If only her wonkishness had gotten the best of her political opportunism, she might have seen fit to read the NIE on Iraq. Alas.
Hillary is a complex figure. She is, after all, Arkansas’ most notorious drug-dealing lesbian assassin. I just have too many bad memories of being fucked over by Bill Clinton to want another Clinton presidency.
As another Slogger ingeniously said once: “Bill Clinton was the best Republican president this country ever had.”
It’s time for new people, and what this country needs more than anything is a fresh start.
I am already stressed about choosing between the two of them and the primary is how far away?
But... isn't it nice that (1) we have a choice of solid candidates and (2) no matter what, if one of them wins, we won't have a complete idiot in the Oval Office.
I think that was a twinge of optimism that I just felt. It's been awhile so it's hard to tell for sure...
There is only one question an 08 canidate needs to answer: (which is given next to ZERO time in the media) a military draft. As in when, not if there will be one. Not popular question, but is a on a fast track to becoming a reality (if you care, honestly answer: how many more *years* can the present volunteer troop levels, without a reduction, be held? honestly not very long, according to experts on the left and even in the neo-con camp, given the number of folks not joining the military because of the Iraq war). Out of the dems, HRC is the only one who would have the balls to enact the draft, and call it a draft. Obama would make a nice veep, however. (But I am hoping for HRC to go for Al Gore as a running mate... CLINTON AND GORE in '08!!. It could happen.)
I'm with you, man. Hilary so far is the only candidate that seems like she will punch the Republicans twice as hard as they punch her. There will be no successful Swift Boat groups if she gets the nomination. I, too, like Obama, but I've yet to see him do anything that makes me think that he's got the stomach for hard-ball election politics. His last opponent was Alan Keyes, for goodness sake. Same prob w/ Edwards.
I'm tired of nice, safe, unthreatening Democratic candidates that roll over and whine when the Republican attack dogs show up. I want a badass.
obama will be shot. hillary will be shot. gore will be shot. the borders will be closed, the bushes will steal their final election and declare george or (ACK!) cheney president for life. they will start napalming fags and mexicans, open the detention centers, and start regulating food by government issued coupons. so quibble over candidates, puny fools! this time three years from now, we'll all be languishing in the new american auschwitz for crimes against the state, and all these “candidates” will be fertilizer.
To be correct, she is,'wicked policy smaht"
There's no "R" anymore—it's just Hillary Clinton these days. Duh.
HRC knows where the bodies are buried. And that's why I like her.
Hillary's a tool. For her conniving and her pitbull-like approach to politics, she comes across as more of the same while Obama comes across as something new, fresh, progressive and different.
I'm starting to wonder if you get behind the lady pols because they're women.
Hillary is a good, solid, rock hard candidate. But she's got a couple of problems in her past: the Iraq NIE, which she never read, and refuses to talk about now, and the health care fiasco, which is really Ira Magaziner's fault but she was the head of the program. Her real problem is that she refuses to assess her own strengths and weaknesses, and she refuses to admit even a glimmer of failure or responsibility. I worry about that.
I'd vote for her in the general election in a heartbeat, of course. Or Obama -- Obama must be kept out of the Senate before it eats his brain! But I think my preference is Richardson, although he's not enough of a SOB to get elected.
I am with you on Hillary, Josh. I like Obama a lot, but he reminds me of too many other candidates who seemed to be all the rage a year and a half before the election. Howard Dean was sweeping the country at this time in 2003.
Hillary is not as liberal as I would like. She may have been wrong on the war. But she is the first kickass, electable, wicked policy smart woman to run for president. After almost 100 years of women voting, it is time to elect a woman to our highest office. Only a woman can pull back the curtain and expose the Oz-like posturing on choice, health care, child care, and countless other issues.
Obama looks like a realignment and a fresh choice because he doesn't have much of a resume yet. Neither did the governor of Vermont. Those candidates always look strong early, but fade as the campaign goes on and their inexperience on a national stage gets exposed.
I am with Julie on feeling good about our choices now. Look at the eleven white men running for the Republican nomination...
Dump HRC and join the rest of us in the Gore/Obama camp.
"the Oz-like posturing on choice, health care, child care, and countless other issues."
Like Clinton's Oz-like posturing on the war?
Both Obama and Hillary are pandering tools of the MIC, they just have different approaches.
Howard Dean's campaign was mostly killed by the media, and not by any lack of a record.
please do not anoint HRC the candidate 8 months before iowa & NH. Gore & Clark have not declared.
if she's nominated, i can tell you 2 reagan democrats who won't come back - my parents. they voted
Bush (? maybe not. they wouldn't tell me after i berated them in nov. 2002)
they HATE HRC, and won't vote for her no matter what. i have no clue why.
I sure am. Simply electing Hillary Clinton president would be more positive progressive change than anything Obama or Gore or Kucinich could do in 2 full terms.
The gals over at Jezebel, have the best book quote from Hilary's new book. Who knew that Hillary and Avril Lavigne have soooo much in common.
"Betsy fixed Hillary up with Jim Van Schoyk, [who]... balked at the idea initially, saying Hillary was a bit too nerdy for him. But he agreed to call her, and took her out on a "practice date" a couple of weeks before the prom. They went for a drive and Jim stopped the car at the top of the Lutheran General Hospital's winding driveway, brought out his skateboard, and asked Hillary whether she'd ever ridden on one. She hadn't, but not wanting to say no, Hillary said she could do it. Jim handed her the skateboard and Hillary stepped on."
Re: maxsolomon #15
Your parents are fascinating. Some doctoral candidate should do a paper on them. I think they are a roadmap to what happened to America over the last 30 years.
My parents probably had a similar voting record but more conservative - they voted for Nixon. My dad was actually "hurt" about Watergate. Well, duh.
My motherinlaw got her marching orders from my wife to vote Dem in 2004 - she didn't and refused to acknowledge it. I'll bet she regrets it now - or maybe not.
As for the Dem candidate, everyone relax - there is a long long road ahead. People die, terror happens, George shoots his mother.
"I sure am. Simply electing Hillary Clinton president would be more positive progressive change than anything Obama or Gore or Kucinich could do in 2 full terms."
That is a fallacy.
Hillary might as well be a Republican.
She said we are safer since 9/11!
Do you really want a dynasty of right-wingers running this country? If she gets elected it will be more than a quarter century of the same two families. Thank god we're not a Monarchy!
Obama has yet to win me over, his religiousity sticks in my craw. I will admit the fact that he would be bringing a different crew into office with him is appealing.
Your support for HRC is another spoof, like your review of TOMMY, right?
Just curious--no one likes Edwards?
I've donated to all the top 3 dems. Sorta thrilled with so many great candidates (even more thrilled if Clark or Gore hop on board).
It still doesn't change the fact that Hillary has my vote. Unless she grows a dick between now and election day she's got my vote.
This voter is sick and tired of watching dicks run this country. Even dicks she likes. The dick era needs to be done already.
flame away ...
Amazing that next to no one is even mentioning Edwards on this list, which doesn't bode well for him. I like him because he's talking frankly about social class and economic inequality, which basically no other Dem or Rep is doing.
Also, though he voted the wrong way on Iraq - just like HRC, though the indications are good that Obama would have gone the right way - he's been frank in admitting his mistake on that count, which goes a long way for me.
Edwards by and large has the Unions, who will turn out enormous numbers for the primary. He's a great speaker. He leads in Iowa (I think) and is doing well in New Hampshire and South Carolina.
Clearly, he doesn't have the name buzz, but I can see where that could work in his favor - if everyone gets tired of Obama and HRC in the next months.
Anyway, putting him back on the radar.
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