the political purpose of punishing those evil evil people who still need to drive to get from point A to point B (and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future).
Voluntary compliance works fine.
Why just look at how the auto industry has increased gas mileage under voluntary compliance.
Oh ... wait ... gas mileage went DOWN.
Erica, can you please explain how mini-marts are a bigger issue than bars? People don't generally show up sober and get drunk at mini-marts. They buy their booze and then leave. And I don't think they then drive up and down Rainier terrorizing cyclists while they are drinking. And if they are driving up or down Rainier to get TO a mini-mart to purchase booze, well then their destination doesn't have anything to do with the fact that they may or may not be drunk driving.
I'll start caring about bikers being in danger once they start following the laws of the road themselves. Daily I see them weaving in and out of traffic, running stop signs and stop lights and riding up onto the sidewalks then back into the street when it is convenient for them. If you would like to be considered a legitimate form of transportation then follow the same laws as the rest of us when on the road.
You're real big on "forcing people to change their behavior" when it suits you, I see.
Make you a deal. How about a $100 moving violation for every bicyclist who fails to stop at a stoplight or red signal, just like cars get? Is that the kind of coercion you favor? 'Cause I'm sure down with it.
"slowing traffic by adding or de-sychronizing signals, and changing land-use patterns to eliminate large car-oriented uses (like street-facing parking and multiple gas stations) on Rainier go unexplored."
Is your brain made of Cheez Whiz? With the S/T plan for the waterfront you support fewer stop lights (WashDot unfairly put in all those lights to make S/T not work, remember?) and in general you have supported light sychronizing and now you want people to drive further to find gas stopping at every light? That brain, maybe Swiss cheese - I can't wait for your reaction to the the first light rail bicycle accident - perhaps you'll advocate for 10 mph top speed except, of course, when you're on board.
@6 - don't even bother starting with that. The members of the Church of Critical Mass will now bombard you with their standard rationalizations as to why they are magically exempt from obeying clearly written laws about traffic lights and such (and yes, those laws DO apply to you as well, cyclists.)
Who says that Saint Erica doesn't drive when she isn't spouting off against the evils of cars? Check out the public record of her parking (and bicycling) tickets:
Ivan you idiot. Bicycles and Erica's cars and scooters are allowed to break all laws and rules because in the case of bikes they never hurt anyone and in case of ECB well she can do what she wants because she can do what she wants because...
Of course there are bicyclists that break traffic laws. There are also drivers and pedestrians that break them. Blaming the few bicyclists who are assholes for all bicycle injuries and fatalities is the mark of a fuckhead.
I own a car and a bicycle, both of which I love. I have been bike commuting in Seattle for 17 years, year round, rain or shine. However, as I get older, I take fewer chances and am less included to ride outside of my jaunt to and from work. I have stopped riding at night (drunks) or on certain arterials, such as Rainier.
Lucky for me, my commutes have been shorter each time I've switched jobs. And even luckier, I live north of the Ship Canal. For those of us in the North End, who are already taking bike-friendly routes like Dexter or the Burke-Gilman to get to work, the Bike Master Plan will make our happy-go-lucky bike lives even tonier, while those trying to get to and from the South End will have no relief, continuing to risk life and limb getting around by bicycle.
So keep watching out for those cars, ECB! They're not watching out for you.
ecce homo, good to see you back! I was worried you'd choked to death on your own bile while watching Nancy Grace at the Log Cabin Republicans meeting. (Btw, I thought ecce meant 'behold', not 'self-hating'.
Bike lanes are voluntary too, ECB, as I found out the hard way in Las Vegas: it didn't stop motorists from clipping bikes and using them as a glorified turn lane.
I don't know where you and the militant cyclists get the idea that roadside bike lanes will change anything culturally.
Hey whatever: Is YOUR brain made of Swiss cheese? The Stranger is not some kind of hivemind; just because others wrote about ST disparagingly before I was here does not mean every single opinion ever expressed in the Stranger is unanimous.
Hey ECB - S/T = Surface Transit that's why there was a reference to the WashDot study involving syncing the traffic lights on the AWB (Alaskan Way Boulevard ) - nothing had to do with the Stranger's past opinions about ST (Sound Transit).
I believe that roadside bike lanes have indeed "changed things culturally" in Seattle. Like Portland, as Seattle gets more roadside bike lanes, cars notice them, and drivers change the way they drive. That's my anecdotal impression, anyway. The lanes do not help bicyclists who wear dark clothing (and black helmets! what idiocy) and are erratic in traffic.
I think the lanes on Dexter are a good example. It has been around a long time, it has very high bike ridership, and most of the bicyclists on it behave themselves. Therefore, it feels pretty safe.
Here's how to make it work with no big cultural changes. Try LAW ENFORCEMENT. Change the laws to provide stiffer penalties like these:
$2,000 fine for failing to yield, failing to stop, or other moving violation, endagering a bicycle.
Automatic loss of license if you, a car, strike a bike or a pedestrian.
that's how thy do it in Europe. They have dramatically lower car-cyle or car-ped accident rates.
Recently Virginia imposed big 1K-3K fines for speeding and similar voilations. Everyone here, the powers that be said "oh that's terrible." Yup we don't really want to make cars obey the laws.....we just want then to have little teeny weeny fines so drivers can act like the one that killed that city council aide in West Seattle who had NUMEROUS prevous moving violations including MAKING A CYCLIST FALL OVER on
Interlaken blvd. or one of those windy olmsteady roads going down to LWB or something.
Nothing happened to that driving and that aide dude is dead.
Duh, yup of course cyclists have to obey the rules, too, and Erica never suggested otherwise so just shut up about that that's a big red herring. "I will only obey the law when all cyclists obey the law" is a STUPID and CHILDISH and BULLYING attitude that is total bull shit. You who took that attitude are a real piece of shit. "I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING LOGICAL OR SENSICAL SO I WILL THROW OUT SOME RED MEAT BULL FECES TO DISTRACT FROM THE EXCELLENT POINTS MY OPPONENT MAKES" is just the lowest form of rhetoric.
"I will not obey the laws against murder till everyone else does, too. There have to be zero murders for one 12 month period first, THEN I will decide that I, too, will obey the laws against murder."
You should go to hell for being either totally stupid, or totally immoral and opportunistic.
Whoa, "ECB" - that's a lot of tickets. What's your excuse?
The problem with the Virginia laws is that they are not related to the income of the violator. Twenty over is a little over $1050 while the $3000 fine is for DUI. The $900 for driving without a license seems very harsh depending on why the driver is without. It appears that the main motivation for raising the fines is to get more money for road projects.
The City Council staffer was not on a bike but rather a pedestrian - a group that should be protected even more than bikers. The very young and the old to very old are more likely to be peds. The driver had a terrible record and it would appear should never be allowed to drive.
Drivers and bikers should obey the law. The issue for many drivers is that bikers, by not following the law, cause the drivers anxiety and frustration which leads those drivers to act badly around those and subsequent bikers. Drivers should not drive in such a way to endanger bikers needlessly. There will always be some danger of two vehicles hitting each other when on or crossing the same roadway.
BTW ECB has in the past made the argument that bikes violating the law shouldn't be subject to the same enforcement as cars because of their relatively lighter weight aren't a danger.
All making it harder to drive on Rainier will do, is make Lake Wash Blvd and Seward Park Ave/Wilson more of a freeway than they already are.
The tricky part of adding bike lanes to Rainier Avenue South is that it mostly has a four-lane profile without parallel parking. Route 7 is an electric trolleybus and attract high ridership. Implenting a three-lane profile would slow Route 7 as each bus stop would become a bus trap, as the single through lane would have a continuous lane of traffic. It may be better to provide priority for bikes on another arterial.
The tough part of having a bike network, a freight network, and a transit network are the arterials where they overlap. SDOT will have difficulty providing "priority" to more than one mode at a time.
Route 7 is too important to slow down any further.
I agree eddiew,
If any changes should be made on Rainier, they should speed up and expand service for Route 7(and other buses). Most would be the opposite of ECB's suggestions. Remove most street parking(only Columbia and Hillman Cities really have enough space) and institute light synchronization with buses(change to green for buses). Both the lake route and MLKing Way after ST will be better for biking.
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