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Get the Blackjack.
As much as I love anything Apple, I would wait to get a new iPhone. Let them work out the glitches.
I say neither.
Do you want it to fit comfortably in your front pocket? If the answer is yes, get a razor.
Good god, of couse you should get the iPhone. We all want to hear about how it does or doesn't live up to the hype in this blog for the next aeon. Nobody gives a shit about the Razr anymore.
Razr... change = bad. ;)
That and the glitches issue... but mostly change = bad.
Seriously, gor for either the blackjack or at least a 700 series Palm Treo.
Must be nice to have $600 just burning a hole in your pocket.
Hmm. Pay the mortgage or see the dentist?
These are the decisions I'm faced with right now.
I got a nice rotary job mounted on the wall at home. Works pretty good.
I say get the iPhone so that in a few months when the battery explodes in your backpocket and catches your ass cheek on fire you can sue Steve Jobs for BUTT LOADS (pun intended) of cash.
I just can't get into Apple's smooth, buttonless design. I like/need the tactile feel of raised buttons.
Yeah, how about you get a Razr now, and send the extra how-ever-many-hundred-dollar difference to me, for groceries or student loans?
If you are a parent (supposedly a heavily involved one - on you claim that is much better than many of your het counterparts) what the hell are you doing out drinking, getting drunk, etc.? Cruising all the local bars takes time away from your kid that you have spent so much effort, trying to convince us, that you adopted because you wanted children.
More and more, you seem to be just a borish twat who adopted a kid to prove a point. That point? That you can be as self-centered and negelectfull as the breeders from the burbs that you hate. Having kids is NOT a political statement.
Mmmm....getting pretty sick of hearing about the iPhone.
Guess the question is what you want from a cell phone. Personally? I don't want to watch a movie or a TV show on a tiny, tiny screen. Additionally, I don't want to write a speech on a cell phone's keypad. Phone + .mp3? OK, I guess. You wouldn't have to buy two different devices.
I've a feeling the iPhone is going to be huge with people under 20 and with people who walk around unashamedly with Bluetooth coming out of their ears. At any rate, it'll be a stroll through Apple's proprietary hell.
Well, if you already have an iPod why get a phone that has minimal memory to play any music? I would be impressed with the iPhone if it was ultra-slim and had 20 or 30 Gig in memory.
Go to amazon and see all the free phones.
I hate my Razr. Goddamn slick marketing.
Must be nice to have a mortgage to pay. Hmm.. pay the rent or buy food for the next week. These are the decisions I'm faced with right now.
My razr just went thru the washing machine. I looked up wet cellphones in google and found that if I took out the battery and let it dry for three days (or until you don't see any evidence of moisture) that it might work again. I tried it an presto my phone works fine. You might want to submerge yours in rubbing alcohol if it got soda pop or other sugar type drinks on it. Also I put mine on my cable box for a constant source of low heat to help dry it out. Better than a $500 iphone, a free dry phone.
My son and his other dad were in Spokane, Washington, visiting family. I had to stay home and work. I hope it's okay with you that I went out and grabbed a drink after work while they were away.
I have it on good authority, however, that sometimes parents even go get a drink when they're kids are in town. Hell, I'm taking my kid to the Ms game tonight and I'm going to have a drink right in front of him.
And sometimes it's actually in a kid's own best interest for the parents to get out every once in a while, have a drink, see adult friends. I don't know what you know about parenting, Ecce, but it's nothing like house arrest. You do get to walk into bars now and then, just like other adults.
Please don't get an iPhone, Dan. We hear from you enough already.
If there was ever a time to be an early adopter, I'd say this is the time. I've heard great things about the iPhone as an actual PHONE, which is great.
Of course, there is the expense so you may want to wait until the price comes down and make the Razr your in-between phone.
I need to get a new phone and would love the iPhone, but I can't swing it yet.
Get the iPhone.
I need to hear people complain about it so I don't blow however many hundreds of dollars it will cost, because damn it, I want one! Save my finances.
Nice one, 14. You know kids sleep at night, right? Which would be when Dan was out.
Just don't, for the love of god, buy a Chocolate. I was a sucker for the shiny, touch sensitive, slider thing. First of all, shiny smooth things lose both of those attributes after a month or two in your pocket, even if you're careful. Secondly, the user interface and sound quality are both crap.
If your RAZR worked, get another one. I thought I was upgrading when I got the new fancy phone, now I reminisce about being able to hear the other person while using my phone.
I want an iPhone, therefore, I want you to get one and review it before I drop the $500-$600. Also, my best friend got a Razr, replaced it because of poor reception, and the new one is exactly the same. She's now had it for a while, and apparently her acquaintances who have one have similar complaints. It's not an every time thing, but often enough to be annoying.
Oh, and 'their' kids.
Doesn't Cha Cha have a pay phone?
If you want to walk around with a $600 brick in your pocket that you'd be afraid you'd break just by sitting down ... and then if you want to discover in a few months that your $600 brick is obviously and embarrassingly obsolete and it doesn't even work with the next generation of computers, get the iPhone.
I had the same experience with the first-generation iPod. Best $400 lesson in early adoption I've ever gotten.
Don't get an iPhone. Even if all the hype about it magically isn't completely overblown, you'll end up getting it wet in 3 months and be out $600, stuck in a 2 year contract. Go with the Razr if you just need something basic, or step up to the Blackjack if that's too boring.
I can't bring myself to get an iPhone, but holy shit, can't you? The chance to report on opening-day sales madness, a blow-by-blow report on what it's like to learn to use the keyboard interface to make Slog posts, periodic glitch news, outrage, joy...sounds like a Slog blockbuster in the making.
get a samsung u740, you can sync all your music and its smaller than an iphone. it has a crazy swivel action to access a full keyboard. i also have a moto q, you can also listen to music, stream kexp (if you have an internet access package) and its far more versatile than an iphone except for watching video. if you must watch video on your phone, iphone may be the one but if your objective is music and a phone, i'd go samsung.
Get a really cheap phone so you won't be out much next time it gets left in a pool of tequila, vomit, and blood.
I voted for the iphone for a single reason. I'd love to read/hear you do a tech review of it. Come on give the tech savvy at-risk youth a chance at slashdot/digg/boingboing fame.
I gotta agree with #4. I've been effectively warned off the Razr by a friend who used to work for Nextel tech support, not to mention by watching every Razr-owning friend and relative I've got having to replace the things inside a few months.
On the other hand, buying an iPhone, particularly the second they become available, sounds like a Really Bad Idea to me...
dump the razr. The current free phones are as powerful and easier to use than the razr. Get the iphone if you also need an ipod. If you already have a good ipod the iphone is just too expensive.
razr's are a piece of shit. they look good and that's about it.
Ecce @ 14:
Dude, how miserable are you? If I couldn't go out and get a drink every once in a while, sometimes with my kids' mom, and sometimes just with friends, I can guarantee you I, and therefore my kids, would be just as bitter and unhappy as you seem to be. I love my kids and I love being a Dad, but it's also fucking hard work. Every parent needs a break and some adult time every once in a while.
Oh, and Dan, go for the iphone. As a bike commuter, you'll appreciate that you can be listening to your tunes and then when a call comes in you, the music automatically fades and you can take your call with the combo ear buds/mic without even touching the phone.
Reuse a phone from some [s]ucker that got a razr or iPhone.
get some sticks and a blanket for starting fires and sending smoke signals, or a piece of string with paper cups on either end, or a megaphone, or hell just start throwing shoes at people if you want to get their attention--ANYthing but another f*ckin' Razr.
I hate mine; it's an energy pig and it's fussy and it thinks cloudless days are the best days to drop calls.
F*ckin' thing. Menh.
#1 Try IE7. All web pages work with it. Use firefox or safari if you love self imposed torture.
Get the razr. Apple has been on greenpeace's shitlist for a decade. Their products don't have a long life expectancy, they refuse to recycle their own products, upgrades are sadly limited and they lie about not using PVC in their products. All the other major computer makers have made at least some effort.
While your at it, dump all your apple products, if you care for the environment.
I vote that Slog bans Ecce Homo. What a contrarian ass-troll.
I don't know who your current cell service provider is, but your decision about the iPhone should also factor in AT&T's customer service track record.
--satisfied T-Mobile customer (looking at the Rizr for an upgrade)
31 - I'm also on the five-year iPod plan, but mine continues to work great. People see it and they assume that a) from the size, it must hold 160 GB, and b) that the physically rotating scroll wheel is some kind of cutting-edge feature. I paid $500, the same price as the 4GB iPhone.
Razr. the iphone is a burn in my opinion. Wait a few years and you will be able to get the same thing without all the restrictions for less money.
Ecce, I for one would have had a much HAPPIER childhood if my step-father had just stayed out all night drinking, instead of coming home after work, pounding down a sixer, then pounding on my mom for a couple of hours a night - mainly over his frustration with suddenly being saddled with four kids he hadn't spawned.
Of course, it was probably the whole "getting shit-faced drunk at home" that compelled his first wife to divorce him and take the four kids he DID spawn.
you can get a razr THEN an iphone several months later for the cost of an iphone now.
Apple=hater of the environment. Greenpeace has had a campaign against them for 10 years. Their products have a short life, are difficult to upgrade (why don't you buy another?), they refuse to recycle their products, and they lie about the usage of pvc in their products. A dollar for Apple is a dollar for toxic sludge in your backyard. Buy anything else. Don't buy apple.
Check out greenpeace's "green your apple" campaign. It's nicer than I am.
But get insurance in case it gets wet or scratched.
And buy a hot pink cover for it.
Whatever you get, don't get the RAZR. I have one and I'm not very pleased with it. It's always having problems. So, if you're worried about glitches you might as well get the phone that will have them, but will work them out. Whereas the RAZR has glitches and they never seemed to work them out.
@ will in Seattle: word is the iPhone will have free insurance and other security features. Neato.
@ Savage: Hey Dan, I'm a fucking expert on shit like this. iPhone is alright, but the RAZR sucks in the bad way. If you like the RAZR because you're used to it, I'd recommend the KRZR, which is Motorola's update to the RAZR.
It's smaller, slimmer, does more, and looks cooler, and there's the added benefit of not being another douche with a RAZR.
Alternatively, since you're a busy guy, you might wanna look at a smartphone. A Treo 680 is fairly inexpensive and does a whole lot. I keep a copy of the Karma Sutra on mine, and it's good for playing Yahtzee! at the bar. So there.
My vote is for the 8525.
Cup and string. Cell phones are for douchebags.
I voted for the iPhone. I'm now on my second Razr and will NOT do it again.
@ Fnarf: You do realize it's 2007, right? Just checking. heh.
#14 ecce dude: stop being such a goo-goo goody two shoes.
It's okay to have a drink and to get drunk sometimes.
Parents, non parents, whatever.
It's okay to laugh and yell and cry and shout.
It's okay for a 19 year old to have a beer esp. in a home no matter what the law says. It is O. K.
People like you want to make this town a Calvinist puritanical wet rag nannyistic theocracy in which everything fun and authentic and diverting and spirited is bottled up, restrained, banned, scorned and verboten. Loosen up!
The first release of Apple products always suck. Your important Dan, you need a phone that works, don't be an Apple Beta Tester.
(Monday afternoon) Perez Hilton reports that there's already a line starting outside The Apple Store in NYC for Friday's release and sale of the iPhone.
I love my RAZR--okay, I don't really "love" it, but I've had mine for two years with no problems whatsoever. It looks very worn and scratched, but the screen is still bright and clean and it fits easily in my pocket.
God knows I covet the iPhone--but I'm with most of the others on this post: wait and let everybody else work through the kinks of the first generation.
Posting with my BlackBerry Pearl. I used a Treo 650 before and the Pearl is the best phone/PDA I've used.
Nokia E70. Best all-around phone on the market. You have to buy it privately, the cell operators won't offer it because it has so many network-bypass features. Has every damn feature of the cultfone, and is much smaller. Does internet telephony perfectly.
I had a razr and now I have a "smart phone" which is shorthand for squeeze all the problems you have with your computer into your phone. I never had to reboot the razr because it got hung making a call.
Ecce, don't be such an asswipe. Having (or adopting) a kid does not mean you can never set foot in a bar for the entirety of their childhood. That's what uncles are for. I'm an uncle, and love to babysit my nephews so my brother and his wife can get out occasionally. I have a great time playing with the kids, the kids have a blast with their crazy homo uncle, and my brother and his wife get a much needed break and some adult time to themselves. Everyone's a winner.
I was an early adopter of cell phones. I've had one since 1990. My first portable phone weighed 7 pounds and had a battery the size of a car battery, which only lasted 2 hours on a charge!
But since then I've fallen behind on the whole thing. I just use my cell phone for, you know, talking on the phone to people. I've never learned how to text message. Whenever someone sends me a text message, I call them back. I don't even know how to program numbers into my phone.
I do use a Palm to keep my schedule and all my contact info. But I'd rather keep that on a separate device. The idea of having all that in my cell phone scares me.
I have avoided getting a crackberry. I spend way too much time fooling around on the internet already. If I had a blackberry, I'd descend into full on OCD. It wouldn't be pretty.
If you ignore the marketing hype, the iPhone doesn't make much sense. You can get a regular cell phone for free, or for very cheap. An iPod Nano costs $150. Or you can combine them both into one devise for $600? I don't think so. It's sort of like those cheap machines at Office Depot that are supposed to be a combination copier/fax machine/scanner. Yes, it can perform all those functions, but doesn't do any of them well. Sometimes you are better off with separate machines that actually work right.
So as much as the iPhone looks like a nifty gizmo, I don't think it's for me. From what little I've been able to discern of your personality from reading your articles and books, Dan, I suspect the iPhone isn't for you either. Here's a solution: buy your guy the iPhone, if he's the one that's into it. Then buy yourself a regular cell phone. Then you'll both be happy.
Dan, I dont think you understand what's going on with the iPhone right now. Unless Terry is willing to camp outside the apple store up around the university and piss into 2 liter soda bottles or give sexual favors to the apple geniuses, you probably ain't gonna get one.
The Helio Ocean seems like a good alternative that does all kinds of stuff, has a keyboard, and is easy to use, though. If you just want a phone that is just a fucking phone, the razr will do (just don't expect it to be easy to send text messages, program the address book, use bluetooth headsets, or send photo messages).
NONE!!! get a nokia........
@1, I don't want to explain, but when you are the first post, the poll doesn't exist. Stay with Firefox. My IE7 graphics SUCK!!!
No opinion on the new phone, but I'd like to share:
My cell phone went through the fucking WASHING MACHINE and survived. It's probably too late for yours, but all it took for me was blasting it for 20 minutes with a hair dryer and giving it a few days to dry out. Pantech c300. Works like the day I bought it.
The Razr is a POS. Everyone I know that has one has had tons of problems. Crap battery charge, easily breaks, hard to use, etc.
I can think of little with greater entertainment potential than Dan owning and hating the iphone and writing about it at length on this blog.
OTOH, I can think of little more boring than reading about Dan's love of the item if it should please him.
As he is a noted contratian, I bet he even thinks it might be fun to own and hate and, um, Savage the device in public.
Finally, I must note that as the device has come to be called the 'God phone' or the 'Jesus phone,' and taking into account Dan's continuing critical engagement with religion, there's even a hook for personal reflection about religion, God, and communication with said hypothetical entity.
Actually, Apple products are really easy to upgrade, and I've got an acncient (in tech years) iPod and iMac that don't show any signs of quitting. Still, I'd wait for the second generation iPhone. Judging by the iPod's history, you'll get a better product for possibly less money.
From the web site:
Apple could use its influence to set an example and open up the wireless market. If Apple leads, we would all benefit from competition and reduced rates. Instead, Apple has chosen to lock iPhone customers in with AT&T -- a corporation whose practices seem to run counter to everything Apple stands for.
This is, of course, the same AT&T that enabled warrantless wiretapping and turned over consumers' phone records to the Bush Administration's National Security Agency. The same AT&T that is doing its very best to destroy net neutrality and create a "slow lane" Internet for the rest of us. And the same AT&T whose new Chairman's political donations are almost entirely to conservative Republicans.
I was actually stuck making this same decision last week. I went to an AT&T store and asked about the iphone. Their advice...wait until Apple works out the bugs, then buy one. I don't know if you have ever used a touch screen computer Dan but they have to be calibrated constantly because the sensors go out. It's pretty annoying. There may be problems with the phone turning on, unlocking or dialing accidentally because of the touch screen too. BTW, I didn't buy the razr either. I bought a krzr because well, it was blue and pretty. I'll buy an iphone later. Best advice...wait.
Well, I'll be buying my iPhone in Nelson, BC, where there won't even be a line ...
i can't speak for the iphone, but don't get the razr!
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