Comments on The Viaduct Results!

And the citizens say: "repair and prepare".

Good for us.

They hardly say repair and prepare. They say the choices stunk.

That said, this is hardly great news. The elevated vote is far too high to convince the governor not to build the big ugly. Lets hope it drops in the coming days.

By voting no^2, I was saying, tear that shit down and give us some public space in its place.

In a parliamentary system the Government would resign and there would be new elections.

Too bad we don't have a parliamentary system.

30% tunnel + 45% elevated = 75% out of 100 want something other then nothing (i.e. Surface).

The Stranger loses again, 3 to 0. Monorail: loser. G. Cogswell for council: loser. Surface/Transit=25%: loser.

How about those that haven't been fired go back to Madison, the hippie capitol of the midwest?

Um, bob, I'm not a surface fan, but your math is wrong. Really wrong.

Wow bob, I sincerely hope you have no use for math in your daily life 'cause you're really bad at it.

90% of people like puppies and the 90% like kittens that means a million percent love hugs.

180% love pukittys!!!

bob, you flip burgers right?

But 75% of the apparently 100 people who live in Seattle love Freeways.

God I would love to see the look on bob's face right about now.

So, how is bob's math wrong, exactly? Last I checked, there wasn't a big "yes, yes" contingent. Unlike the "puppies and kittens" analogy, the tunnel and the rebuild are, by and large, mutually exclusive. Seems to me that a majority still want some sort of Viaduct replacement, even if they can't agree on the form it should take.

Not that this means anything, of course. Does anyone know how many people actually voted, anyway?

Actually I imagine there is a decent yes-yes coalition. It is not hard to believe that someone might favor the tunnel but be willing to live with a rebuild. I know many in West Seattle and Ballard who would probably think that way. the likely vote for these people is YES-YES.

In order of this to be a win for the rebuild one would have to think that at least 20% of the people who voted Yes tunnel No rebuild actually would support a rebuild despite voting against it and that is assuming there are no YES-YES votes at all.

Actually its even higher as more people voted in the rebuild election then in the tunnel.

So, wait... 125% out of 100 want to build nothing?

Whatever you may think of the surface option, it's not nothing. Perhaps it's not enough, but not enough capacity does not equal zero capacity.

@16:

That's true. I'm just glad tunnel lite is dead. If we're going to commit ourselves to failure, let's do it as cheaply as possible.

since the ballot was advisory - the rebuild won and will go forward - screams and howls of the mortally wounded

some of these people are in love with their own shadows and need to get a clue

two options, which is the less supported by voters, tunnel -- MORE SUPPORTED - REBUILD

carrie moon is a winner, she is bright and intelligent, and a potential leader if she can get her own identity going separate from the nononononononononno - doom gloom doom gloom crowd

I'm sorry, are you seriously asking "how is Bob's math wrong?

Because he's adding the two "yes" parts without adding the two "no" parts. The average of 30% and 45% is not 75%, it's 37.5%. If you can't grasp that, you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.

#18: Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true. Both the elevated and the tunnel lost the vote by a majority of the voters. The End.

FNARF, I think you’re way off. Bob’s math is dead on.

Polls have long shown Seattle voters positions have long been calcified on this issue, almost exactly the way the “yes” vote went down. Polls have place rebuild support around 48-52%, tunnel around 30%. The lower rebuild # of 44.5% is likely due to $400K being spent against it.

It’s clear voters who voted “yes” on anything did not vote “yes” twice. And the 25% who voted no/no roughly parallel poll support for surface and retrofit combined.

The result is good enough to support studying a surface alternative, and taking a breather. To say it’s the fait accompli, based on 25% no/no, is beyond ludicrous.