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Thursday, June 21, 2007

Just in Time for Gay Pride Week, Tim Eyman…

posted by on June 21 at 11:37 AM

filed four initiatives to the legislature yesterday (scroll down on the link.)

There’s no text yet, but the topics are: limiting property taxes, car pool lanes, limiting charges on vehicles and… prohibiting discrimination … which means of course, permitting discrimination against gays and lesbians.

Poor Tim Eyman.

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I don't understand what this means.

Posted by slow reader | June 21, 2007 11:46 AM
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GRR I wish I could hate him to death!

Posted by CodyBolt | June 21, 2007 11:46 AM
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prohibiting discrimination which means of course, permitting discrimination against gays and lesbians. ???

Posted by slow reader jr. | June 21, 2007 11:54 AM
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what the fuck is up with the carpool one and the prayer one (which isnt timmy's)

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 21, 2007 12:04 PM
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@3 - I guess the assumption is that this initiative would "prohibit discrimination" against christians who believe gays are bad by permitting them to discriminate against gays in employment, renting of apartments, running over with cars, etc.

Posted by Levislade | June 21, 2007 12:05 PM
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@5,

Something like that. Typically, the reactionary approach is to say that gay rights discriminate against straights by creating "preferences." Eyman's initiative will undoubtedly say something about "no preferences."

Posted by Josh Feit | June 21, 2007 12:09 PM
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And yeah, wow, that school prayer one is nuts! Do they have to allow initiatives on the ballot that are blatantly anti-constitutional?

Posted by Levislade | June 21, 2007 12:15 PM
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@3 You might have been thrown off by "of course"

Looking forward to more "quotes", assumptions, and general fuzzy math handed to us by the media/The Stranger.

Posted by Gene Scheider | June 21, 2007 12:21 PM
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So Gene, what's your guess on what an Eyman-sponsored initiative that is supposedly about "prohibiting discrimination" would be about? Based on his track record, I'd say it's pretty much a no-brainer. We've been down this road before.

Posted by Levislade | June 21, 2007 12:28 PM
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The logical assumption would be that the carpool lane initiative will say something typically regressive like, "no new carpool lanes shall ever be built." I'm going to bet my money on something a little more Eymanish, like, say, "if gays are caught they shall be thrown from a moving car onto the carpool lane."

Posted by jamier | June 21, 2007 12:33 PM
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I'd say it's a combination of #5 and #6. YOUR initiative, Levislade, in attempting an explanation, prompted the post's author to weasle in and "clarify", of course.

Posted by Gene Scheider | June 21, 2007 12:35 PM
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I suspect the carpool lane initiative is to open them up to general traffic. That kind of thing is pretty popular with the Sound Politics crowd.

Posted by MHD | June 21, 2007 12:49 PM
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The carpool lane initiative is probably one of the stupidest things Eyman has ever proposed (and it's got some fierce competition)...Duh, if you open the carpool lane to traffic, it will slow all lanes of traffic equally proportionately, and the difference it makes in flow of traffic becomes negligible.

Posted by bing | June 21, 2007 1:16 PM
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Um, isn't there another one, gathering signature's at the Ballard Fred Meyer, that proports to be about "lower insurance rates"?

Something about that looked really fishy.

Posted by Will in Seattle | June 21, 2007 1:28 PM
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13 plus it creates less incentive to carpool thus putting more people in cars and causing more traffic.

generally you create an incentive to help reduce a problem at the expense of people who wont take you up on the incentive.

Posted by Bellevue Ave | June 21, 2007 1:30 PM
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@14 This relates to a newly passed law that allows suits against insurance companies that allow for triple damages if a claim is settled unfairly. Sounds nice, but the law fails to define unfairly.

Since insurance companies are regularly sued, tripling the damages means higher claims, higher claims expense, and therefore, increased rates for all drivers. That's a pay raise for me, since my commission is a set percentage of premium, but I'd still rather we not have auto insurance rates like California's.

Posted by Gitai | June 21, 2007 2:47 PM
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And what are we worried about as far as Eyman goes? His ability to actually get initiatives on the ballot has all but disappeared, and his ability to get them passed is coming up on its second yahrzeit.

Posted by Gitai | June 21, 2007 2:50 PM
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It seems like only yesterday that Timmy Eyman was on the television, in tears, telling us all how sorry he was that he stole money from his supporters.

He is a total sleazebucket.

Posted by duncan | June 21, 2007 3:11 PM
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He's back! I hope this means more cosplay to laugh at.

Posted by gfish | June 21, 2007 3:21 PM
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So when was the last time Eyman actually got enough signatures to get something on the ballot, and then have it actually be approved by the voters?

...anyone?

Posted by SDA in SEA | June 21, 2007 3:32 PM
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@16 - yeah, but doesn't that act as an incentive to bike or walk to work, or take the bus?

Why you be hatin on our vibe?

Posted by Will in Seattle | June 21, 2007 3:34 PM
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Getting rid of carpool lanes is a non-starter, even if the voters approve it. The feds pony up money for all those highways, not just the state, and they make certain requirements in return, like HOV lanes. They cannot be eliminated without the approval of the Federal Highway Administration and that's not gonna happen. Blame Big Brother Timmy.

Posted by Justy | June 21, 2007 3:40 PM
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We're exploring various potential initiative proposals. The one on 'prohibiting discrimination' relates to saving I-200, an initiative the voters approved in 1998 relating to race, sex, color, ethnicity, and national origin. Since its overwhelming passage, several governments have put loopholes in it and the courts have misinterpreted what "no preferential treatment" means when it comes to race, sex, color, ethnicity, and national origin in public education, public employment, and public contracting. The 59% of the electorate who approved I-200 wanted state and local governments to simply treat everyone equally and wanted the government and the courts to respect its policies, not undermine them. Sexual orientation wasn't included in I-200 and so it's not included in this initiative.

Interestingly, there's a U.S. Supreme Court case coming out soon which provides one example of what I'm referring to when it comes to I-200. The State Supreme Court said that Seattle's "racial tiebreaker" school policy did not violate I-200. By any reasonable reading of the initiative, the State Supreme Court should have invalidated Seattle's "racial tiebreaker." Because they didn't, it was appealed to the SCOTUS, and their upcoming U.S. Supreme Court ruling, which is due any day now, is widely expected to overturn this policy for Seattle schools and possibly schools throughout the nation. Again, this is just one example of Washington state's courts and the Legislature misinterpreting and undermining I-200.

Posted by Tim Eyman | June 21, 2007 3:48 PM
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@23: But of course you have no problems discriminating against us homos when it comes to things like marriage or equality regarding sexual orientation. I take it frat boy watch sales are down.

Posted by Dave Coffman | June 21, 2007 7:36 PM
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@21 God's honest truth, I wouldn't shed a tear if everyone in this city sold their car and started biking. Car insurance is the most difficult thing to sell and underwrite. I'd much rather be working on homeowners, commercial, life, or even renters.

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