You forgot the S Savage.

the cops are pissed the charges were dropped. they had these guys dead to rights.

Total sickness.

Whatever. To paraphrase Homer Simpson: necrophilia is a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark.

Mommy Mommy! We want to go play with grandma!

IF YOU DIG HER UP ONE MORE TIME...

This reminds me of that scene from Fletch II when he's in the prison cell with Randall Tex Cobb:

Fletch: "What are you in for?"

Cobb: "Molesting a dead horse."

Fletch: "There certainly is no crime against that. I've been trying to cut down myself."

I agree sex with a person's dead body should be against the law. Even though she was dead, it still seems like a form of rape to me. I'd be enraged if this happened to someone I knew.

But sex with animals? Frankly, it's none of the state's business. As far as kinks go, scat is far more disgusting than bestiality, and there is no law against playing with poop. As for the PETA retards who insist that animals can't consent, bullshit. Animals can say "yes" or "no" in many ways - biting, scratching, kicking, running away, freaking out, wagging their tail, getting an erection, etc. Horses agree to have sex with other horses, and they can just as easily agree to have sex with the right guy. And if a dog can consent to having his head scritched, he can damn well consent to having his balls scritched as well. They are his balls, after all, not PETA's.

Sometimes "yeesh" sums it all up for me pretty well.

So that's why Jeffrey Dahmer lived in Milwaukee.

I am sorry, Sean, but animals are not capable of giving consent for sexual relations. True, the animal can fight, etc. but it cannot give positive consent for sex. For this reason, if not for myriad others, bestiality is wrong and should be prohibited - at the very least to protect animals from abuse.

Sean, your arguments are no different than those made by NAMBLA and other paedophile groups who claim that children can give consent for sex, when clearly they cannot. By no means am I accusing you of being a paedophile or a supporter of paedophilia, but I would encourage you to think through your logic one more time and hopefully you will see what I am talking about.

Now, as to necrophilia that too is a situation where the corpse cannot give consent. While the corpse is no longer living, in our culture we treat the dead with respect and certainly having strangers (or even family members) dig up the body of a dead person for the purpose of having sex with it is wrong and should be prohibited. There are laws in most states against desecration of a corpse, which should easily cover necrophiliacs. Wisconsin should quickly amend its laws to address this situation.

Of course, creamation usually makes this sort of thing a moot point. :)

Having sex with a dead body is not rape. It's not a person anymore - it can't be traumatized, it can't be hurt, and it can't become pregnant or contract a disease. It's the equivalent of having sex with a steak. A sexy, lady-shaped steak. The only place this gets hazy is if the person is just recently deceased and is able to be resuscitated. If they were dead, but are then brought back to life, then having sex with them during that dead time would be rape, as they are afterwards subjected to the consequences of rape and feelings of being violated.

Same with that story about the guy who had sex with a dead deer a while back. That is literally a victimless crime - the only thing that should be prosecutable is public indecency, because I believe he was on the side of the road. Stupidity has yet to be outlawed, so he can't be charged with being an idiot who sexes up a deer on the side of the road.

Good post, Jonathan. Animals suffer enough abuse at the hands of humans, must they be coerced into having sex, too?

but...but it's sooooo grooooosssssss. And it can cause serious emotional damage to the living relatives and loved ones of the deceased. We have burial rites for a reason, so I think the law should protect our dead. Not to mention the health issues; again, burial is a way to protect the living from all the deadly bacteria that loves rotting flesh. As for the dead deer...also grooooossssss!!! but...uhm....i guess there really is no harm in it. except it's really really gross.

oh, that was about fucking dead people, not live animals.is there a moral difference between animals fucking humans and humans fucking animals? the enumclaw guy got off (har har) because the prosecutors couldn't prove any signs of animal abuse. the horses were juust fiine in the eyes of the law, and i bet these lawyers tried really hard to prove some sort of abuse.

@11. Oddly enough, I believe that case of the man having sex with a dead deer on the side of the road (necrophiliac bestiality!) happened in Wisconsin....

I think the steak analogy works. But dammit, I don't want people having sex with my dead relatives just like I don't want them having sex with my steak. I can have them arrested for having sex with my steak, can't I? Or my fridge? If we can't make necrophilia a crime in its own right, can it be a crime just for damaging personal property, as disrespectful as it is to call a person's body "personal property"? Does anyone legally own a corpse?

Too bad Jerry Falwell won't be buried in WI - there'd be a line around the block...

It seems to me that the 3 men could at least be sent for a psychiatric work-up. There is just something not right about wanting to have sex with a corpse. That is seriously twisted. (so is wanting to have sex with an animal)

I hope they brought some Viagra with them. It would have been a pity to go through all that trouble to loose it.

You guys are seriously fucked up. And Hilarious!

Seriously...

"A sexy, lady-shaped steak". Awesome.

@13/14: Of course it's gross, but gross shouldn't equal illegal. Some people think anal sex is gross. Some people think eating eggs is gross. "Gross" is a personal defense mechanism against doing things that could be harmful, but some people's idea of "gross" shouldn't be codified into law if the only thing harmed is someone's moral sensibilities.

I think one issue with being fucked by the horse is that someone had to arouse that horse - the horse cannot "consent" to being given the hand-job that exites it to the point that it is able to penetrate a man.

Really, though, I think the whole idea of animals not being able to "consent" to sex with people is ludicrous and hypocritical. A horse can't "consent" to being tied up to a cart or ridden around on either - unless you consider the horse not fighting against being tied to a cart or ridden to be a form of implicit consent. And if that's consent, well, then not bucking or moving away while being engaged in sex acts can also be construed as consent, can't it? Why is sex a bigger deal than labor? I would be just as against being enslaved as I would be against being raped, personally.

@16: No one owns a dead body. It is my understanding that no one *can* own a dead body, and it cannot be considered property.

You can have someone arrested for having sex with your steak on your property - that's trespassing - or for committing a sex act in front of you against your will - that's sexual battery - but if they remove your steak from your house and have sex with it away from you, well, that's just stealing, and you're not entitled to anything beyond reparation for the cost of the meat, regardless of how it was abused. Maybe in a civil court you could get something for "pain and suffering" if you can prove "mental anguish" over the molestation of your steak, but that's not a criminal matter. Same for your dead relative, except for in states that have decided to be the "gross" police and make it illegal.

@21,

And yet, the inheritor of the dead person's estate is often the only person with any say over what to do with the body -- assuming that burial instructions aren't specified in the will.

Beyond just the eww factor, government has an interest in protecting public health. If a man fucks a dead body, he's putting himself and any person he comes in contact with at serious risk of many nasty diseases.

ok so the creepiest thing about this to me is.....THREE of them colluded to do this together.
yikes! Random psychos are everywhere but how do three necrophiliacs find each other?
ugh.

Takes different strokes to move the world.

I feel sympathy for the necrophilia fetishists, personally. I don't think they woke up one day and decided that raping corpses was cool, but rather they slowly (probably with help from the interwebs) came to realize that regular guys and gals just didn't get their blood flowing; they had to be cold, dead, and/or decomposing in order for them to get off.

I think I've read in Dan's column before that there just isn't any one explanation for why and how fetishes manifest themselves for different people. It's a gamble for all of us whether or not we turn out liking cocks and clits, or blood and stiffs. I consider my own relatively sanctioned fetishes to be a blessing when I consider that I could have wound up one of the poor wretches over at beastgays.com OR ever one of these necrophiliacs who has to explain to their friends and family that they got arrested for attempting to stick their penis in a cadaver because, "surprise!" that's what turns them on.

I'm not for necrophilia, by the way, I just feel bad for those poor cursed people.

Maybe some fetishists and kink-friendly people would be willing to donate thier bodies to necrophilacs, much as some people donate thier bodies to science when they die. The dead people don't mind, the families can't complain (they can, but if it's what the deceased wanted..) and necrophiliacs get to bang corpses freely and without guilt (rainbows and unicorns!).

Well, since fellating the dead is not a crime in Wisconsin, someone send John McCain there, since he can't utter a sentence without slurping on Falwell's rod one more time.

As to fetishes and laws, shit, I can't even get over being squicked by furries, let alone people who really want to get it on with livestock, living or dead. How the fuck do you get aroused by something dead? Or something four-legged and only marginally sentient? Is it evidence of some deeper pathology? Or are these just pathetic losers that know this is the closest they're ever going to get to pussy?

@22: The health risk is not that much different than fucking a live person: http://www.burknet.com/robsfantasy/section11b.html. Apparently, you can also catch TB, if the dead person had it: http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20000101190501data_trunc_sys.shtml. But, TB is obviously more frequently transmitted between living hosts.

If the government's interest in protecting public health is so far-reaching that the things a person can catch from a dead body are legislatable, then we should also outlaw swimming in lakes and touching doorknobs. Laws against necrophilia are not about physical health - they're about the "ick" factor. Look, I'm not not pro-fucking dead people, in fact reading that first website made me feel ill, however it's a stupid thing to make a law against. Laws against disturbing graves? Fine. Society in general has an interest in not having to re-bury the dead all the time. But a law against sexual congress with the dead, specifically, is overreaching. It's about the application of morals on others, not order and safety.

(Whoops, those links don't work, because I added a period. So if you want to read some vomit-inducing anecdotes about homemade cadaverection machines, copy/paste without the last period.)

I don't know if other animals can really 'consent' to sex with a human, but a horse can always say 'neigh!'...

(sorry)

Isn't Charles due to cover this?

Julie,

You are correct the case where a man was arrested for having sex with a dead deer happened in Wisconsin. He was found guilty (I do not remember the charge) so I guess only animal necrophilia is illegal?

odd...

This is the BY FAR the most hilarious comments string i have ever read.

I think animal necrophilia is illegal in Wisconsin but not in Michigan: a dead dog is not an animal and therefore cannot be violated against its will

Jesus Christ...lololol Ball-Eating festivals, no law against necrophilia. Wisconsin looks GREAT today.

@10:
You are missing some important distinctions between sex with animals and sex with kids.

Child molestation (at the hands of an adult or another child) has been shown to be psychologically damaging. No one has demonstrated that animals suffer trauma from sexual contact with humans or other animals. If anything, research has shown the opposite.

Sex isn't a natural part of kids' repertoire. Kids may be curious and occassionaly engage in light sex play, left on their own they almost never have sex with each other. They just aren't ready for it physically or psychologically.

Adult animals, in contrast, fuck all the time. You might even say they fuck like animals. Sex is more than just natural for them, it's a biological imperative.

Generally speaking, equating children with animals is kind of funny sometimes, but it's otherwise pretty stupid.

@25: The problem with this idea is that I think the family would still have the power to veto the deceased's wishes. I know with organ donation, you can mark yourself down as an organ donor, but if that's really not what your relatives want, they can refuse to let it happen. And you're dead, so no power there.

About necrophilia--how about some respect for the dead? I was taught it was wrong even to walk across someone's grave, let alone dig them up and have sex with them. Other fetishists (adult babies, furries, etc) roleplay because they can't fulfill their fantasies in real life. Why can't necrophilias find like-minded fetishists and role-play too? Or pay for a professional to role-play with them? It's not that necrophilia hurts the dead in a literal sense, or that it is disrespectful to the family (although it is, but only if they find out). It's that it goes against all our moral sanctions providing boundaries between the living and the dead, without which it would be hard for anyone on this earth to find peace in the aftermath of mourning. We need rituals, and respect for the dead, so that we can get over loss and go on with our lives normally. There's a reason people get so squicked out over necrophilia. It's because it threatens to disrupt the order that keeps people sane after they've lost a loved one.

No, the thing is that a person has control over their own body. Even when you're dead, they can't so much as take your heart for someone on the donor list without your consent (still, of course, from when you were living). So that consent issue, hypothetically, might be negated by a previous ok from a dying person. (The chance of which, of course, approaches nill) Still disgusting.

Oh, and the other thing. If they make it a crime, what happens to the legality of sex toys made out of animal parts? I mean, leather and such toys. Does that get classfied illegal? Or does it have to be the whole animal? If so, could some weirdo hack up the animal first and get around the law?

@36: If you sign up for the donor registry, it actually trumps the wishes of your living relatives, while just checking "yes" for organ donation on your driver's license can be overturned. So, I suppose, if there was a necrophilia registry, it could do the same thing. at least the dead wouldn't be disturbed, although it opens up a whole new can of worms. the organization of the whole deal would be horrendous. monumental. as for role-play, they already do. i heard of a guy who had his girlfriend sit in a bathtub full of ice before sex. so, i think we probably should punish the stupid necrophiliacs who run around ripping up graves, since the good ones stay at home and figure out a more creative outlet.

"It's a shame she died a virgin."

"Yep... but at least she won't be buried as one!"

- from the utterly disgusting webcomic "Look What I Brought Home"

you can so own a dead body! museums own mummies and a few even own the preserved corpses of old time sideshow "freaks", and michael jackson allegedly owns the bones of the elephant man.

And the the enumclaw guy "got off" because he's dead. because horse cock tore his anus. because horse cock shouldnt go in a human's anus. Some laws are in existance to protect stupid perverts from killing/hurting themselves.

sexy lady shaped steak is gold though.

@16: I'm no legal scholar, but I think the answer is no, nobody can "own" a corpse. It seems to me that the party legally in possession of the deceased's body would be referred to as something like the body's "custodian."

What's important is not who owns the body, but that the necrophiliac in question does NOT. Since it would be wrong for me to steal and use your dildo, it would be wrong of me to steal and use your body, so necrophelia should be prohibited as theft.

Now, if someone were to go so far as to specify in a will that he or she consents to be ploughed from across the great divide, then I suppose we'd have to get over the ick factor and just hum "la-la-LA-LA-LA" to ourselves very loudly.