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Dude, if you're going to rip the man at least spell his name correctly. It's "Nader".

But you really should be blaming Donna Brazile!

Posted by DOUG. | March 21, 2007 8:50 AM

well, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black, mr war supporter.

Posted by konstantconsumer | March 21, 2007 8:51 AM

I can see from the comment at 2 that you can't change your mind. It must be a real blessing to have been born being right about everything.

Re: Water... you can get a home water filter and never worry about all that chlorine. Either go to Home Depot and get the GE under-the-sink filter or go to PCC and the the bulky but effective countertop model (can't remember who makes it but I used one for years without complaint).

Posted by Matt from Denver | March 21, 2007 9:03 AM

Or if you want chlorine free water you can leave it in a jug in your refrigerator with the lid off for 24 hrs.

Posted by Shea | March 21, 2007 9:23 AM

Nader voter here - you are welcome! I would do it again and might have to...

How's stopping that war going, Dem cheerleaders?
Another 100 billion on its way to his desk doesn't sound like opposition to me.

Oh thats right - withdrawl by fall 08 - another 1000 soldiers and 10,000 Iraqis can die so the Democratic Party doesn't look bad.

By the way...those subpoenas were requested. They are not being issued yet. Lets wait and see what deal is struck by the moderate, milquetoast, middle of the road democrats that dont want to appear "unpresidential."

Posted by Patrick | March 21, 2007 9:24 AM

Do you like to hear celebrities drop the F bomb?

I know I do.

Apparently, I Heart Huckabees director David O Russell has a notorious temper that he often inflicted on the cast and crew. What he didn’t count on was Lily Tomlin throwing it right back at him. She says the F word so many times it’s like she’s auditioning for a remake of Scarface.

Fave part: In the car when Lily Tomlin turns to Dustin Hoffman and tells him to “SHUT THE F*&K UP!”

Warning: This is 100% to awesome and NSFW.

Wm. Steven Humphrey, this one’s for you : )

Posted by Original Andrew | March 21, 2007 9:36 AM

Yes, bottled water is evil. If you drink the stuff regularly, stop being such a tool and just drink from the tap. It's much cheaper, creates less waste, it's more carefully inspected than bottled water, and it often has less contaminants. Just get a filter if you don't like the taste.

Re: the 13-year-old - well, if men can be dumb enough to think that spam-marketed pen!s enlargement and ED pills work, then they'll probably be dumb enough to believe the ninth grade girl wanting to hook up with their 54-year-old ass is real, too ...

Posted by tsm | March 21, 2007 9:37 AM

Seriously, the whole "let's blame Nader voters for all the ills of the past 6 years" schtick has gotten really old. Did anyone else see Gore the 2000 candidate? How about "thanks Diebold," or "thanks Supreme Court"?

Get over it, Dan. You don't see me saying "Thanks Dan Savage" every time more people die in Iraq, do you?

Posted by Levislade | March 21, 2007 9:44 AM

Levislade is right. Blaming Nader voters is lame.

Posted by Gabriel | March 21, 2007 9:47 AM

I *heart* tap water!

Posted by monkey | March 21, 2007 9:53 AM

Dan, do you have a list of local Nader politicos that we should be wary of?

Posted by Sherwin | March 21, 2007 9:57 AM

Blaming Nader voters is lame.

Blaming Nader voters (I was one) is perfectly legitimate. In retrospect I realize that the primary process basically addresses the issue I was trying to raise by voting for Nader so, whoops, my bad. Good thing I was in a state that went to Gore anyway.

The thing Dan (who, as several people have pointed out, was a vocal proponent of the war) does that's lame is, he can't shut the fuck up about the Nader voters.

Posted by John Lilburne | March 21, 2007 10:00 AM

I would definitely like to see some slog updates on the teacher getting suspended for letting pro-tolerance language into the school paper. I hope you guys stay on top of the story for us. If that principal doesn't get fired, there ought to be some major outrage. Thank goodness our legislature finally had the mind to extend first-ammendment rights to all people, including high-school students.

Posted by steve | March 21, 2007 10:00 AM

Blaming Nader voters (I was one) is perfectly legitimate.

Not really. Gore didn't own those votes. Better to blame Florida elections officials or the Supreme Court, or a million other things. People can vote for whomever they want. I personally don't see the appeal of Nader, but no third party would ever become viable if people keep blaming them. Eric Alterman is another person who's made "Thanks, Ralph" a mantra for whenever anything goes wrong, and it's just pathetic.

Posted by Gabriel | March 21, 2007 10:05 AM

Dan, do you have a list of local Nader politicos that we should be wary of?

Aww, Dan's little army.

Posted by Gabriel | March 21, 2007 10:06 AM

The entire Nader thing: I think there are a few people on Slog and the editor of The Stranger that really really should get over it. Bitch about him all you want to but if Hillary gets the nomination (and if she does I suggest mass suicide for everyone...seriously I do) but he says he will run again.

I would focus on what is coming down the pipe as opposed to what has already happened. Learn the lesson and move on.

Posted by Andrew | March 21, 2007 10:14 AM

Here's hoping one of the losers of the Republican primary runs as a third candidate.

Posted by Mike | March 21, 2007 10:33 AM

Yeah, after 6 years, it really is tired to blame Nader.

Think back, folks....Gore didn't even win his home state of Tennessee in 2000. So yeah, Donna Brazile and Gore himself certainly deserve some of the blame.

Posted by Tlazolteotl | March 21, 2007 10:40 AM

"I personally don't see the appeal of Nader, but no third party would ever become viable if people keep blaming them."

No third party will become viable as long as it appeals to about 2-3% of the population. We don't have a parliamentary system here so people do have to vote strategicly.

Posted by zzyzx | March 21, 2007 10:48 AM

Worse than Watergate? Obnoxious shady politics - yes; but worse than Nixon OK'ing the burglarizing the Democratic National Committee and then doing all the lying and subterfuge to cover it up? No way. Let's keep things in perspective and remember history accurately.

Posted by raindrop | March 21, 2007 10:52 AM

People! I may be wrong, but I think Dan writes these snarky remarks tongue-in-cheek. Sheesh!

Dan, am I right?

Posted by Mike in MO | March 21, 2007 11:00 AM

I personally don't see the appeal of Nader, but no third party would ever become viable if people keep blaming them.

That was my point about primaries-- we have a primary system that allows pretty much anyone to run for the presidency. A situation in which a candidate would have an electoral plurality but would not be able to pull ahead in one party's primary is pretty hard to imagine. And, come to that, how effective is a president going to be if he or she wins with a plurality in a three party system?

Third parties are perfectly viable in the legislature and some state executive positions, but after watching the way the 2006 primaries went I'm not sure there's any point in having a third party run for the presidency.

Posted by John Lilburne | March 21, 2007 11:01 AM

Mike in MO: this is a long-running obsession of Dan's, and I don't think it's tongue-in-cheek. He might well be doing it just to get our goat, and perhaps he's not as obsessed as he appears to be, but it's still annoying.

Posted by Levislade | March 21, 2007 11:05 AM

I vote for third parties sometimes, and of course people have a right to vote for whomever they want.

What leaves Nader voters open for criticism was their argument that there was essentially no difference between Gore and Bush -- that they were both tools of corporations, and therefore equally defective.

In retrospect, I think Nader voters probably regret that characterization, in the same way that Dan regrets his support of the war. It doesn't mean you never get to state a policy opinion again, but it does mean that you analyze your thinking and try not to make the same mistake.

Posted by MHD | March 21, 2007 11:05 AM

What? Nothing on Ichiro's TV show where he debates philosophers and scientists?

Guess you guys slept in.

Oh, and Nader is so 20th Century - just ask his comrade, Bush.

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 21, 2007 11:22 AM

does anyone else think that the 18 day gap sounds eerily like the 18 minute gap in the watergate tapes? maybe that's a good omen . . .

Posted by adam | March 21, 2007 12:35 PM

As another person who was screaming - SCREAMING - that turning one's back on Gore in 2000 would be a disaster, but was met with the Nader line that Gore wouldn't be any better than Bush - only to see Gore lose the presidency by 180 FLA votes with more than 100,000 FLA votes for Nader, I think I have every right to still be angry.

Yes, time is healing the wounds, but I agree that when Gore makes a great showing on his 1st visit back to Capitol Hill since the election that it is fine, entertaining, and important to mention it again.

Especially as the years go by and the evil doings of Bush come into ever sharper relief.

Yes - it wasn't just Nader (Gore himself coulda done better, Donna coulda done better, the Supreme Court coulda done better) but those factors are less clear cut than the mass delusional Gore=Bush mantra that Nader promulgated. Gore and Donna were giving it their best college try, and the Supremes were backed into a Konstitutional Krisis Korner that 5 of them saw no other way out of.

So I still blame Nader. And I will until the day I die.

Although I do mention it less and less as the years go by - when he gives his 1st speech on Capitol Hill and it's a great speech - you better believe I'll mention it again. And for those of you who still feel embarassed for having drunk the Nader Kool-aid, you'll just have to suck it up one more time.

Posted by Barak Gaster | March 21, 2007 1:24 PM

I think if you're a middle age man who's deluded enough to think that any 13 year old wants to have sex with you, you can be deluded enough to think that the person claiming to be 13 online really is.

When in doubt, remember, the Internet is where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents.

Posted by Gitai | March 21, 2007 1:49 PM

Not only is there an 18-day gap - all the emails that were sent by Rove - who is employed by the White House as staff - aren't on a government website and aren't retained - an obvious violation.

Dig deeper. Much deeper. Follow the rabbit.

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 21, 2007 2:21 PM

oh, and @22 - we don't use the votes in the primaries to determine actual delegates that vote for candidates in this state.

Posted by Will in Seattle | March 21, 2007 2:23 PM

Folks -- take a quick break and go eat some vegetables. I'm serious.

Posted by Lloyd Clydesdale | March 21, 2007 3:10 PM

Take your vengeance out on Nader voters in states like Florida where voting for him mattered (you can also blame the people who voted for Buchanan instead of Gore because they couldn't read the ballot correctly.

Voting for Nader in Washington State (which I admit I did in 2000) was only symbolic because Gore had the state sewn up.

Posted by elswinger | March 21, 2007 3:27 PM

#13 I share your outrage and hope to keep following this story. I wonder if in the meantime, the students can start an off-campus blog as a substitute while the "grown ups" get this worked out. Since this is taking place in the-Midwest, I admit my prejudice in thinking; the principal will win, the teacher will be fired, the newspaper will be sanitized, and, if somehow this gets to the Supreme Court, the justices will side against the Constitution.

Posted by elswinger | March 21, 2007 3:36 PM

I believe the House committee voted to issue subpoenas, but actually issuing them is another step.

Posted by R. Teeter | March 21, 2007 7:44 PM

I'm tired of this Nader-voter shit.

It's like this: Nobody in the US who didn't work in the government knew that Osama was going to attack the United States. If that event hadn't occurred, which (along with spineless Democrats) handed W. the support to go into Iraq, the decision wouldn't look as questionable in the collective 20/20 hindsight. Bush would probably have burned himself out quick and been gone in four years.

The problem that Nader-blaming idiots like Dan have to come to terms with is that the Democrats have, over the last 6 years, demonstrated exactly why the more forward-thinking liberals voted for Nader. The problem is that the Democratic party is almost entirely infested with career politicians who have no interest in any move that threatens their own political future. Say what you want about how morally and ethically wrong the Christian Right is, but they sure know how to put all their chips in the middle when the situation calls for it. That's how they win with bad ideas and Democrats lose with good ideas: balls.

I voted for Nader, and I didn't drink the Kool-ade, the people who were too spineless to vote for the best candidate did. Is anyone really dumb enough to think that Nader wasn't BY FAR the best man for the job?

Ralph has saved more lives than any of you Nader-blamers COMBINED by twisting the arm of the auto industry to put in safety belts. BUT he did it without holding an elected office. I would rather see more guys like him that can accomplish more with less than the entire Democratic party. They fucking hold congress and all they can do to stop the war is pass a non-binding resolution.

It looks like 2006 is already shaping up to be The Do-Nothing Congress Part II, filled with Milquetoast democrats that know all you have to do is blame your self-made failures on 3rd party competition to save face. Thanks, Gore-Voters!

Oh, and by the way, Gore actually won the election despite the evil, despicable Nader, which makes blaming him for W. that much more stupid. If the Nader-blamers had had their reactionary heads in Florida instead of way up their asses blaming Nader, maybe he would have held the office he won. Well done!

Posted by WarMech | March 22, 2007 9:50 AM

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