Comments on Burn On Nickels

He's hardcore. He's gonna do driveby shootings on Tabella's every night until they finally shut down.

Unfortunately, this actually fits right into Nickels argument for a Nightlife license. The spin will be that the liquor board won't close problem clubs so we need a club license so the city can do it themselves.

Of course, there is a plan where a nightlife commission, like san francisco's, works with the clubs to mitigate the problems, and then and only then, the club gets their liquor permit pulled after not taking the steps necessary to come into compliance.

The problem with a club license is that it will either be too narrow or too broad, and probably regulate music, which is free speech. If it's too broad it will have a chilling effect on new investment into nightlife, and probably result in many clubs being shut down for minor offenses. If it's too narrow, then it won't be used enough, and so will have little effect and we'll be back at the table discussing this again in two years.

What we need is current laws better enforced. Clubs need to be able to hire off duty cops to work outside. More police need to be assigned to high traffic areas around the city at night. there needs to be a better noise ordinance. Individuals need to be held responsible for public nuisances and noise. The liquor board needs to have more agents working at nights and weekends (something the Mayor blocked)

And of course we need a Nightlife commission, not the week nightlife 'advisory board' proposed by the mayor.

It's way past time for the Council and the Mayor to get serious about this issue, stop playing politics with it, and pass something that will really make a difference in public safety and creating a vibrant urban scene.

Meinert, I think you have the spin right. It is too bad that so many pro Night Club people chanted the Save-the-Music and let-WSLCB-handle-it talking points. They were poorly advised to do so.
I think license are coming. Not because of complaints but because the City does not want the liability. The settlemet for Christopher Kime did not come from Pioneer Sqauare Night Clubs. I don't think they had so much as a moment of silence for him.

Doesn't mean they can't slip it in another time when you're not looking.

That's what she said!

ZING!

Zander - sometimes you sound like such an idiot. Really, do you think you sound intelligent? Fuck man, you barely make any sense. The WSLCB is handling someone's talking points? Dude, turn off the AM talk radio, get a job and get out a little.

Until the 'nightlife license' is in place as Meinert said, Plan B likely involves putting pressure on the health department not to renew licenses. I doubt they'd reject a request from any mayor.

Nice selective use of information.

The rest of the story goes on to say the city was successful in four requests for emergency suspensions, including two this year.

Let me see, the city's 4 for 5. How's this for the next Jonah post "Ichiro went 4 for 5 today - ouch; his hitting streak was brought to a screeching halt."

When elrider says "nice selective use of information", what he means is that he did not enjoy the selective use of information. Not even a little.

I make as much sense as others without resorting to f-bombs or slams. I try to be brief here instead of turning every observation ito a solipsistic lecture.
You should read or re-read my comments before commenting on them. I never said that the WSLCB was handling talking points. I said many Night Club suporters think the WSLCB should just handle problem clubs. (This takes the license issue away from the city and off the table.)

I am only mad when the wind blows nor'norwest.

Beyond that I am not going to take the bait an explain everything to you in detail. You should be intelligent enough to figure stuff out on your own.

Zander - here's the thing, you try to be smart and spin your oppennents' views to turn people against them. But you spin too hard, trying to make the other side something it's not instead of honestly listening and taking into consideration their knowledge and experience. You're an ass that way. The pro-music folks see a problem, and want to solve it holistically and are open to ideas from residents, police and the city. You, and fortunately you aren't a mouthpiece for your side, but you just want to push your agenda, whatever that is.

Here's the reality - the pro-music folks don't just want to let the liquor board handle things. In fact much of what the Mayor is proposing came directly from the pro-music people. The Mayor took our ideas, broadened out the license into some vague horrible thing, watered down the Nightlife Commission into an 'advisory board' so it has no real power, took out the plan for more police on the beat in high crime high traffic areas, took away the ability for nightclubs to be able to hire off duty police to patrol outside of clubs, and took away the idea of ticketing individuals on the street who are drunk and loud after midnight.

For some reason you don't want the above things, but like the mayor want whole new bureaucracy around a new license, which will also have all sort of potential negative effects on business and music.

Now if your side and the mayor would come together in a real process like we've asked for for two years, we could solve this and get on with other things. But this has become solely about egos and 'winning', politics and spin.

At this point even if the Mayor gets his license, however small and watered down a license it is (he'll take anything at this point for the win), he thinks he wins, but in fact has already lost the respect a lot of business people and the music community, and music fans, had for him. He could compromise and really win. In the meantime as he stalls the process , real problems are happening and real people are being effect. But he doesn't care about that, because he needs his 'win'. Whatever. Pretty pathetic.

Frankly, you are both insufferable.

Now that's rich irony - Meinert claiming that someone else has lost the respect of business people, the music community and music fans...