Comments on Letter of the Day

"Don’t let the personal lives of the writers get the better of the story. "

She has obviously never heard of gonzo journalism.

A fair point.

Dear Kate -

Why don't you go to 30 churches and tell them the same thing?

It is their turn to exercise journalistic fairness - or any kind of fairness, kindness, or objectivity.

Cry me a river.

There are journalists working at The Stranger?

If that article was intolerant and biased, we could use a little more of that kind of intolerantness in the world today. And it's not like this was some hard-hitting investigative journalism that will throw the church into disarray here. It was just a couple paragraphs about each place and personal impressions of it. Can you say "over-sensitive"?

Bias? At The Stranger? Nooooooo.

I hate the idea that any journalist is impartial or unbiased. The definition of unbiased journalism is, "Conforming to the most widely accepted biases." At least papers like The Stranger are up front about their biases.

She does have a point. While this isn't typical hard news or feature journalism, it still seems a bit harsh to go into something - supposedly open-minded - only to mock the people involved.

It's like staring in at caged monkeys, hoping they'll fling some shit around so you can have a laugh, and when they don't - you fling shit on them and then point them out.

I think the writer makes a very good point, but I think the kind of objective journalism she desires has long since died, with the possible exception of the AP, Reuters, or BBC wire services.

My only complaint regarding the article is with the Romans, or whomever, invented the 30 day month. As was pointed out earlier, there were a lot of religions and denominations I would like to have read more about.

FWIW, I don't have a problem with people who believe in God anymore than I do with people who believe in Bigfoot, UFOs, and the Loch Ness Monster. Just because I haven't seen any evidence that they exist, I am not 100% prepared to say they don't. I don't mind people who believe in God, I just wish they wouldn't be so religious about it.

People who believe in imaginary sky fairies have no compunction against mocking the beliefs of others who believe in different sky fairies than theirs, or the beliefs of those who don't believe in any sky fairies at all, so they deserve all the mockery they receive in return.

if you can look past the mocking it's actually a funny and interesting article. and I for one could look past it.

I found that the mocking in the piece was more directed at the services/leaders than the congregations. I guess that's a fine line but it's an important one. Giving a movie a bad review is different than mocking the other movie-goers.

In addition, this piece wasn't some sort of lofty journalistic endeavor. It was giving a Seattle community, Stranger-readers who mainly view organized religion as something between an anachronism and a cancer, a glimpse into what life is like for other Seattle communities. Bias is fine in a piece like that provided that it's readers are aware of it.

Anyone not aware of the Stranger's biases at this point?

dirge @ 11,

Very well said. I thought the article was typical for the Stranger's POV, and the Stranger writers mock themselves fairly regularly, so perhaps the letter writer simply isn't familiar with their style.

That said, it's easy for non-believers to feel like we're constantly under seige by Christians, especially since the Talibangelicals took over the Republican Party. Here locally for example, we have the Mars Hill cult claiming that they're going to out-breed everyone and take over the city to impose Old Testament style hell on Earth. Pretty small-time megalomania by today's standards, but a threat nonetheless.

i find the CFC way worse than Mars Hill. Simply because their followers are stupid and useless and need to believe that god wants them to be rich because they are so poor.

I have to say it was good to see Cienna Madrid writing for the Stranger again.

Dan, if Cienna was really the Stranger's Worst Enemy (TM) you should have made her do to all 30 churches by herself. Maybe next year?

Hmm... I read the article and (being a non-religious non-church-going person) interpreted it as, if I were to go to one of these churches this Sunday, what would my experience be like? What would I see? What might I think? So, I thought it was spot on. I would probably be a little uncomfortable, laugh at some things, be surprised by others, and moved by others. Which, is exactly what the writers portrayed, I thought (not hard-hitting objective journalism).

Great job, guys, the piece was excellent....

The author of the letter is exactly right. Making fun of things many people find a lot of happiness and support in, is just not productive and contrary to the open-mindedness you promote in almost every article and blog post.

Sure, there are nutty churches with a lot of really crazy things, like the creation museum and James Dobson & all. Thing is, there are also lots of cool churches out there, who host the homeless and invite gays and their families in to be full members without blinking an eye. But you conflated them all, and you made all religion out to be a joke. It isn't. Take note of the above comments, and let people know more about the great variety that really has something for everyone. Everyone, that is, who has room in their heads for something perhaps greater than their own ultra-hip ego.

Secular humanist my ass. She just prefaced with that in a pathetic attempt to give her tired we-get-no-respect take some credibility.

That's clearly a Christian who, at best, is going through a non-Christian phase and will be back in church suckling on the evnagelicals' proverbial tits shortly. More likely, to claim she is not religious and takes no interest in defending their faith is flat out bullshit.

Nice try, bullshitter.

...and you made all religion out to be a joke. It isn't.

But it is.

what is a "church"?

Bullshit... churches and religion are all ABOUT personal lives, and it's impossible and undesirable to write about them without a personal slant.

Agree with #6: Pretending you're unbiased is just making a better effort to hide your biases. It's sinister to suggest there's some level of untainted and Obviously Correct form of reporting being done out there. Some are definately more so than others, of course.

Most of those pieces weren't mean spirited in any way. At their worst, their tone was exactly the sort you'd expect to read from any good, unbiased, professional journalist reporting on, say, a Plushy Convention, or crusty punk show, tranvestite sushi bar. I'd expect all these reports to be fair and reasonable, but definately biased by culture, and biased by the writer's feelings of being an outsider - just as many of the stories in the article were.