Slog - Comments on Et Tu Bright Eyes? http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes Stranger Music Editor Jonathan Zwickel slipped me the new Bright Eyes album, and I was listening to it while blogging when something caused my homo ears to perk up. In the song "Hot Knives," indie heartthrob Conor Oberst sings: Give me black lights Give me hot nights On a dance floor No one tells time Yeah I've made love Yeah I've been fucked So what? One more sign that black lights, hot nights on the dance floor, and butt sex are not just for the gays anymore.... Copyright 2008 Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:05:56 -0800 Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:43:10 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Aislinn Connor has shown some ambiguity in the past:

I want a lover I don't have to love
I want a girl who's too sad to give a fuck
Where's the kid with the chemicals?
I thought he said he'd meet me here but I'm not sure
I got the money if you got the time
He said, "It feels good"
I said, "I'll give it a try"

I want a lover I don't have to love
I want a boy who's so drunk he doesn't talk
Where's the kid with the chemicals
I got a hunger and I can't seem to get full
I need some meaning I can memorize
The kind I have always seems to slip my mind

]]> Aislinn http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692598 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692598 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:11:59 -0800 Comment by Aislinn Whoops, that was all messed up. Those are two separate verses of "Lover I Don't Have to Love," and I meant to italicize it all. But you get the idea.

]]> Aislinn http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692600 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692600 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:13:52 -0800 Comment by ECB Yo, Eli--girls can fuck guys too! It's called girl-on-top sex. Your post assumes only women and homos can "get fucked," and that's totally not (Charles's claims to the contrary) true.

]]> ECB http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692608 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692608 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:15:58 -0800 Comment by garbes gotta love yr perky little homo ears

]]> garbes http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692610 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692610 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:16:35 -0800 Comment by Ryan Erica: Don't spoil the fantasy.

]]> Ryan http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692623 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692623 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:26:38 -0800 Comment by Eli Sanders Yo ECB: No, my post doesn't assume what you think it assumes. I never said I took Oberst's lyrics to mean that he'd been fucked by a guy. I only take them to mean that he's "been fucked," which is an experience that women, gay men, and an increasing number of straight men have. Whether he's "been fucked" by a woman or a man, or whether these lyrics aren't self-referential at all, I have no idea.

But what about your assumptions? Your comment assumes that we gays can't bear to share male butt sex with heterosexual couples, and can't see past our own fantasies (say, Conor Oberst getting fucked by a guy) and allow that a man who admits he's "been fucked" might have received this fucking courtesy of a woman.

Not true! We gays aren't as selfish and self-obsessed as you suggest. How dare you!

]]> Eli Sanders http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692624 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692624 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:27:25 -0800 Comment by Sam Oh snap, yo!

]]> Sam http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692630 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692630 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:31:20 -0800 Comment by Josh Feit Eli,

If ECB's wrong and you weren't assuming Oberst had been fucked by a guy... why was it your "homo" ears that perked up?

]]> Josh Feit http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692649 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692649 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:42:42 -0800 Comment by ECB Eli: Exactly! Your post refers only to BUTT sex! I'm saying vaginal sex can be girl on guy, and it doesn't have to involve pegging!

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

]]> ECB http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692650 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692650 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:43:19 -0800 Comment by burp, ooh that stinks self-promotion of the slog, we're on to plan c now i suppose

]]> burp, ooh that stinks http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692653 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692653 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:50:30 -0800 Comment by Gitai I thought Conor Oberst was openly gay. That's the impression I got from all my fellow gays. It wasn't even an implication that he was a crypto-homo, but an out and out buttfucking fag.

]]> Gitai http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692671 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692671 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:58:39 -0800 Comment by Eli Sanders Josh: You know very well how delicate my homo ears are. In addition: It's news to my homo ears any time a straight (or even straight-ish) male icon talks about having "been fucked." Would I like to imagine Oberst being fucked by a guy? What do you think? But that doesn't mean I can't imagine he's "been fucked" by a girl instead of by a guy.

ECB: I have never heard a straight man refer to vaginal sex with the woman on top as having "been fucked." Maybe I'm not hanging out with the right straight guys, but I think most straight guys refer to this with phrases like "that girl rode my cock," or some such.

So yes, I will allow that those lyrics didn't lead me to envision a woman "topping" Oberst in the way you would like to imagine. Instead, I imagined him getting "pegged" by a woman, in the event that "Yeah, I've been fucked" refers to sex with a woman.

But, really, I doubt many people aside from yourself envision girl-topping-man vaginal sex as a possible explanation for these lyrics.

]]> Eli Sanders http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692688 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692688 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:09:21 -0800 Comment by seattle98104 This semantic analysis thread is retarded. Straight man here who calls "having his cock rode" being fucked; any time i can just layback and my woman does the work, I'm being fucked.

Eli you might want to hang out with some non-self-cock worshiping straights sometime.

]]> seattle98104 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692698 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692698 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:14:25 -0800 Comment by DOUG. You're all being way too literal.

]]> DOUG. http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692710 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692710 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:26:45 -0800 Comment by inserter/insertē it's an implied vestage of language that while both people are "fucking" the one being penetrated is being "fucked", sort of akin to a sword/sheath metaphor, regardless of whose doin' the motion(that seems to be evolving a bit).. btw when both are penetrated they are both fucker and fucked.

nice that.

]]> inserter/insertē http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692712 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692712 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:27:04 -0800 Comment by inserter/insertē doh, not "whose"

"who is"

gack....

]]> inserter/insertē http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692729 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692729 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:35:37 -0800 Comment by gnossos Eli... I think your option "Maybe I'm not hanging out with the right straight guys" is the correct one.

That, or I'm hanging out with the wrong ones.

]]> gnossos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692823 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692823 Music Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:09:58 -0800 Comment by jk “That song is about an average wife, a mother character who realized that her husband has been unfaithful to her,” Oberst explained. “She goes through this metamorphosis where she has sex with a lot of people, does drugs, lives the nightlife, and eventually realizes she has to let go of her ego or what was hurting her and start a new life and shed her old existence.”

The “I’ve been fucked” line speaks from her perspective, Oberst said, not his. “But I think it’s a line that applies to a lot of us. It’s a different thing, sex and love. Sex without love is one kind of experience, and sex when you’re in love with someone is a different experience.”

http://www.thereader.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1175792020&archive=&start_from=&ucat=3&

]]> jk http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692936 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692936 Music Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:37:28 -0800 Comment by inserter/insertē "The “I’ve been fucked” line speaks from her perspective, Oberst said, not his. “But I think it’s a line that applies to a lot of us. It’s a different thing, sex and love. Sex without love is one kind of experience, and sex when you’re in love with someone is a different experience.”"


thats sweet, and creepy, mostly sweet tho...

love can and usually makes sex more complicated and fulfilling, for what its worth, and then there is sex without love which can be uncomplicated and unfulfilling, but usually not....
rowrr

]]> inserter/insertē http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692946 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c692946 Music Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:14:48 -0800 Comment by Amy Jo This discussion is probaly way over, but my staight male friends have definietely used the phrase, "she fucked the shit out of me".

]]> Amy Jo http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c693018 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c693018 Music Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:41:11 -0800 Comment by shaun YOU ARE FUCKING IDIOTS YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE"S SAYING. READ ALL THE LYRICS YOU JUDGEMENTAL BASTARDS.

]]> shaun http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c703393 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c703393 Music Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:43:01 -0800 Comment by shaun YOU ARE FUCKING IDIOTS YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE"S SAYING. READ ALL THE LYRICS YOU JUDGEMENTAL BASTARDS.

]]> shaun http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c703395 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/04/et_tu_bright_eyes#c703395 Music Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:43:10 -0800