Slog - Comments on The Viaduct Results!

Comment by lo ryder

lo ryder — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:15:52 -0800

And the citizens say: "repair and prepare".

Good for us.

Comment by tiptoe tommy

tiptoe tommy — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:24:27 -0800

They hardly say repair and prepare. They say the choices stunk.

That said, this is hardly great news. The elevated vote is far too high to convince the governor not to build the big ugly. Lets hope it drops in the coming days.

Comment by seattle98104

seattle98104 — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:25:29 -0800

By voting no^2, I was saying, tear that shit down and give us some public space in its place.

Comment by David Sucher

David Sucher — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:29:15 -0800

In a parliamentary system the Government would resign and there would be new elections.

Too bad we don't have a parliamentary system.

Comment by bob

bob — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:34:48 -0800

30% tunnel + 45% elevated = 75% out of 100 want something other then nothing (i.e. Surface).

The Stranger loses again, 3 to 0. Monorail: loser. G. Cogswell for council: loser. Surface/Transit=25%: loser.

How about those that haven't been fired go back to Madison, the hippie capitol of the midwest?

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:37:20 -0800

Um, bob, I'm not a surface fan, but your math is wrong. Really wrong.

Comment by Chris

Chris — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:37:53 -0800

Wow bob, I sincerely hope you have no use for math in your daily life 'cause you're really bad at it.

Comment by Giffy

Giffy — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:45:59 -0800

90% of people like puppies and the 90% like kittens that means a million percent love hugs.

Comment by seattle98104

seattle98104 — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:48:09 -0800

180% love pukittys!!!

bob, you flip burgers right?

Comment by Giffy

Giffy — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:48:25 -0800

But 75% of the apparently 100 people who live in Seattle love Freeways.

Comment by gnossos

gnossos — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:50:58 -0800

God I would love to see the look on bob's face right about now.

Comment by joykiller

joykiller — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:13:58 -0800

So, how is bob's math wrong, exactly? Last I checked, there wasn't a big "yes, yes" contingent. Unlike the "puppies and kittens" analogy, the tunnel and the rebuild are, by and large, mutually exclusive. Seems to me that a majority still want some sort of Viaduct replacement, even if they can't agree on the form it should take.

Not that this means anything, of course. Does anyone know how many people actually voted, anyway?

Comment by Giffy

Giffy — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:38:23 -0800

Actually I imagine there is a decent yes-yes coalition. It is not hard to believe that someone might favor the tunnel but be willing to live with a rebuild. I know many in West Seattle and Ballard who would probably think that way. the likely vote for these people is YES-YES.

In order of this to be a win for the rebuild one would have to think that at least 20% of the people who voted Yes tunnel No rebuild actually would support a rebuild despite voting against it and that is assuming there are no YES-YES votes at all.

Comment by Giffy

Giffy — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:45:34 -0800

Actually its even higher as more people voted in the rebuild election then in the tunnel.

Comment by anti-bob

anti-bob — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:49:52 -0800

So, wait... 125% out of 100 want to build nothing?

Comment by keshmeshi

keshmeshi — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:26:43 -0800

Whatever you may think of the surface option, it's not nothing. Perhaps it's not enough, but not enough capacity does not equal zero capacity.

Comment by World Class Cynic

World Class Cynic — Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:35:08 -0800

@16:

That's true. I'm just glad tunnel lite is dead. If we're going to commit ourselves to failure, let's do it as cheaply as possible.

Comment by ed dippyC

ed dippyC — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:50:37 -0800

since the ballot was advisory - the rebuild won and will go forward - screams and howls of the mortally wounded

some of these people are in love with their own shadows and need to get a clue

two options, which is the less supported by voters, tunnel -- MORE SUPPORTED - REBUILD

carrie moon is a winner, she is bright and intelligent, and a potential leader if she can get her own identity going separate from the nononononononononno - doom gloom doom gloom crowd

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:27:49 -0800

I'm sorry, are you seriously asking "how is Bob's math wrong?

Because he's adding the two "yes" parts without adding the two "no" parts. The average of 30% and 45% is not 75%, it's 37.5%. If you can't grasp that, you shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.

Comment by what?

what? — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:53:27 -0800

#18: Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true. Both the elevated and the tunnel lost the vote by a majority of the voters. The End.

Comment by BB

BB — Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:53:07 -0800

FNARF, I think you�re way off. Bob�s math is dead on.

Polls have long shown Seattle voters positions have long been calcified on this issue, almost exactly the way the �yes� vote went down. Polls have place rebuild support around 48-52%, tunnel around 30%. The lower rebuild # of 44.5% is likely due to $400K being spent against it.

It�s clear voters who voted �yes� on anything did not vote �yes� twice. And the 25% who voted no/no roughly parallel poll support for surface and retrofit combined.

The result is good enough to support studying a surface alternative, and taking a breather. To say it�s the fait accompli, based on 25% no/no, is beyond ludicrous.