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Wednesday, May 16, 2007

And So the Apologist Bullshit Begins

posted by on May 16 at 9:44 AM

I’ve linked the apologist bullshit below.

It’s a joint press release from Sound Transit and RTID hyping their joint ballot measure.

The local Sierra Club has already blasted this thing for its counterintuitive strategy of making transit expansion dependent on roads expansion. (Can I have a milkshake with that salad? A $7 billion milkshake.)

If there’s one thing Rep. Frank Chopp (D-43) and I agree on (he told me outright at the beginning of last session that he wanted to decouple light rail and RTID) it’s this: a joint ballot measure combining massive roads expansion with light rail is mangled politics rather and smart policy.

If enviro opposition doesn’t kill this thing, neighborhood activists just might.

According to Seattle Sen. Ed Murray (D-43), pro-transit neighbors along the 520 corridor are going to be so upset by RTID’s plans along 520 that their NIMBYism will outweigh their progressive leanings, and an important Seattle bloc—the very voting bloc that road warriors were trying to win over by combining their measure with a transit measure—will vote against the package.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE — May 15, 2007

Governor Approves Joint “Roads & Transit” Ballot Measure Legislation
Action clears key hurdle for November vote

Seattle, WA – The region’s transportation leaders praised Gov. Chris Gregoire today for signing into law legislation moving forward the region’s first integrated transportation proposal for reducing congestion and improving mass transit service.

The action streamlines the Roads & Transit ballot measure that is on track to go before voters in King, Pierce and Snohomish counties in November.

“This legislation gives voters a clear choice on doing something about transportation,” said Sound Transit Board Chair and Pierce County Executive John Ladenburg. “Gov. Gregoire and the Legislature are to be thanked for their partnership in enabling a historic transportation vote that will shape our lives for decades to come.”

The bill simplifies the November Roads & Transit election, presenting central Puget Sound voters with a single question on whether they want to approve a plan that both expands mass transit and makes needed road improvements throughout the region.

Extensive public input shows that citizens want a combined, integrated and coordinated plan that makes improvements to our region's transportation system.

“Tackling our traffic problems is a top priority,” said Gov. Gregoire. “The Roads & Transit measure gives voters a chance to approve a comprehensive package of improvements that will help keep people and our economy moving for generations.”

If enacted, the plan calls for dramatic new investments to build 50 additional miles of light rail and make significant highway to manage congestion and to repair earthquake vulnerable bridges, to build more park and ride lots, add more frequent express bus service and improve commuter rail facilities.

“This bill sends the right message – that we need both road improvements and transit solutions to fix our transportation problems. Voters will have a clear choice in November to do something about the traffic we have to deal with everyday,” said Regional Transit Investment District Chair and Pierce County Council Member Shawn Bunney.

The legislation revises the previous voting framework under which the Sound Transit and RTID projects would be voted on separately, with the requirement that voters would have to pass both packages for either to take effect. Under the new law people will vote once on the Roads & Transit plan. The votes will be counted once within the Sound Transit District and once within the RTID District, which extends further north into Snohomish County. The measure will take effect if it passes in both districts. The area that falls outside the Sound Transit district will only pay for the roads projects.

The Roads & Transit Plan: An Investment in Our Region’s Future

The Roads & Transit package will present to voters a unified program of investments in freeways, light- and commuter-rail, HOV lanes, park/ride lots, and express and local bus service. Key features include:
· Reduction in traffic delays
· Faster travel times
· 50 miles of new light rail adding service to Bellevue, Redmond, Mercer Island, Des Moines, Federal Way, Fife, Tacoma, Northgate, Shoreline, Mountlake Terrace, Lynnwood and the 164th Street area of Snohomish County.
· Major improvements to “highways of regional significance” and chokepoints- I-5, I-405, SR 167, SR 9, SR 509, US 2, SR 522
· 10,000 new park-and-ride stalls
· New HOV lanes
· Bike lanes, side walks, better connections
· Major freight routes improved

More information on the projects is available at www.roadsandtransit.org.

Since last summer the region’s residents have voiced strong support for the joint Roads & Transit approach. Over the course of conducting two series of public meetings throughout the region Sound Transit and RTID received more than 8,000 public comments. Two surveys of the public conducted by the Sound Transit confirm this support, and also the public’s desire for a package that is big enough to help catch up from years of underinvestment. Public support was highest for the options that made the highest level of investment.

Together, the Sound Transit projects and the draft RTID projects would invest $17.6 billion (2006$) in the region’s mobility. They would be paid for by increasing the region’s sales tax by 0.6 of one percent (six cents on a $10 purchase) and car tab taxes by 0.8 percent ($80 per $10,000 of vehicle value).

After the RTID projects are finalized they will be advanced for Snohomish, Pierce and King county councils’ approval. With their endorsements, they will be placed on the ballot for voters to consider in November 2007. Sound Transit has adopted final transit projects and is scheduled to place them on the ballot in June.

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Light rail construction is well under way. We’ll be riding to and from Downtown and SeaTac Airport shortly. Now the projects are coming in on time and under budget (as the squeaky-clean audits PROVE). The taxes never have been raised. Thousands of GHG-emitting vehicles are being displaced. Transportation professionals now are in charge of planning, and it would be a waste to break their momentum. The First Hill Trolly will be paid for, and operated by City Government. We can build on all these successes in November!

Posted by we_need_real_transit | May 16, 2007 9:59 AM
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Josh, let's get our logic straight here...

If you're going to argue how wrong it is to link Sound Transit 2 with RTID, then argue how wrong the roads package itself is. But don't use some 520-bordering neighborhoods' NIMBYism (as you yourself described it) as a condemnation. That's an argument why the package would lose, not why it should lose.

Posted by cressona | May 16, 2007 10:08 AM
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Is it wrong/evil/galling/appalling/seedy/sleazy that Sound Transit 2 has to have the RTID albatross hanging from its neck? Yeah, no kidding. Newsflash: life is unfair.

Sorry, but, as someone who wants to see mass transit get built, I don't wish to view the ballot through that perspective. The question for me is twofold:

  • Does the evil of the roads component (whatever evil there is) outweigh the good of the light rail component?
  • If the ST2/RTID package does go down in flames, what are the prospects of ST2 going to the ballot on its own?

Considering what a hostile place Olympia is to mass transit -- even Ed Murray apparently has designs on derailing light rail expansion -- I'm wouldn't hold my breath that the state legislature is going to let ST2 go to the ballot unencumbered and just let their beloved roads rot by the wayside. At this point, I'm really feeling like a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush (forgive the expression, animal lovers out there).

Posted by cressona | May 16, 2007 10:26 AM
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From Josh Feit, the man who cheerleaded for the Monorail, he's latest wisdom on transportation policy.

Fair and balanced. He's Fox News on the left, Geraldo live.

Posted by Trusting Josh Feit | May 16, 2007 10:46 AM
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I'm wondering if these highway projects -- which are all expansions or retrofits of existing highways -- can take some of the oomph away from the perennial struggle to build a new Cascade Foothills Freeway, far to the east of I-405. That would be ten times the disaster this package is. Maybe that's a silly concern, I don't know.

My fear is, of course, that if you separate them, the transit portion won't win. I have to admit, though, the idea of greatly enlarging State Route 9 -- desperately desired as it is by most SnoCo residents -- terrifies me. It's already a huge engine for sprawl.

Posted by Fnarf | May 16, 2007 10:59 AM
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This is a repeat of 1996, when a super colossal regional rail ballot measure went down in flames. They came back with a smaller package in 1997 and it passed.

This is more serious. Next year is the state election year, so there won’t be another package until 2009 at the earliest.

Read the ballot measure very, very carefully. In 1997 the Sound Transit measure was written so that they didn’t really have to build what they advertised during the election campaign.

The Sound Transit flyers says

• 164th SW/Ash Way in Snohomish County in the north
• Downtown Tacoma in the south
• Microsoft Campus in Redmond in the east, downtown Redmond if funding is available

This sounds great, but what are they legally committing to?

Posted by BB | May 16, 2007 11:05 AM
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I don't think you understand how things work, Josh. Setting the transit part of the joint ballot measure probably kills the transit end dead. The state probably marginalizes and maybe even eliminates the transit funding, if it's made as its own measure.

Quit stirring shit up out of urbanist pride and let these people do their jobs.

Posted by Gomez | May 16, 2007 11:26 AM
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Ed Murray is no friend to transit. The guy joined forces with Cheryle Plfug to kill light rail across I-90 last session.

Find a new transit hero to worship Josh.

And if Kemper Freeman and the Sierra Club represent the opposition to this plan, then I think it will be just fine with the other 2 million voters in the middle who want to be able to get around this region easier.

Posted by hiya | May 16, 2007 11:33 AM
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"According to Seattle Sen. Ed Murray (D-43), pro-transit neighbors along the 520 corridor are going to be so upset by RTID’s plans along 520 that their NIMBYism will outweigh their progressive leanings, and an important Seattle bloc—the very voting bloc that road warriors were trying to win over by combining their measure with a transit measure—will vote against the package."

So--the same Ed Murray who sponsored the marriage between roads and transit in the first place and hasn't directed any sizeable state money to 520 now says it will sink the package? What plans is he talking about? The state is supposed to pay for the replacement of STATE ROUTE 520. They are not doing this. The RTID is supposed to cover the cost of the additional HOV/transit lane each way on a new bridge.

Ed doesn't bother to really involve himself in the operations of either ST or the RTID. That is why he dreams up stupid ideas like marrying roads and transit.

But now that we are stuck with Ed's stupid idea, lets take a look at it.

RTID--this is a big roads package, make no mistake. However, the Sierra Club is the only major environmental organization to oppose it yet. Other enviros are working to include managed lanes, congestion pricing, transit mitigation and more to the RTID plan. My personal attitude is that I can stomach this roads plan as long as it is the last of its type we ever build in the region.

ST 2--BB represents the type of narrow-minded ST haters in this region who are stuck somewhere in 1999. When ST passed in 1996 they created an agency from scratch. The staff and board lacked the maturity to make good financial decisions. But for the last five years or so, ST has become one of the better government agencies around and their excellent bond rating s reflect that. ST 2 is a balanced regional package that will build the spine for future expansion through the region.

This is our best chance to pass transit in this region. Those who say it is good enough need to realize that waiting another two years to go to the ballot will only drive up costs and ensure less gets built.

Josh can oppose Roads and Transit if he wishes. No seems to be the safe position for The Stranger after their over-the-top cheerleading for the failed monorail. But saying that it is not good enough is what stopped us from building transit in this region in the last 30 years. If you like the status quo in this region, then vote no.

Posted by Mr. Ed ain't helpful | May 16, 2007 11:34 AM
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Seattle - soon to be just like the other moron cities of the West, growing fast with lots of roads: L.A., Phoenix, Las Vegas - Yay! It's gonna be so awesome, you'll all be MOBILE! And you'll be living in a shithole.

Posted by Grant Cogswell | May 16, 2007 11:46 AM
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I know you don't want to spend your money on roads, but there are even more people out there who don't want to spend their money on transit. This may be the only way to get them to vote for it.

Posted by Angry Andrew | May 16, 2007 11:49 AM
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The other thing about transit, is once enough of this shit is built, people will ove it and be so excited about it they will want ot build more.

Look at BART in the Bay Area. They have more than double the track length of it in the time after it was built, and there is talk of expanding it even farther south and up into Marin.

Posted by Angry Andrew | May 16, 2007 11:52 AM
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Hiya @8, "Mr. Ed ain't helpful" @9, great posts. It's a shame our state legislature has evolved from Republicans like Jim Horn who are out-and-out transit opponents to Democrats like Ed Murray who are stealth transit opponents. I cannot understate my fear of what meddling Murray will try next year if this ballot measure fails this year.

Posted by cressona | May 16, 2007 12:02 PM
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I love how Grant has made the conversion from urbanist crusader to Slog troll.

Posted by Gomez | May 16, 2007 12:09 PM
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Grant Cogswell: Seattle - soon to be just like the other moron cities of the West, growing fast with lots of roads: L.A., Phoenix, Las Vegas - Yay! It's gonna be so awesome, you'll all be MOBILE! And you'll be living in a shithole.

Let's see, 50 miles of new, largely grade-separated fixed-rail transit. If that's your idea of a shithole, Grant, good for you. Keep enjoying that fresh, clean air in Mexico City.

It's comments like this that remind me of a great line by historian Walt Crowley from a story on the culture clash surrounding the viaduct campaign:

"The local leftist distrust of big capital and land use projects goes back to Metro and Forward Thrust. The counterculture left actually opposed light rail in 1968 and 1970, proposing bridle trails instead (I kid you not). The aim of creative government should be to expand the commonwealth for all classes."

Y'know, if this election is going to bring out a debate between the pragmatists and the fundamentalists, the Gores and the Naders, among transit supporters, I'm really looking forward to it. Because I'm really looking forward to striking a mortal blow to the old Seattle utopian school that never met a transit system that was perfect enough to actually build.

Posted by cressona | May 16, 2007 12:13 PM
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Because I'm really looking forward to striking a mortal blow to the old Seattle utopian school that never met a transit system that was perfect enough to actually build.

Amen.

Posted by Angry Andrew | May 16, 2007 12:16 PM
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IMHO,
Better to vote yes and try to steer things in a positive direction at the project level. For instance, the new lanes on 405 could be managed lanes, per the corridor plan.

Why aren't we committing to a seperated four lane inner HOT/BRT roadway along 405? This is how Maryland is widening I-95. Free for the bus and the 3+, variable tolls for the single driver and trucks to keep things moving. With direct ramps and flyer stations (most already built), this could enable rail-quality BRT along 405 and fill a big gap in the ST2 rapid transit network.

Similarly, a promise to complete HOV/freight lanes from the 1st South Bridge to I-5 along the new 509 would create a new alternative to I-5 for freight and HOVs. Especially if combined with HOV lanes along the new viaduct or surface road to access downtown.

But suggesting this project should fail because of 520 NIMBYism is the most ass-backwards thing I've ever heard. How will that plan be any different if this goes down? The four lane alternative makes no sense. It costs 700 mil a lane, the Pacific St alterative costs 730 mil a lane. All the added capacity is transit/HOV, connecting to a major rail station. What's not to like?


Posted by Some Jerk | May 16, 2007 2:03 PM
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Josh is right, as anyone who attended last night's 43rd District Dems (you know, the district that has 520 in it ...) can attest.

RTID - it's what's going DOWN ...

But I predict ST will handily pass, which means a revote later once they ditch the unworkable RTID with it's less than 40 percent funding of the critical 520 bridge rebuild.

Posted by Will in Seattle | May 16, 2007 2:14 PM
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Will@18

How will you know about the ST/RTID split? The state legislature just gave them permission to write one ballot title. The RTID was never supposed to pick up the state's portion of 520, just the cost of the HOV/transit lanes.

It is a state highway. One thinks that perhaps Mr. Ed should have delivered more than one-eighth of the cost of the replacement in the state budget over the last few years.

Posted by Mr. Ed ain't helpful | May 16, 2007 2:22 PM
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Will doesn't bother with the facts. He has a lot of opinions he'd like you to take interest in.

Will thinks the region revolves around the 43rd district. he thinks those buildings (jobs and dense housing) going up on the other side of the lake are just a reflection of the Seattle skyline off the clouds. he doesn't get out much and doesn't know much about transportation.

some jerk @17 is absolutely right.

Speaking of 520.
520 is in Ed Murray's district right?

Sooooo....ah color me purple, but why doesn't Ed show some leadership and advocate for a project a makes sense? He is the Vice Chair of the Senate Transportation Committee. He oversees WSDOT. What am I missing here?

And while Ed is at it, why doesn't he show some leadership with regard to pricing?

Posted by art | May 16, 2007 2:53 PM
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@18,

"Josh is right" ....

???

Now hold on. I didn't say neighborhood activists would kill the package. I said they just might ... as a segue into Murray's theory... not mine.

I don't know what's going to happen. At the moment, I'd put my money on the package passing in Nov. And that's what gets my goat.

Posted by Josh Feit | May 16, 2007 3:08 PM
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So the state only put $500 M of approx $4B needed to replace the 520 bridge -- a state roadway -- and now legislators are complaining the region is not covering the balance!

There's an old saying in politics about putting the turd in someone else's pocket. That's exactly what happened here.

Posted by @69 | May 16, 2007 3:54 PM
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right on 69

this region gold plated roads in eastern wa for 20 years with our gas taxes and now Ed Murray wants to let the state off the hook in funding the transit improvements to 520 (bike lanes, HOV). His package only set aside $500 m for this $4.4 billion project. That's like taking your girlfriend out to dinner and picking up the tax and leaving her to cover the bill and the tip.

Posted by ted | May 16, 2007 4:07 PM
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The legislators like rail transit, but Sound Transit is unaccountable and poorly-run. That's why SB 5803 passed the Senate overwhelmingly, and why it passed out of the House Transportation Committee. The upcoming ballot measure has the deck stacked against it. WHEN it is not approved, there will be the necessary political cover for something like the "SB 5803" model, and we'll go on from there. It is best for the future that way.

Posted by just sayin' | May 16, 2007 5:19 PM
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Cressona: "Because I'm really looking forward to striking a mortal blow to the old Seattle utopian school that never met a transit system that was perfect enough to actually build."

Just sayin': "Sound Transit is unaccountable and poorly-run."

There ya go, then. The thing is, Just sayin', accountability doesn't matter if you HAVE NOTHING TO BE ACCOUNTABLE ABOUT. Which is what you're asking for. Oh dear, oh dear, it's "poorly run". Well, guess what? The MTA in New York City is poorly run, too, and it carries how many million passengers a day? We need to get the fucking thing built. That is the ONLY thing that matters. Whether the project's finances and governance end up looking as pretty as a crocheted cottage on a toilet paper roll or not doesn't matter. Fifty years from now, no one will give a shit anyways. They WILL give a shit if your complaints that they were going to spend too much on office furniture ended up killing their transit possibilities, though.

Posted by Fnarf | May 16, 2007 7:02 PM
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This press release IS kind of bullshit:

“Extensive public input shows that citizens want a combined, integrated and coordinated plan that makes improvements to our region's transportation system.”

ST doesn’t want a combined plan. Duh. It wants to go alone to the ballot. Seattle voters will vote for transit way over roads. ST paid for two polls ($100K) with questions that showed the public would prefer transit only, over roads and transit (or roads alone). Now it puts out a press release saying "combined" is good? Not.

Plus, ST completely was behind the new bill (1396) that allows the Supreme Court to sever the two before the election.

ST’s press release says the public wants combined, but EVERYTHING ST is doing shows ST wants to go alone to the voters in November.

Posted by Howser | May 16, 2007 7:43 PM
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I can't believe I'm getting in the habit of saying, "Well-stated, Fnarf," but really, well-stated, Fnarf.

Y'know, the easy point I could make is that the same folks who keep repeating the "Sound Transit is poorly run" mantra would be repeating it just as vociferously regardless of whether Sound Transit is the best-run government agency in the country or the worst-run agency in the country. Their issue is not with Sound Transit's performance; their issue is with Sound Transit's mission. Which is why you don't hear the same crowd going on and on about how poorly WSDOT is run. WSDOT could be the best-run transit agency in the country, but that has nothing to do with it whether they wish to slap it around.

But here's the deeper point I would make, and this really is a variation on Fnarf's point. Imagine that, when FDR declared war on the Axis powers, some "lesser United States" isolationist raised the question, "Do we really have any guarantee that we can defeat the Axis? Do we really know that we can win this war without unacceptable loss of life? How can we be sure there won't be all kinds of crazy war profiteering?" Well, we don't.

You want to know about inefficiency? Stalin did a horrific job defending the Soviet Union against the Nazis. Of the 20 to 25 milllion Soviet citizens who died in the war, millions of those deaths can be laid at the hands of Stalin and his incompetence and inhumanity. But was Stalin's poor leadership a reason just to lie down and let the Nazis waltz in and annex Russia? Was American's skepticism of Big Deal big government a reason not to defend the free world against fascism? Uh, tough question.

If you don't want something, be a man and say you don't want it. But -- and this goes back to my original point -- don't use this selective expectation of poor execution as your excuse. The question is, do we need to build transit that's a competitive alternative to autos and auto-dependent development, or do we not need to build it?

Ultimately, World War II wasn't FDR's war; it was our war. And ultimately, these transportation projects are not Sound Transit or WSDOT's transportation projects; they're our transportation projects. And if any of you think I'm going over the top with a World War II analogy, I can tell you that climate change and Islamic fascism and nuclear terrorism and peak oil are a combination of threats that could easily eclipse old-fashioned 20th century fascism.

Posted by cressona | May 16, 2007 7:57 PM
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cressona: "But was Stalin's poor leadership a reason just to lie down and let the Nazis waltz in and annex Russia? Was American's skepticism of Big Deal big government a reason not to defend the free world against fascism?"


D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
[thinks hard]
Bluto: the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!
[runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer...
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let's do it.
Bluto: LET'S DO IT!

Posted by great film | May 16, 2007 9:06 PM
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Fnarf is right. We have to build something! Now, it doesn't matter if it costs over 60 dollars per rider per trip, such as Sounder rail. Nothing matters, we have to do something, something right now! We have to spend money on transit. It doesn't matter if it's totally ineffective. It doesn't matter if the bureaucrats who run the system lied about it's costs and schedule and ridership. It doesn't matter if the politicians that support it don't actually use it (Peter Steinbrueck is such a piece of shit, remember how he shit his pants when his council parking spot was taken away. What a fucking asshole. And what about Greg Nickels or Ron Sims. I don't think that either one of those assholes ever uses transit) we have to do something, because that's what modern American liberalism is all about, doing something, even if it's stupid, ineffective and unwanted. And if we don't build transit now then 50 years from now we'll be fighting terrorists in the streets of America.

Posted by wile_e_quixote | May 16, 2007 10:01 PM
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#27

The trickle down politics rears its ugly head.

It doesn't matter what the costs, we must build rail, any rail; therefore let the administration say anything needed to get a enough public support to move forward the correct plan, the plan of destiny. Not only that, but people in 50 years won't care whether the voters were exposed to the facts or just told the "truth". You know not too many really think about the S&L debacle but the $157 billion or so in bailout money has cost us about $750 million per year, but it was done off-budget so it didn't really count at all.

So ten years later what's $400 billion to change the world for the better, bringing democracy to our Arab brothers. Hey and if the real reason we're there is because "he tried to kill my Daddy" so what, just shut up and support the troops.

If you support the war ah ah I mean Sound Transit, just say they went way over budget or they spent more than they predicted (counting inflation) and delivered considerably less and even that part won't be done 3 to 4 years late. Admit that the chance 50 miles will be built for a total budget of $11 billion is remote. Stop telling us that we have to do something about those weapons of mass destruction - if we don't buy this plan right now the ocean will crest the downtown seawall. Sell us an honest plan. Instead of calling people that question ST names, work on explaining with specific numbers and why these numbers make sense. The fact that they won a lawsuit saying they legally could reduce scope and increase time doesn't mean they are being reasonably accurate now. They are using the same consultants now they used 15 years ago.

I think right now we should be spending money in transportation to bring down green house gases as fast as possible - the ST2 plan probaly won't reduce gases for 20 or 30 years.

We could go all out for electric cars right now. Build power stations all around - make parking easier for them - subsidize plug-ins ($11 billion could outright buy 440,000 at $25,000) - at the per mile cost of rail and associated bus connector (carbon or electric) would rail reduce gases ever and if so in how long a time period.

I know, I know. ST good. Roads bad. Must build ST2 plan now to save earth. Must be loyal to agency. Fifty years from now nobody care anyway. Feel good to help save Mother Earth.

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