Slog - Comments on Only on FOX http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking The blog Balloon Juice caught this fair and balanced moment from Fox News: Every other media outlet on the planet focused on the four counts Libby was convicted of. Leave it to Fox News to focus on his lone "not guilty."... Copyright 2008 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:23:03 -0800 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:21:04 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by him Ahh, Faux News. Always good for a laugh. "If the news is bad, change it!"

]]> him http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661403 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661403 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:29:49 -0800 Comment by Lis The text is actually correct. That was the one charge where he was found not guilty.

]]> Lis http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661404 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661404 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:29:55 -0800 Comment by him Oh, right. Although I bet they kept that up there for an inordinately long time.

]]> him http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661406 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661406 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:31:43 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle If it's Fox, it's a Lie. They wouldn't know reality if it hit them upside the head.

hmmm ... just a thought ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661409 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661409 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:37:08 -0800 Comment by Bradley Steinbacher You are right, Lis. I'm changing my post. Thanks.

]]> Bradley Steinbacher http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661414 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661414 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:40:33 -0800 Comment by zzyzx As I posted on BJ, the problem is that we don't know from this screenshot alone if they were cycling through all 5 charges or only were talking about this one.

I'm not a fan of Fox, but not because of this.

]]> zzyzx http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661448 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661448 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:01:35 -0800 Comment by golob This is almost like a contest:

"[Some] Titanic passangers arrive safely in New York."

"Elderly Man Survives Being Shot in the Face [by Vice President Dick Cheney]"

]]> golob http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661451 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661451 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:02:37 -0800 Comment by dwb War in Iraq is not another Vietnam (yet).

Some vets are not receiving substandard care.

Anne Coulter didn't call Hilary a lesbian.

Oh she did?

Anne Coulter didn't call Al Gore a total fag.

Oh she did?

Anne Coulter didn't call Muslims ragheads.

Uh huh.

Anne Coulter is a comedienne and not the iconic leader of the neocons.

]]> dwb http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661460 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661460 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:14:26 -0800 Comment by Chip Chipmunk @5: I was watching this broadcast at the time, and Fox had it right. They were cycling through the charges.

I don't see why you all are riled up about Fox. I ALWAYS see a Dem debating a Republican, such as:

Alan Combs
Jane Hall
Eleanor Clift
Myra Liason
Juan Williams
Bob Beckel
and I could go on and on - not to mention the dem politcians.

]]> Chip Chipmunk http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661619 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661619 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:05:32 -0800 Comment by Hernandez @9: your post should read

ALWAYS see a "Dem" debating a Republican...you left out those quotation marks.

]]> Hernandez http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661672 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661672 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:29:49 -0800 Comment by Chip Chipmunk @10: Yeah, like try telling Eleanor Clift she's a psuedo Republican. Puhleeeeze.

]]> Chip Chipmunk http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661679 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661679 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:34:35 -0800 Comment by COMTE That's not the point, Chip. FOX purposefully puts up milktoasty "Dems" against hard-line, far-right Republicans in an effort to skew the middle ground of any particular debate farther to the right than it would normally be.

Now, imagine for a moment the polar opposite scenario: Noam Chomsky debating Dennis Sanders, for example, and you start to get an idea of how the tactic works.

]]> COMTE http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661736 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661736 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:05:56 -0800 Comment by Chip Chipmunk Milktoasty dems like Bill Mahr on Bill O'Reilly last night? It was good television. Sorry you missed it.

Yes, FOX has a slant to the right. So what? Why is that so bad if we see good banter back and forth. It's a lot more interesting to see the sparks than see the "milktoast" debates on the other cable news networks.

]]> Chip Chipmunk http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661761 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661761 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:28:42 -0800 Comment by Angel God, oh god. A FOX fan on Slog....WOW...news all by itself.

Total shit propaganda from day one.

Lies and more lies often repeated, yes mien Fuehrer.

]]> Angel http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661847 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661847 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:51:21 -0800 Comment by longball Actually chipmunk, the FOX "slant" is to lie. It's a fact that FOX News viewers are consistantly mis-informed about agreed upon facts like Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11, etc. In this day and age the battle between liberal and conservative really has become the battle between truth and lies. Fox is the flagship of lies.

]]> longball http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661894 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661894 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:04:57 -0800 Comment by longball Actually chipmunk, the FOX "slant" is to lie. It's a fact that FOX News viewers are consistantly mis-informed about agreed upon facts like Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11, etc. In this day and age the battle between liberal and conservative really has become the battle between truth and lies. Fox is the flagship of lies.

]]> longball http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661897 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661897 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:06:54 -0800 Comment by longball i swear to GOD i only hit the Post button once. for reals!

]]> longball http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661912 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661912 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:21:21 -0800 Comment by Chip Chipmunk I find that folks that readily say it's all lies and propoganda, and so loosely, simply don't take the time get a variety of news sources much less study the issues. Actually, there not that much of a swell of opinion that Saddam was a factor in 9/11. Even Sean Hannity doesn't even think that.

It really doesn't matter what the debate is or who's saying it, is that we expose ourselves to adversarial viewpoints. That makes it interesting. I find echo chambers quite boring.

]]> Chip Chipmunk http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661949 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661949 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:33:33 -0800 Comment by golob Fox News is the mental equivalent of only drinking Coke. (To be honest, MSNBC and CNN are little different.) Screaming party lines at one another isn't "debate" or informative. It's just theater. The echo magnified until you're mentally fat and malnurished. All of the cable news networks are stripped of any sort of value or informed viewpoint.

It's vastly more worthwhile to sit through an episode Frontline, or pick up a paper -- far more interesting than a week spent watching Fox News. At least there one has the chance of learning some of the facts and gaining some basis to make a judgement...

]]> golob http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661989 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661989 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:00:58 -0800 Comment by dwb You can debate opinions but not facts. If they actually reported the facts and allowed you to decide, that would be one thing. However, cherry picking the facts in order to support a pre-decided position is quite another thing, isn't it?

A portion of the O'Reilly/Mahr interview is on C&L, and O'Reilly is bold faced lying in his claim that it's not 600,000 dead Iraqis. Of course, it's impossible to prove or disprove that more Iraqis would have died if Saddam had stayed in power. And, of course, it's completely beside the point since that wasn't the justification for invading Iraq.

]]> dwb http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661995 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c661995 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:03:44 -0800 Comment by Chip Chipmunk Golob: I agree with you. The key is variety, such as an evening reading "The Nation" and "The National Review."

Indeed, the last good debate program was probably William F. Buckley's "Firing Line" on PBS.

But, just like a cheap wine, Brit Hume debating Juan Williams on FOS is pretty good.

]]> Chip Chipmunk http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c662035 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/wishful_thinking#c662035 Media Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:21:04 -0800