Something I read in Live Journal today:

"By now you've heard of Peter Pace's famous quote, "I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts".

what you probably didn't know is that he thinks that homosexual acts between three or more people, is HOT HOT HOT!!!"

Did he borrow that outfit from Michael Jackson?

Seems to me the man has a right to his own opinion.

While I may agree with it, that is his right and you should respect that right.

And the editors at the Stranger wonder why they are not taken seriously at all in Seattle?

This post is a piece of utter crap.

Full dress marine is a costume from the 1700's. - has always been impressive, Adrian get a clue about something, and you have projected your own fantasy onto the General.

He has a bad take on gays in the Marine Corps, you have mistaken graphic porn for the real world. Sad. At one time I thought you could write.

My opinion of his opinion is that his opinion is fucked, and, in my opinion, expressing your opinion on how fucked someone else opinion is through with satire is still just an expression of opinion, so maybe you should respect that, Oh Bullshit

My opinion of his opinion is that his opinion is fucked, and, in my opinion, expressing your opinion on how fucked someone else opinion is through satire is still just an expression of opinion, so maybe you should respect that, Oh Bullshit

Johnathan....

And that is why he is in a position of power, respect and authority.

And you are, well..

What time does your boss want you washing dishes tomorrow?

"Oh Bullshit...", of course he has a right to his opinion. What does that have to do with anything? No one is suggesting putting him in jail for expressing his homophobic views in public.

He, on the other hand, is advocating legal punishments against gay people for expressing their hot man-on-man action in private. Which makes him an asshole.

"Full dress marine is a costume from the 1700's. - has always been impressive"

To whom? It's all silly costumes to me. We've been pouring money down the rathole labled "national defense" since December 7, 1941, and if all we have to show for it is homophobic assholes in bad drag, I'm not impressed.

And I'm sure the Swiss gaurd uniforms were impressive in their day, ditto for gentleman's wear in 17th century Florence. But in neither instance would one have worn them while holding a phallus in front of one's mouth, unless one were gay.

If you need more proof - note how much his hand gestures resemble those of Dan Savage in that poodle story bit.

The New York Times should stop asking Dan Savage to write for them editorial pages. That's the sort of thing that makes an editor feel like someone is taking him seriously.

cate...

You are an idiot.

The man says he condones the don't ask don't tell policy. Which is currently in effect.

His opinion is that openly gay soldiers are something he does not agree with and feels that the act is immoral.

Based on his eduction and upbringing, that's completely undertsandable.

Personally I think it's plus that he didn't take back his comment, not because I agree with it, but because I'm tired of public figures saying something they believe only to back down when challenged. If you're a bigot then at least be willing to stand up for your bigoted views.

@12 -

Based on the fact that he's currently commanding some actual homosexual soldiers who are laying their lives down on the line in Iraq and Afghanistan while he cools his heels running his fool mouth in one of the safest ZIP code in the fucking WORLD, it is unforgivably, revoltingly FUCKED.

Oh BS- I'm not quite sure what we're arguing about here, but under DADT, gay sex is still illegal in the military, and more soldiers have been discharged per year for being gay since DADT than were before it.

Don't Ask Don't Tell is a policy that doesn't work. In only unfairly punishes gay soldiers who should have as much of a right to serve as anyone.

And anyway, "upbringing" is the lamest excuse ever. His believing that gay sex (and therefore gay PEOPLE) is immoral and that the military should kick them out because of it, makes him an asshole. :)

I've been hearing that there's an estimated 65,000 active-duty personell in the military today. Would Gen Peter Pace change his mind, rescind DADT, and begin personally offering fellatio (at least for male recruits) if the active-duty gay and lesbian soldiers "confessed" en masse to their CO's in direct violation of DADT and were subsequently discharged? At what point might the "Stop-Loss" program and the military's need for fresh blood supersede his personal, bigoted, and fucked opinion?

I'm a homo, and I served 8 years in the military, before "don't ask, don't tell".

General Pace can kiss my motherfucking ass!

The rational for keeping gays out of the military is almost exactly the same as the rational used for keeping blacks in separate units from whites back in the day. One day we will look back on this time period and realize that DADT is just as bigoted and stupid as separate units for blacks. And Pace will be disgraced for the bigoted asswipe that he is.

#17 -- You're right! I've heard 65000 people several times today. I keep thinking about the power in that number. 65000 is three times larger than Bush's surge. Our military is so strapped right now -- who the hell is going to organize National Military Coming Out Day?

I see, a man has a right to his opinion only if he has "power" and "respect" and "authority". Of course, that's in direct opposition to the democracy this particular man has devoted his life to defending... oh well.

I better get some sleep, my shift washing dishes starts before dawn.

allow me to explain Adrian's Universal Law Of Repressed Faggotry: AULORF states that all homophobia stems from repressed homosexuality, ergo, all homophobes are secretly homosexual. sincerely expressing homophobia in anyway is tantamount to sucking off the swim team. for general pace, this is coming out day! hooray!

however, i find it also important to note at this point that i deeply question the motives and sanity of anyone who would willingly enter the military--gay friendly, gay, or possibly otherwise. the sane do not dress up in funny little outfits and try to kill people. they. just. don't. it's so fucking obvious.

Adrian is, as always, right.
Only the ultra fluffy kind of closeted trucker fucking self hating fag could wear an outfit like that while talking about gay sex. It's just the way things are. Out guys have more self respect than that outfit affords and if you aren't gay then why would even bother talking about it?
Now who wants to go down to the truck stop for waffles?

Anyone who dresses offstage like Capt'n Crunch and talks about the sin of faggotry isn't to be taken seriously.

65000 true heroes.

Let's stand Eric Alva and Matt Sanchez up together and see who gets applauded.

Adrian, (@20) it might be "obvious" today in 2007. But I'll forgive you of being completely ignorant of history. You see, way back in ancient times, like before 1990, we didn't all come out of the closet immediately after puberty. Back before the internet, Will & Grace, and Ellen DeGeneres, it was quite common for us to be closeted well into our mid-20s or later. And before Bush made a complete disgrace of our foreign policy, lots of us thought serving in the military was an honorable thing to do, a duty of a good citizen even.

So, no, in 2007, it doesn't make much sense for an openly gay person to enlist in the military. But 20 or 30 years ago, it didn't seem like a bad idea.

Pace is a bigoted asswipe, but please don't malign all gay people who serve in the military.

@7,

Who gives a fuck what Pace's credentials are? A bigot is a bigot is a bigot. It doesn't matter if he or she is the ruler of the universe or a hobo, bigots are assholes and deserve all the derision they can get.

All...

Here's the thing your all missing.

The JCS responsibility is for the readiness of the Militry, that's it.

This remark was his personal opion, but what's that matter?

If the President & Congress say that gays serve openly in the military, this group would support this decisoion 110%.

Oh, And Adrian, The Uniform? Comeon, grow up.

BTW, Laurence Ballard... If you are ging to Quote Chris Rock, do it, Don't steal his material.

@26

Re: Chris Rock

When choosing masters it is always best to choose a plump one

a favorite quote of Jean Renoir's...

Pace is taking about status not actions taken. If inappropriate sexual actions are made - gay or straight - the offending member of armed services should be out. Period. It is also inequity of the highest order to tax American Patriots to fund a war and then deny them the ability to defend this nation on the basis of some status derived from an ancient and so-called holy text.

The good General should have kept his lips shut, his Gilbert and Sullivan suit buttoned and stuck to policy. I couldn’t care less about what his god(s) may or may not say in his religious texts about the abomination of homosexuality, hair-clipping, the eating of crickets, menstruating women attending church, the sacrifice of turtledoves, or enjoying a bowl of clam chowder.

When the JCS speaks, the military listens. When the JCS condemns something, the military takes actions. You know that as well as I do.

P.S. In future, if you're going to tell others what to do, have the courage to use your own name.

Oh BS-

Pace was speaking as a representative of the US of goddamn A - you & me, fellow taxpaying funder of iraqi genocide.

he has no business offering his "personal" views in an official capacity, let alone views so regressive & judgemental.

So BS, if he advocated enslaving black people, because that was "just his opinion", that would be a-okay with you? Opinions, they's just opinions.

And re: the outfit. You're telling Adrian to grow up?!? This is a grown man - chariman of the JCS for crying out loud! - dressing in a costume from the 1700s! If I walked around in a caveman outfit saying "ooga booga gays are bad" (honoring our heritage of course), should I be taken seriously?

Me thinks Pace protests too much... However, love the dress [uniform] and butch haircut...

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