Slog - Comments on Simulacra and Simulation http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation Jean Baudrillard is dead at 77. His death did not take place.... Copyright 2008 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:44:11 -0800 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:48:56 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by blaire Oh, what an original joke

]]> blaire http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662515 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662515 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:37:51 -0800 Comment by tsm Indeed, he didn't die. He just stopped breathing and turned cold and began to let his flesh rot, and society called it death. True death has ceased to exist.

]]> tsm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662579 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662579 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:11:17 -0800 Comment by matt semioticians....is he an icon, or a symbol?

]]> matt http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662580 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662580 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:11:20 -0800 Comment by kinaidos From our perspective today, it's pretty obvious that the Gulf War really didn't happen. That book seems almost common sense today rather than anything particularly post-structuralist.

In fact I don't think one could do much better than read Baudrillard's book (or it's serialized version in Libo (trans in the Gaurdian) to really get yourself in a mindset to really understand the level of insanity governing the current Iraq debacle.

Some bits and pieces from Libo:
http://www.liberation.fr/actualite/evenement/evenement2/239266.FR.php

And libo's obit:
http://www.liberation.fr/culture/239275.FR.php

]]> kinaidos http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662583 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662583 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:14:08 -0800 Comment by Jennifer This joke is already old.

]]> Jennifer http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662587 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662587 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:16:20 -0800 Comment by treacle Merde. Et encore un fois: Merde.

]]> treacle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662727 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662727 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:20:52 -0800 Comment by SORG! This is too hyperreal!!

]]> SORG! http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662746 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662746 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:47:39 -0800 Comment by SORG! This is too hyperreal!!

]]> SORG! http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662747 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662747 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:47:50 -0800 Comment by moral_skeptic This joke is never old for a college student. It helps to connect with others who have trudged through Baudrillard, Delillo, and on and on and on. The joke sustains because of how much we simultaneously love and hate them.

]]> moral_skeptic http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662930 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662930 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:27:11 -0800 Comment by bill Uh, this joke was also the lede and headline for the Guardian's obit yesterday.

http://books.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,2028890,00.html

]]> bill http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662941 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662941 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:40:55 -0800 Comment by charles mudede people, it's the "bird lives" of our generation. get used to it.

]]> charles mudede http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662952 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662952 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:09:49 -0800 Comment by josh i agree with jennifer. this is tuesday's news. i wore black yesterday.

]]> josh http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662961 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662961 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:37:06 -0800 Comment by Vin I so enjoyed his writings (especially System of Objects). Sad to see him go...

]]> Vin http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662977 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c662977 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:24:25 -0800 Comment by Billy Not that his death "did not happen" or "did not occur," but "did not take place." His death did not take place.

Have we really understood the phrase, "did not take place?" No. The answer must me in the affirmative. His death did not arrive. It did not come. His death did not beckon.

What then is the subject of "did not take place" is not the man, Jean Baudrillard, but death. The subject is death. His death did not come for him. He did not meet death, and yet he said to be "dead."

But the question here is not whether we believe he is dead, but why would we think of death as an absence, a "did not take place?" And how is it possible for one to die if death is nothing? This is the paradox and the purpose of much of Jean's writing, for only in language is it possible for a living thing to cease to exist.

Death is in the supermarket of language.

]]> Billy http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c663067 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c663067 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:18:44 -0800 Comment by charles mudede billy, thanks for correctly reading my choice of words. the real comment is not the joke but the wording.

]]> charles mudede http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c663295 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/03/simulacra_and_simulation#c663295 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:48:56 -0800