Slog - Comments on "It Doesn't Get More Indie Than the Indians" http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian More than half of all American Indians live in cities. And Seattle has one of the biggest concentrations of Urban Indians in America. We got the National Urban Indian Health Institute. And the UW Indigenous Wellness Research Institute. And the Daybreak Star cultural center (art collection, Head Start school program, more), which owes its existence to Bernie Whitebear and other Native Americans, who staged a generally successful self-styled "invasion" and occupation of the land in 1970 after most of the Fort Lawton military base was declared surplus by the U.S. Department of Defense. This weekend is the annual pow wow... Copyright 2008 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:31:38 -0800 Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:41:05 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by shutup Fancy Dancing is cool and all but when they parade the POW/MIA flag around I want to scissorkick someone in the ear.

]]> shutup http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766812 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766812 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:39:51 -0800 Comment by J wait...what? those flags honor our veterans.

]]> J http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766837 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766837 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:00:28 -0800 Comment by no one in particular Hard Rock Café is, like, so indie.

]]> no one in particular http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766843 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766843 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:05:01 -0800 Comment by Boomer in NYC It won't really be indie unless Parker Posey is there.

]]> Boomer in NYC http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766848 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766848 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:12:54 -0800 Comment by brad i though that indian was offensive use of the word. isn't native american the safe one? or are they fine w/ that now? like calling developing countries 3rd world, etc.

]]> brad http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766849 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766849 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:14:17 -0800 Comment by brendan If the United Indians of All Tribes Foundation uses it, I'm not going to correct them.

]]> brendan http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766856 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766856 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:21:43 -0800 Comment by 21st century reality @ 5: 'indian' is like 'nigger' - the group in question can say it, you can't.

]]> 21st century reality http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766862 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766862 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:25:12 -0800 Comment by J we use indian, of course some (like my aunt) don't but its acceptable. alot of people my age just say Native, Indian is the language of our treaties and law. 'native american' is rarely used by Natives.

]]> J http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766865 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766865 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:27:42 -0800 Comment by Fnarf The problem with "Indian" isn't that it's racist, it's that it's general. Most of the time Indians think of themselves as members of a tribe, not a continent-wide category. If it's not used in a way that suggests a lack of understanding of the different peoples, it's not a slur at all.

I think it's too bad that local Duwamish, Suquamish, etc. have to celebrate "their" culture with Navajo fry bread and Seminole pride. They should be promoting the knowledge of the local peoples. Most Washingtonians know far more about famous tribes like the Sioux and Comanches than the people from around here.

J, the reason people get annoyed at the POW/MIA flag is because to them it doesn't represent honor to veterans; it represents Rambo kooks who think Vietnam still harbors American prisoners.

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766874 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766874 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:40:17 -0800 Comment by ddv it doesn't get any bigger than Crow Fair

http://www.crow-fair.com/

held each year near the site of the Battle of the Little Bighorn (or Custer's Last Stand as we learned it in school in MT in the 80's)...

]]> ddv http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766875 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766875 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:40:25 -0800 Comment by Noel "I think it's too bad that local Duwamish, Suquamish, etc. have to celebrate "their" culture with Navajo fry bread and Seminole pride."

They don't. United Indians hosts the Pow Wow and dancers from all over come to dance their own traditions.

The local tribes do host their own cultural celebrations. In addition, there will be a Coastal Salish special at about 5:00 PM on Saturday to showcase local traditions.

]]> Noel http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766885 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766885 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:50:44 -0800 Comment by J @ 9 however this powwow isn't a duwamish or suquamish celebration its United Indians which is one of the pan-Indian groups in Seattle.

suquamish has 'chief seattle days' and the duwamish are still trying to build their longhouse http://www.duwamishtribe.org/html/longhouse_project.html

also, frybread isn't just navajo, we all got the same commods whether you call it bannock, push bread, wheel bread, frybread, oogapalie its all kinda the same

]]> J http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766887 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766887 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:51:47 -0800 Comment by White Guy Funny how the people most interested in picking natives apart with semantics in order to protect them from hegemony are the white folk. Meanwhile the people most interested in joining together for a good time are the actual Indians.

What's more important folks? Using the right words or fostering acceptance and tolerance among everybody.

]]> White Guy http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766977 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766977 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:22:40 -0800 Comment by elswinger I'm half Cherokee half Choctaw and I prefer "injun."

]]> elswinger http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766982 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c766982 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:25:46 -0800 Comment by ecce homo I am half drunk, does that make me 1/4 indian? LOL

I know for a fact that indians like the drinky poo.

Speaking of urban indians, how come most of them live on 1st ave and in pioneer square, drink (ironically) T-bird wine, and throw bottles at one another? (Its not racist if its true).

It truly is a societal issue.

Plus then they get on metro and assault passengers.


]]> ecce homo http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767044 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767044 Life Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:58:04 -0800 Comment by Noel If "ecco homo" was truly interested in learning more about the determinants of poverty in the Indian community, or the ravaging affects of alcoholism, s/he would do well to start with the resources mentioned in the original SLOG--National Urban Indian Health Institute and the UW Indigenous Wellness Research Institute.

However, I doubt there is an interest in any kind of informed discussion on Mr. or Ms. Homo’s behalf, so I won’t bother spending too much time pointing out that drunk individuals of all races can be found downtown, that the worst of any people can be found if you search for them in pioneer square and that yes, in fact, there are many racists who speak partial truths and/or truths out of context.

Back on subject—there are wonderful Indian people at Pow Wow, and today is somewhat sunny, which is good.

]]> Noel http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767141 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767141 Life Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:52:27 -0800 Comment by ecce homo Majority of indians are alchoholic.

That doesn't make me a racist. It's the freaking truth.

I resent the implication that somehow I am a racist.

]]> ecce homo http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767164 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767164 Life Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:39:38 -0800 Comment by ecce's biggest fan I resent the countless stereotypical statements uttering from the septic tank that is your brain, ecce. Yes, you're a troll, that's well and established, and I'm probably doing exactly what you're hoping for and gaining a reaction. But seriously - get a fucking better hobby than constantly trying to piss people off. Or perhaps you have completely given up on humanity and revel in being a cowardly douchebag just to give your sorry existence some kind of meaning.

]]> ecce's biggest fan http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767217 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767217 Life Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:48:02 -0800 Comment by Serial Whitey I have 1 word to say: GRASS DANCING! Hee Hee! Yesterday's memorial grass dance special at Day Break Star was perfect, the dancers were impeccable from the 4 year olds, to the "Golden Age" ones and everything in between. It was a combination of serial death by cuteness, athletic expression and moments of profound spiritual uplift that would move any soul - no matter what religious subcription they have. I have one word for any of the dancers or organizer (if they read this): THANK YOU!

]]> Serial Whitey http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767262 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767262 Life Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:36:01 -0800 Comment by Seattle Luv Don't forget the Pirates! I saw the grass dancing, it was awesome! But about half an hour later the Seafair Pirates came. They were hilarious, the announcer called them ugly. Then it rained and we all went home. I also ate frybread. I hope my trainer isn't reading this!!!!

]]> Seattle Luv http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767264 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/07/it_doesnt_get_more_indie_than_the_indian#c767264 Life Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:41:05 -0800