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<description>A South King County man, Joel Zellmer, has been charged with first-degree murder in the 2003 drowning death of his then 3-year-old stepdaughter, Ashley McLellan. Bail has been set at $5 million. This 2003 incident occurred three months after Zellmer&apos;s marriage to Ashley&apos;s mother, Stacey Ferguson, and after he purchased a $200,000 life-insurance policy for the toddler. There have been at least four similar incidents leading up to Ashley&apos;s death, where accidents kept happening to Zellmer&apos;s often insured stepchildren. The first known case occurred in 1990. Zellmer was accused of breaking the legs of his then 4-month-old stepson in order...</description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:47:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Mr. Poe</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Typo.</p>]]></description>
<author>Mr. Poe</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738294</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 08:53:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elswinger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>There will be a lot of them. :(  Hopefully Amy will catch as many as she can.  It is a zoo at work today.</p>]]></description>
<author>elswinger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738302</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:00:07 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by vegetable lasagna</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Any of the golden children catch Chris Hitchens at Town Hall last night?  I was looking forward to the morning after breakdown, although Fnarf's nutsack was a lovely accompaniment to my fist cup of coffee.  </p>]]></description>
<author>vegetable lasagna</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738318</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:15:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Anthony Hecht</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>First!</p>]]></description>
<author>Anthony Hecht</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738320</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:18:17 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Levislade</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Mmmm, fist coffee . . .</p>]]></description>
<author>Levislade</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738321</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:18:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Aislinn</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@3: Your "fist cup of coffee"? Freudian slip?</p>

<p>In general: This is lovely, but let's pick up the pace. </p>]]></description>
<author>Aislinn</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738322</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:18:38 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Pick up the pace? We're way ahead of yesterday.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738336</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:28:59 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by darius</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the Chris Hitchens talk was probably interesting. I saw him speak in the 80s, nad he made this strange comparison of the Kennedy lineage - back to the 20s - to a Shakespeare tragedy. Lots of moms and children in those stories.</p>]]></description>
<author>darius</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738355</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:39:45 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Aislinn</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Way ahead? Hardly. Yesterday morning was also slow. And, some celebrity gossip is in order. Who's playing Schmader?</p>]]></description>
<author>Aislinn</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738357</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:41:49 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by vegetable lasagna</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Take it easy.  There was some gay banter @ 7:40 on GMA that would be a great post.  Chris Cuomo was drooling through the screen at Sam Champion.  In the interest of full and fair disclosure, I guess I was actually drinking my fist cup of coffee then.    </p>]]></description>
<author>vegetable lasagna</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738358</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:42:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by shelbis</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>saw that clip with the son saying his father was a church pastor on king 5 or something. they investigated that claim and found his father was not currently a church pastor and never has been. that lie was soo unnecessary</p>]]></description>
<author>shelbis</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738379</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:59:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elswinger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Aislinn, if I worked for the Stranger rather than the UW (btw, thanks for your tax dollars) I would post every fifteen minutes too.</p>]]></description>
<author>elswinger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738396</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:06:56 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by doNotExploitTheDeathsOfChildren</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Elswinger - I'm disappointed that you're carrying on Dan Savages's BS "Every Child Needs..." campaign.  </p>

<p>I understand the emotion behind this campaign.  But pointing out that heteros mutilate and kill their children does NOTHING to help gays achieve marriage.  Nothing.  It just exploits the sad and unecessary deaths of these children.</p>

<p>I don't think that homophobes who believe that every child needs a father and mother do so because they think homos kill and mutilate their children more than heteros.  Do you?</p>

<p>So why post all these news articles about heteros killing their kids?  </p>

<p>Because it's easy.  And dramatic.  It's a fucking cop out.</p>

<p>It's hard to argue with the homophobes position on gay marriage because their arguments are not rational.  They're purely emotional -- they come from fear.</p>

<p>So instead, Dan plays with the same currency of fear and morbid fascination that homophobes play with when they talk about AIDS and fags and hell.</p>

<p>I think that Dan's heart is in the right place, but he's misguided.</p>

<p>And so are you.</p>]]></description>
<author>doNotExploitTheDeathsOfChildren</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738453</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:35:05 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elswinger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It wouldn't be Slog without one of these "feel bad" stories every day.</p>]]></description>
<author>elswinger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738470</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:44:29 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by SB</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@13:  Misguided my ass.  As the argument goes, gay singles and gay couples are not fit to parent.  These posts aren't about fear or morbid fascination--they are about hypocrisy and calling bullshit on such non-sense.  Before anyone starts hypothesizing about what gay folks might do to children if they are given the right to foster or adopt them, perhaps some time and energy should be spent rectifying the horrible/horrific wrongs committed against children by some of the same jackasses who are leading the campaign against us.</p>

<p>You might not like to see the details of the crime, but such posts are illustrative, at least.</p>]]></description>
<author>SB</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738490</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:56:26 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by doNotExploitTheDeathsOfChildren</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  Illustrative that heteros kill their kids.</p>

<p>How does that help gays get married?</p>

<p>So you are actually agreeing with this logic:</p>

<p>Heteros kill their kids<br />
ERGO<br />
Gays should be able to marry</p>

<p>What if I found an example of a gay person killing a child?  Would that prove that gays should not be able to marry?  Or would your counter-argument be - "well, heteros kill MORE children".</p>

<p>Maybe that's because there are more heteros with more kids.  Who knows?</p>]]></description>
<author>doNotExploitTheDeathsOfChildren</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738515</link>
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<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:12:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Aislinn</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@16: The deaths of children are exploited constantly. From Amber Alert laws to Cindy Sheehan to Jonbenet's dad and Natalee's mom hooking up to that fucking "Tears in Heaven" song, people benefit from the deaths of children all the time. That's not an argument for killing children, it's just the facts.</p>

<p>Also, either you're being intentionally obtuse, or you're precisely the type of person that should never be allowed to debate, ever, to spare the sanity of people who understand logic. An argument anti-gay marriage/adoption activists put forth is that children are safer with heterosexual parents. The point of these posts isn't that gays should marry because straights are violent assbags, it's that those safety-oriented arguments are not based on fact.</p>]]></description>
<author>Aislinn</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738592</link>
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<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:45:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by keshmeshi</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>A father writes a song about his son's <i>accidental</i> death and that's exploitive?</p>]]></description>
<author>keshmeshi</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738604</link>
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<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:50:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Aislinn</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@18: He made a ton of money off that song, which means he made a ton of money off of the death of his son. What should we call it, opportunistic?</p>]]></description>
<author>Aislinn</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738632</link>
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<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:06:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bison</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>@18<br />
Why would accidental vs. intentional have any bearing on whether something is exploitative or not?  </p>]]></description>
<author>Bison</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c738639</link>
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<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:10:01 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bill</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>MSN I NIIPET<br />
<a href="http://msn.com" rel="nofollow">MSN</a></p>]]></description>
<author>Bill</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c741432</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c741432</guid>
<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:50:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bill</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>MSN I NIIPET<br />
<a href="http://msn.com" rel="nofollow">MSN</a></p>]]></description>
<author>Bill</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c741433</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c741433</guid>
<category>News</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:50:44 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Bill</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>MSN I NIIPET<br />
<a href="http://msn.com" rel="nofollow">MSN</a></p>]]></description>
<author>Bill</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c741434</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/06/every_child_deserves_a_mother_and_a_fath_10#c741434</guid>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:50:55 -0800</pubDate>
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