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Friday, July 27, 2007

Letter of the Day

posted by on July 27 at 9:52 AM

A conspiracy theory:

Good one, Stranger.

For months now someone calling himself “ecce homo” has been posting comments constantly. He’s your most dedicated troll, always on Slog, he’s rude, he’s obnoxious, and he’s positively obsessed with Dan Savage. And who else do we know that’s constantly on Slog, constantly posting, rude, obnoxious, and positively obsessed with Dan Savage?

Dan Savage.

Dan Savage is “ecce homo,” and “ecce homo” is Dan Savage. Want proof? Late last night Savage posted this comment to one of his own Slog posts:

Okay. I was at Pony tonight for Circus, and I thought I saw this guy—this girly boy or the boyly girl that’s tormenting me. But just as suddenly as he or she appeared, he or she was gone. Maybe I hallucinated him/her.

Posted by Dan Savage | July 26, 2007 11:54 PM

Nine minutes later “ecce homo” posted this comment:

How was the Glory hole, “Dad”?

Gonna write your next book on what an attentive and admirable parent you are?

Posted by ecce homo | July 27, 2007 12:05 AM

According to previous posts written by this “ecce homo” person, he’s a respectable, sober-minded, suburban gay dad with two children. And yet there he was, ready to pounce on Savage at midnight, minutes after Dan himself posted comment to an old Slog post written by Dan himself.

Usually when people engage in sock puppetry it’s to defend themselves or stroke their own ego. Leave it to Savage to create a sock puppet to beat himself up.

—Curt

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1

I wrote this letter.

Posted by Dan Savage | July 27, 2007 10:41 AM
2

"And who else do we know that’s constantly on Slog, constantly posting, rude, obnoxious, and positively obsessed with Dan Savage?"

Oof. Thought it was going to be me, for sure!

Posted by Mr. Poe | July 27, 2007 10:41 AM
3

Or, a simpler expanation could be that ecce is a disturbed, unemployed guy with no life who spends all his time refreshing the slog page and pretending he's respectable.

Posted by east coaster | July 27, 2007 10:45 AM
4

This is not a cow.

Posted by a cow | July 27, 2007 10:46 AM
5

possibly the funniest thing I've read today but that's what I get for reading political blogs on a slow work day.

Dan Savage sock puppetry self flagelation- snort, chortle

Posted by NELBOT | July 27, 2007 10:47 AM
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Ecce homo was up late is the conspiracy theory? That's a great basis...except that A) his kids could well be in bed by midnight, and B) if he's the same in person as he is online, his husband isn't going to mind him being at the computer instead of spending quality time.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised at Dan making a troll (though I can't imagine him putting in the time, to be honest) but I would hope if he did, it would be someone more articulate than Ecce.

Posted by Rebecca | July 27, 2007 10:48 AM
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@3

I'm convinced he's still in the closet, and still at home with his Conservative parents.

Posted by Mr. Poe | July 27, 2007 10:50 AM
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Naw, I don't buy it. "Kids" can refer to young and old children... a father can be on a computer, surfing the Internet at midnight while waiting up for the teenagers to get home.

Posted by Phenics | July 27, 2007 11:00 AM
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I don't think it's true, but if it is it's the funniest gag in a long time, and Dan should get the Andy Kaufman award for subversive humor.

Posted by Providence | July 27, 2007 11:01 AM
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I've thought most of the commenters on Slog, including myself, was Ecce at one time or another.

I'm not writing off that It's a some sort of gag quite yet, though.

If It's fake, that's pretty funny. If It's real, I think there's quite a line to slip-slap It with white gloves, then offer choice of flintlock pistols.

Posted by Lloyd Clydesdale | July 27, 2007 11:08 AM
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dan is not fucking ecce homo. he's a fucking CIA PLANT. i've gone over this. does no one listen to me? CIA! CIA! CIA!!!!!!!!!

Posted by adrian! | July 27, 2007 11:08 AM
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clever try but nope.. ecce homo ain't dan. ecce homo was mean and racist towards me. hurt my feelings he did.dan would never hurt me. we're friends. dan loves me. he always has. he always will. he just doesn't like me fat

Posted by reverend dr dj riz | July 27, 2007 11:10 AM
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ecce homo is NOT a suburban dad. he said in one of his posts that he lives next to a bar. in the city.


or maybe he tells so many lies he can't keep them straight. i vote for him being Mr. Mendacity.

Posted by scary tyler moore | July 27, 2007 11:27 AM
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He's a kite with no sticks and no string.

Posted by Lloyd Clydesdale | July 27, 2007 11:35 AM
15

its the Scientologists! get out of my head!!!

Posted by Special K | July 27, 2007 11:39 AM
16

My head hurts, I'm going back to work

Posted by OR Matt | July 27, 2007 11:49 AM
17

Isn't it odd that ecce has nothing to say on the subject....

Posted by arduous | July 27, 2007 11:52 AM
18


@17
you beat me to it...

Posted by come again | July 27, 2007 11:56 AM
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he’s a respectable, sober-minded, suburban gay dad with two children. And yet there he was, ready to pounce on Savage at midnight

Wow, other than the gay part, that pretty well describes me.

Posted by Mike of Renton | July 27, 2007 12:08 PM
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Why is it Ecce's posts doubled once Dan went on vacation? Why is it Ecce has yet to defend his dumb ass in this thread? Why is the sky blue?

Posted by Mr. Poe | July 27, 2007 12:16 PM
21

Why is what's his name suspiciously and uncharacteristically silent in this post's comments? Oh, and could Dan have learned the term Ecce etc. in Catholic school?

P.S. Nice try Adrian!!- Looks like you have been asked by Dan to put forward an absurd conspiracy theory in order to link it with the letter's theory, hoping the Slog readers will then categorize the two together as crazy. An old trick on which I CALL you!

Posted by Jude Fawley | July 27, 2007 1:00 PM
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Maybe Curt is ecce homo.

Posted by Darcy | July 27, 2007 1:15 PM
23

The letters in "ecce homo" can be rearranged to read... yes... "dan savage"!!! At last, PROOF.

Posted by Katelyn | July 27, 2007 1:16 PM
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the letters in "ecce homo" can be rearranged to read "dan savage"... ah HA! PROOF!

Posted by Katelyn | July 27, 2007 1:22 PM
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I am one of a kind, 100% original.

I am NOT Dan Savage, I have far too much self respect to be hanging out at a glory hole bar.

Yes we have 2 kids. We live in the city after living in the suburb. We bought Nickels crap about wanting to make the city better for families. Next thing you know, a bar opens up 10 feet from our townhouse.

And let me be perfectly clear. Just because none of you over privilidged, ipod listening, psudeo artists consumed with credit card debt can comprehend it, it is quite possible to be a gay pareent and not be a meth snorting boy toy who sucks cock in the bathroom at bars and works a real job.

If I was Dan Savage, I would have expanded his drag carrerr (remember the chickensoup brigade gala back in '94 Dan? The village people thought you were hot. I would have never had a child. After all, its hard to pay attention to your family when you like producing amatuer porn, posting endless ego-centric post about oneself, and delving deep into the genitals and disturbing sexual appetites of americas youth.

I would be so embarrased that I would just role over and smother myself. Every child deserves 2 dedicated parents (be they gay or strait). Not one parent, and another who never gave up the idea that he was a twenty something home hipster that hangs out in bars all the time.

Unless, of course, you think kids should be rasied with absent parents.

JM2C

The REAL ecce...

Posted by ecce homo | July 27, 2007 1:23 PM
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Also, Josh Feit, Erica, Bradley, Kiley, Annie Wagner... none of these people actually exist. They are all Dan sock puppets, and he actually writes all of Slog and the Stranger himself. This is just his own personal zine, and then when there's Stranger events, he hires actors to play the requisite writers to create the impression that they exist.

... how did I do? LOL.

Posted by Gomez | July 27, 2007 1:27 PM
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I am not Dan

I actually respect my children more than to hang out at bars all night. I tuck them in, read them stories, go to the park, play games, watch movies, etc...

I dont have a lot of time to fret over methed out boy toys. Then again I actally think that children need 2 parents. Not one parent who hangs out at glory holes all night and is obsessed with sleezy butt fucking stories. You see, children are not a pair of aldo shoes you let your friend borrow when they go out. Nor are they something that lends you credibility in the eyes of the strait world. If you are a parent, man up and be a parent. That means, exerting a positive influence and being a role model for your kids. Not a source of embarassment. I wonder what your kid will think in a few years when he realizes that his "dad" spent so much of his childhood obsessing about santorum, and giving republicans the flu.

If I was dad, I would have stuck to his drag career. Remember the chicken soup gala in 94 dan? The villige people thought you were hot. Back then, being a gay urban cocksucker was cool. Now you are playing out your youth at the expense of your children.

As for my life, my kids are in bed at a decent hour. Whose watching YOURS tonight? A nieghbor? A friend? Sticking your SO with kid duty while you go out AGAIN? Spare me.


The REAL ecce homo.

Posted by ecce homo | July 27, 2007 1:35 PM
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@ #25: Now I'm hoping you *are* Savage, because this would border on performance art.

Posted by Matt Fuckin' Hickey | July 27, 2007 1:36 PM
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No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No No!

DONNIE DAVIES is "Ecce Homo".

Adrian Ryan is "Donnie Davies".

And Fred Schneider is "Adrian Ryan"!

...*and* "Jello Biafra"!

THUR-PRIZE!


Posted by matthew fisher wilder | July 27, 2007 1:51 PM
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hey ecce dumbfuck! the village people played care to dance in '95, not '94. know, because i was there and shook felipe rose's (the indian) hand.

You ARE mendacious!!!

Posted by scary tyler moore | July 27, 2007 1:52 PM
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@ 27

uhm ecce ... that's Dan's job!!! It's his job to be an overly sexed socialite to hang out in bars, do PR, and amp up sex. That's how he makes his living, period. He not only has to sell his news paper, he has to sell himself. This is his product the news paper, the column AND eggocentric dan savage, and overtly sexual hedonistic as it can be ... it's what he does to support HIS family. Dare I say he's the rush limba for sexual liberation! He's just damn lucky that he gets a fun a job, and perhaps more time with his family than some construction worker or some chef that works a zillion hours in overtime to save up and have decent family vacation.

So take that and mix it up with your xa***nax and coffee in the morning!

Posted by Matt | July 27, 2007 1:53 PM
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I am not surprised Dan created me just to boost his pathetic "career". Apparently he could not find a real person to obsess over him while trying to pass off his infatuation as contempt.

Dan has demonstrated he has no morals. I can only imagine the depraved things he would do to me if he broke into my log cabin and found me tied up naked on the bed.

Posted by ecce rimjob | July 27, 2007 2:07 PM
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Every child deserves a troll.

Posted by Paulus | July 27, 2007 2:10 PM
34

So Dan Savage ecce homo's tyler durgen?

This is getting better!

Posted by Matt | July 27, 2007 2:16 PM
35

The first rule of beating yourself up with a sock puppet is you do not talk about beating yourself up with a sock puppet.

Posted by elenchos | July 27, 2007 2:18 PM
36

so follows the second rule!

Posted by OR Matt | July 27, 2007 2:21 PM
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I'm sure Dan's kid is really disappointed in him. Sure, it's cool having a rich and famous Dad, and living in a nice big house on the coolest street in the city with tons of kids on it, and going to groovy private school, and snowboarding together, and all the Mariner's games, and so forth.

But what a kid really needs is a repressed, self-hating, unemployed gay dad with a personality disorder who sits at the computer all day trolling on blogs.

Ecce - put your money where your mouth is and tell us your name, so that we can see for ourselves what a model parent you are.

Posted by Sean | July 27, 2007 2:31 PM
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@2 Mr. Poe, you're so vain!

Posted by Gloria | July 27, 2007 2:38 PM
39

I wish my father was a self rightous self hating gay ass hole ... like Mr. Garrison season 8 I think?

Posted by Matt | July 27, 2007 2:51 PM
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I don't even know how to respond to ecce--I'm going to continue to pretend that I'm not actually ecce.

We spent five years living on Vashon Island like hermits because it was the best place for DJ. We moved back to the city because the best school for DJ was in the city. When we go out, which we don't all that often (a few times recently, yes, but these things come in spurts), a babysitter DJ adores comes to the house and takes care of him. And, yes, even when DJ's parents go out, he's in bed at a decent hour.

And hang out in bars all night? Please. Most nights I'm in bed at the same time my son is--that's one of the ways having kids screws with your life. You get them settled, you get 'em ready for bed, and after you tuck them in... you're ready for bed too.

Last night I went to Pony to see a friend--it was my second visit to Pony. I arrived at 9:15 and left at 11:15. I was in bed before the Colbert Report started.

As for drag, well, I think drag past age 35 is kind of... sad, I guess. Or it made me sad, and I wanted to stop. So I did.

Finally, one of the reasons I go out and have a life is because I respect my kid too much to wither up and die, becoming a trapped, bitter, old resentful househusband.

Posted by Dan Savage | July 27, 2007 2:55 PM
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Dan,

I don't think being a parent is about constant sacrifice and perpetually babying them. They have to go off into their world and do their own thing too. How many of your peers had absolutely everything handed to them and did NOTHING with their lives. Working hard so you can play hard to moderately is not a bad value to instill. Otherwise, why the hell are we here at all? I mean, would you rather he not grow up, go off to college and shoot his money up his nose, ie Bush. At the MINIMUM he should learn that it's his own damn money that is his blow money.

I always thought the best families where the the ones where ... they did a lot of diverse stuff. Togethor apart ... ski trips etc. etc.

So if you feel guilty about it ... don't!

There is some weird stat that's like ... even though we work a zillion hours parents today spend more time with their children than parents past and yet feel guilty that they aren't spending enough.

Posted by OR Matt | July 27, 2007 3:10 PM
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Finally, one of the reasons I go out and have a life is because I respect my kid too much to wither up and die, becoming a trapped, bitter, old resentful househusband

... who relies way to much on his children to meet his emotional needs since he doesn't have anything else going on.

Amen. Same applies to straight parents.

Posted by Sean | July 27, 2007 3:11 PM
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Ah, the crowd of sycophants that have no children just HAVE to pipe in and offer their unexperienced opinions on how to raise children.

Blah Blah Blah...

Don't you have a gallery opening to attend or something?

Posted by ecce homo | July 27, 2007 4:04 PM
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Ecce, I'll speak up and say there's nothing wrong with Dan's parenting that any of us who don't know him personally can detect, and there's nothing right about your criticisms. And I am a parent. What say you now?

Posted by Matt from | July 27, 2007 4:23 PM
45

Oops, accidentally erased part of my name on that post. Someone take my child away from me.

Posted by Matt from Denver | July 27, 2007 4:24 PM
46

Funny, if I had to psychoanalyze you. I would acuse you of being arrogant in your suffering. You never really wanted to be a parent, but you are now and now you are embracing everything that is negative because you feel it's ... it's for the greater good or something like that. Either way, making your child feel like damage and an undue obligation isn't going to help them either. Do what you got to do, and if you can do shit togethor, I guess that's family... right?

Posted by Matt | July 27, 2007 4:44 PM
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@46

Hey Matt,

All of us Matts are signing with a location these days.

Thanks!

Posted by NJ Matt | July 27, 2007 7:20 PM
48

sorry about that .... OR Matt

Posted by OR Matt | July 27, 2007 8:13 PM
49

sorry about that .... OR Matt

Posted by OR Matt | July 27, 2007 8:13 PM
50

Hey, I was doing it first...

Posted by Matt from Denver | July 27, 2007 8:23 PM
51

Lite Brite.

Posted by Lloyd Clydesdale | July 27, 2007 8:30 PM
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Ecce, I don't think you have any kids. I think you're a 16 year old geek who is completely full of shit.

Posted by Sean | July 27, 2007 11:35 PM
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Well, thank god your not responsible for investing other peoples money, predicting the weather, or otherwise use your pre-cognition skills.

You suck at it.


I think you are a bored Gay man with herpes that lives under I-5, masturbates in city libraries, and drink MD 20-20 in city hall park while dropping a doo doo in your own jeans.

Posted by ecce homo | July 28, 2007 9:27 AM
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No, *I* am ecce homo!

Posted by ecce spartacus | July 28, 2007 10:40 AM
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I can totally understand why Ecce is so bitter. If I had been suckered into buying one of those ugly-ass townhomes that are being built in Seattle, I'd be angry too. They're nothing but old shotgun houses with additional floors. Double-barrels, you might call them.

Luckily, my partner and I have a lovely big home with a view of the Cascades from our spacious deck. The house was built in the 50's, so it is well constructed, with real hardwood floors and two real fireplaces. We both have well-paying union jobs, so we're pretty secure. And the neighborhood is zoned Single Family residences. No townhomes or bars for our part of town.

And I have another newsflash for ecce: I was raised in pretty much the American Dream: Quaint little Iowa town, Dad was a lawyer, Mom was a housewife. They loved their kids and each other for their 51 years of marriage. And yet they went out. Frequently. Dinner. Dancing. Dinner AND dancing. Movies. Cocktail Parties. For, you see, it's entirely possible to have BOTH children AND a social life.

The dreary parents these days, who act like they invented parenthood and are self-righteous bores about it, are a pain in the ass.

Posted by Catalina Vel-Duray | July 28, 2007 3:56 PM
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Overparenting is a very very REAL problem. Ask anyone who works in college admissions. They can't let their children do anything for themselves and when push comes to shove, the kids aren't able to ....

Posted by OR Matt | July 30, 2007 9:33 AM

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