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Thursday, April 12, 2007

Et Tu Bright Eyes?

posted by on April 12 at 15:05 PM

Stranger Music Editor Jonathan Zwickel slipped me the new Bright Eyes album, and I was listening to it while blogging when something caused my homo ears to perk up. In the song “Hot Knives,” indie heartthrob Conor Oberst sings:

Give me black lights

Give me hot nights

On a dance floor

No one tells time

Yeah I’ve made love

Yeah I’ve been fucked

So what?

One more sign that black lights, hot nights on the dance floor, and butt sex are not just for the gays anymore.

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Connor has shown some ambiguity in the past:

I want a lover I don't have to love
I want a girl who's too sad to give a fuck
Where's the kid with the chemicals?
I thought he said he'd meet me here but I'm not sure
I got the money if you got the time
He said, "It feels good"
I said, "I'll give it a try"

I want a lover I don't have to love
I want a boy who's so drunk he doesn't talk
Where's the kid with the chemicals
I got a hunger and I can't seem to get full
I need some meaning I can memorize
The kind I have always seems to slip my mind

Posted by Aislinn | April 12, 2007 3:11 PM
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Whoops, that was all messed up. Those are two separate verses of "Lover I Don't Have to Love," and I meant to italicize it all. But you get the idea.

Posted by Aislinn | April 12, 2007 3:13 PM
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Yo, Eli--girls can fuck guys too! It's called girl-on-top sex. Your post assumes only women and homos can "get fucked," and that's totally not (Charles's claims to the contrary) true.

Posted by ECB | April 12, 2007 3:15 PM
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gotta love yr perky little homo ears

Posted by garbes | April 12, 2007 3:16 PM
5

Erica: Don't spoil the fantasy.

Posted by Ryan | April 12, 2007 3:26 PM
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Yo ECB: No, my post doesn't assume what you think it assumes. I never said I took Oberst's lyrics to mean that he'd been fucked by a guy. I only take them to mean that he's "been fucked," which is an experience that women, gay men, and an increasing number of straight men have. Whether he's "been fucked" by a woman or a man, or whether these lyrics aren't self-referential at all, I have no idea.

But what about your assumptions? Your comment assumes that we gays can't bear to share male butt sex with heterosexual couples, and can't see past our own fantasies (say, Conor Oberst getting fucked by a guy) and allow that a man who admits he's "been fucked" might have received this fucking courtesy of a woman.

Not true! We gays aren't as selfish and self-obsessed as you suggest. How dare you!

Posted by Eli Sanders | April 12, 2007 3:27 PM
7

Oh snap, yo!

Posted by Sam | April 12, 2007 3:31 PM
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Eli,

If ECB's wrong and you weren't assuming Oberst had been fucked by a guy... why was it your "homo" ears that perked up?

Posted by Josh Feit | April 12, 2007 3:42 PM
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Eli: Exactly! Your post refers only to BUTT sex! I'm saying vaginal sex can be girl on guy, and it doesn't have to involve pegging!

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Posted by ECB | April 12, 2007 3:43 PM
10

self-promotion of the slog, we're on to plan c now i suppose

Posted by burp, ooh that stinks | April 12, 2007 3:50 PM
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I thought Conor Oberst was openly gay. That's the impression I got from all my fellow gays. It wasn't even an implication that he was a crypto-homo, but an out and out buttfucking fag.

Posted by Gitai | April 12, 2007 3:58 PM
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Josh: You know very well how delicate my homo ears are. In addition: It's news to my homo ears any time a straight (or even straight-ish) male icon talks about having "been fucked." Would I like to imagine Oberst being fucked by a guy? What do you think? But that doesn't mean I can't imagine he's "been fucked" by a girl instead of by a guy.

ECB: I have never heard a straight man refer to vaginal sex with the woman on top as having "been fucked." Maybe I'm not hanging out with the right straight guys, but I think most straight guys refer to this with phrases like "that girl rode my cock," or some such.

So yes, I will allow that those lyrics didn't lead me to envision a woman "topping" Oberst in the way you would like to imagine. Instead, I imagined him getting "pegged" by a woman, in the event that "Yeah, I've been fucked" refers to sex with a woman.

But, really, I doubt many people aside from yourself envision girl-topping-man vaginal sex as a possible explanation for these lyrics.

Posted by Eli Sanders | April 12, 2007 4:09 PM
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This semantic analysis thread is retarded. Straight man here who calls "having his cock rode" being fucked; any time i can just layback and my woman does the work, I'm being fucked.

Eli you might want to hang out with some non-self-cock worshiping straights sometime.

Posted by seattle98104 | April 12, 2007 4:14 PM
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You're all being way too literal.

Posted by DOUG. | April 12, 2007 4:26 PM
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it's an implied vestage of language that while both people are "fucking" the one being penetrated is being "fucked", sort of akin to a sword/sheath metaphor, regardless of whose doin' the motion(that seems to be evolving a bit).. btw when both are penetrated they are both fucker and fucked.

nice that.

Posted by inserter/insertē | April 12, 2007 4:27 PM
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doh, not "whose"

"who is"

gack....

Posted by inserter/insertē | April 12, 2007 4:35 PM
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Eli... I think your option "Maybe I'm not hanging out with the right straight guys" is the correct one.

That, or I'm hanging out with the wrong ones.

Posted by gnossos | April 12, 2007 7:09 PM
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“That song is about an average wife, a mother character who realized that her husband has been unfaithful to her,” Oberst explained. “She goes through this metamorphosis where she has sex with a lot of people, does drugs, lives the nightlife, and eventually realizes she has to let go of her ego or what was hurting her and start a new life and shed her old existence.”

The “I’ve been fucked” line speaks from her perspective, Oberst said, not his. “But I think it’s a line that applies to a lot of us. It’s a different thing, sex and love. Sex without love is one kind of experience, and sex when you’re in love with someone is a different experience.”

http://www.thereader.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1175792020&archive=&start_from=&ucat=3&

Posted by jk | April 13, 2007 12:37 AM
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"The “I’ve been fucked” line speaks from her perspective, Oberst said, not his. “But I think it’s a line that applies to a lot of us. It’s a different thing, sex and love. Sex without love is one kind of experience, and sex when you’re in love with someone is a different experience.”"


thats sweet, and creepy, mostly sweet tho...

love can and usually makes sex more complicated and fulfilling, for what its worth, and then there is sex without love which can be uncomplicated and unfulfilling, but usually not....
rowrr

Posted by inserter/insertē | April 13, 2007 2:14 AM
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This discussion is probaly way over, but my staight male friends have definietely used the phrase, "she fucked the shit out of me".

Posted by Amy Jo | April 13, 2007 8:41 AM
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YOU ARE FUCKING IDIOTS YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE"S SAYING. READ ALL THE LYRICS YOU JUDGEMENTAL BASTARDS.

Posted by shaun | April 26, 2007 5:43 PM
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YOU ARE FUCKING IDIOTS YOU DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE"S SAYING. READ ALL THE LYRICS YOU JUDGEMENTAL BASTARDS.

Posted by shaun | April 26, 2007 5:43 PM

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