Comments on America's Next Top Disemboweled Corpse

Stop the italics!

Yes'm.

Thank you for this. I immediately sent angry letters to both Tyra and the CW after viewing this episode, and I suggest anyone else who was outraged do the same.

what would jean kilbourne say?

Another highlight that I forgot to tell you about was when the girls were taught vogueing (they didn't call it that) from a very Paris Is Burning-type gay. He wasn't LaBeija, and he was surely too young for the old-style balls, but it was still fantastic. That's what they were supposed to be doing through the lasers-vogueing.

I stopped watching Top Model last night. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I flipped back and caught a few minutes of "The Next Pussycat Doll" airing right afterwards -- it was downright empowering compared to Top Model. It seems like misogyny is entering its golden age in pop culture.

And is it just me, or does almost every woman on Top Model this season look and talk like a heavy meth user?

There's a perverse effect at work here, where the more shocking and distasteful something is the more it activates people's "rubber-necking at a car wreck" impulse. So the same qualities that make something like this so gross and unacceptable also make it "anti-channel-changing kryptonite."

And advertisers have known for a long time that people are more susceptible to ad messages when they are in a state of "arousal," which can be accomplished by either getting viewers turned on or scaring the shit out of them, or both.

Thanks! Also, while I completely agree with you in theory, the horror fan in me loves those pictures. Gruesome! If anyone wants to see them for himself, go to: http://www.cwtv.com/thecw/gen-gallery-antm-models/1/1

You have to click through all the others to see the dead shots, they're number five.

I wish they would just get over it and show porn on TV at night like in France; it's what we're heading towards anyway.

And Law & Order SUV (or whatevs) is like total sadist porn, esp the eps where kids are the victims. The fact that show is still on proves it's really tapped into this country's greatest fears: fear of sex, fear of brown-skinned people, and fear! Fear! Fear!

Faux News: "Online Sexual Predators are Coming to Kidnap Your White Women!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!! And Toxic Mold!!!! Suburban Dockers-soiling Freakouts!! AAAAHHHHHH!!!"

This other story isn't faux news.
http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=41845

It comes from NBC affiliate WBIR in Knoxville.

A woman was raped, forced to drink a housed chemical (yes, alledgedly), murdered, burned and left on railroad tracks.

dave schmader, thank you for this. i've never seen either of these television shows but i know you. your descriptions of what was shown, and your corresponding outrage and revulsion, made my head ache.

rape is not entertainment. violence against women should not be accepted or promoted by anyone, particularly by a television program that, from what i understand, pits young women against each other for the title of top model.

what the fuck is wrong with people?

What's the difference between ANTM and Adbusters?

Sure, in Adbusters, they're trying to make a "point" of some sort (I think the point is an artistic one, rather than an ethical or moral one).

ANTM and SVU and the other sexy corpse shows on TV are only a symptom of a larger sickness in this culture.

Sounds more like Eyes Of Laura Mars (1978, Faye Dunaway, Tommy Lee Jones) than SVU.

In Eyes Dunaway is a fashion photographer who has visions of brutal crimes and accidents and uses them as inspiration for photo shoots and then gets wrapped up in a serial killer investigation.

rachelle @ 10,

I was in no way trivializing real crimes committed against people.

These shows, especially reality shows, thrive because people enjoy seeing others being humiliated. Almost all reality shows fall into the "humiliation porn" category. The news shows in particular have resorted to fear-mongering and hysteria for ratings.

i can't care. cause you're all propping up violence against humans as outrages as simply an emotional response-especially trying to say it's misogynist. and half of you reactionaries probably bought a pound of meat at the grocery store last night.

the dumb thing is we'd probably agree that dressing up as zombies is funny, but artsy death in a commercial form is somehow misogynistic. I didn't hear anyone shouting about hating women last night.

get that stick out your ass, simply playing dead is not misogynist. i mean, is photographing a dead black man racist? there was no hateful context in last nights show. grow up.

Seattle98104: This is a small point, but "reactionary" doesn't mean what you think it means.

(And it wasn't just playing dead, it was playing violently murdered.)

Also, 98104, for your "dead black man" analogy to work, it couldn't just be a photo of a dead black man, but a photo shoot featuring black men posing as lynching victims.

ANTM is just vile anyway.. the superficial manipulations that Tyra puts the girls through ("confessions", fights, etc) are revolting. The 'dead model' scenario is simply a logical extension of Tyra's prostitution of these girls' competitiveness, desire and vanity all over TV -- for her own profit. Twiggy, Nigel and "Miss J" are simply stooges.

Andrew @9: Ha! you are right. ANTM, Dolls... all basically porn anyway.
However, when do you think the gladiator shows will occur? Actual fights to the death? 2019? On "The Christian Channel" no doubt...

Ari-

Actually, the guy was Bennie Ninja from the House of Ninja, rivals of the House of La Beija that were also featured in Paris is Burning. Willi Ninja died late last year, but Bennie is 34 and has been around quite a while.

Imagine being *astonished* that ANTM is misogynist! It's a show on a b-rate channel that props up stereotypes about how women should act, feel, think, etc. And it took the lame "murder by" premise for you to figure this out? What's next, hip hop glorifying urban black, er, African-American stereotypes?

Just for that, I will no longer watch ATNM.

Good thing I never started ... Grey's Anatomy, Ugly Betty, BSG, and Lost are enough for me ...

I still can't get over the fact that a show about SUPERMODELS, and people who want to be supermodels, would be stupid and vile. I mean, who woulda thunk?

Fnarf, plenty of shows are stupid and vile without eroticizing violently murdered women, and your simplistic faux-shock is beneath you.

The fact is, once upon a time, ANTM—that shameless-by-design show about idiots who want to be supermodels—had something to offer. This says as much about the state of the nation and television as it does about ANTM, but in its first season, the show was responsible for some of the most interesting images of young women allowed on television. In particular I remember the discussions of religion and morality among the contestants. Sure, these were starving girls in bikinis, but at least they were occasionally forced to discuss interesting stuff.

Acting murdered, not so interesting.

ANTM... yeah, whatever. When does Project Runway start up again?

For years, the husband and I have referred to all the crime-scene series as the "dead baby-raper shows". The violence is needless, and if people want to be shocked by gruesome violence, all they need to do is get off of their asses and look at the real world. People are victimized every day, there's no need to glamourize it.

I've always called that Law & Order SVU show "Rape Cops," which is intended to be said in a "jazz hands" kind of voice: "Rape Cops!" It's a terrible, terrible show. And I haven't watched Next Top Model since Shandi got robbed.

Now that we're all sharing our favored nicknames for Law & Order: SVU—a trend I LOVE; thanks to all who've shared—I must confess that in my house, it's called Law & Order: This Baby's Been Raped!

OK, they do one show in their 8th season that has the models looking gruesomely murdered -- one single show in eight years -- and you are all freaking out about it? Lighten up. There are plenty of things to criticize this show about, but this really isn't one of them. They are always trying to think of new ideas for these shoots, and I'm sure it's hard to come up with anything. This hardly seems unreasonable.

Is everyone who's ever bought a Neko Case record in trouble too?

You're right, Puhleeze. I don't know what I was thinking. The brutally-murdered model photo shoot was completely reasonable, and you're right—coming up with new photo shoot ideas must be really hard. Poor producers. Thanks for helping direct my empathy at the proper source.

I do believe that Tyra thinks she is really empowering women by promoting models on this show. I mean, listen to her narcissistic TYRAde about her Sports Illustrated cover (thank you Best Week Ever) and you'll see that she really thinks she's advanced the position of women in the world. That said, she really should have had a problem with this, "Look, violent murder = sexy" photo shoot. I don't think glamor killing is what she's all about.
Absolutely calling it L&O: TBBR from now on.

Re: Annie: What is this, smart people play dumb day?

I can't be bothered to type out the differences between a fully-clothed female singer/songwriter re-enacting a crime-scenish photo on her own album cover and what went down on ANTM, but I can answer your question: "Is everyone who's ever bought a Neko Case record in trouble too?"

Yes, and they brought it on themselves.

I have watched ANTM off and on, I have always known that it was depraved and more than a little pathetic. It's one of those shows that you get together with your friends and watch, because it's fun to rip it apart. But last night was different-- very very different. Everyone that was watching it felt sickened by what was taking place, and it just kept getting worse. During the shoot it was slightly disturbing when the camera man kept saying things like "make your arm/leg look *more* broken" but in some ways that's still laughable. The images themselves were worse: dead women, killed in erotic settings (sleazy hotel rooms, sexy clothes) bodies splayed to reveal most but not all of the dead woman: open legs, torn clothing. Worse still were the judges comments, stating that this woman "made dead look sexy" or instead "simply looked dead [but not sexy]"

And no one has mentioned yet that one of the contestants had lost her friend to a drug overdose in a prior week and was clearly traumatized by the shoot... EVEN stating that in retrospect she couldn't remember being in the room in front of the camera, having blocked the memory out.

The show hid behind this lame "models killing models" theme, but if you don't recognize (as a fan or even the photographer, or producer of the show) the implicit theme of rape or suggestion of rape and violence in every photo you are dense dense dense, or simply have giant cartoon dollar-signs blocking your vision.

The fact of the matter is that if any of the women had true moral/ethical problems with it, we wouldn't have seen it... I can only hope that someone tried to bring this up as an issue and was voted down. I can only hope that somewhere in the ranks of the show's producers it was debated whether or not this was a good idea, at least briefly. Clearly the wrong choice was made, and I think it should be pointed out, even if you never had much respect for the show in the first place.

Thanks, John. You get a point across that's important: last night's show was shocking to ANTM's own fans. Those of us who'd already made peace with the general fatuousness and offensesiveness of the show had our faces rubbed in a shocking pile of shit. That can't be what producers were aiming for.

I have to weigh in as well (straight male ex-Top Model fan).

I used to like the show, but last night's photo shoot was just over the top. Combining death and sex is just sick. #4's right, Kilbourne would hit the roof.

The worst for me was the model that "fell down the stairs," covered with bruises.

Yeah, that doesn't smack of domestic violence.

uh, wow...Schmader puts dead baby stories in Last Days constantly and he gets worked up over this?

visually, i thought it was one of the more artistic shoots they'd done...

chill...

Michael Strangeways: In every dead-baby story I've ever reported, somebody has been charged with a crime.

I don't think you put much thought into your comment, but are you really suggesting that my reporting on crimes against children somehow invalidates my right to be offended by the eroticization of murdered women?

If I'd put out a "Sexy Dead Babies!" 12-month Last Days promotional wall calendar, that'd be one thing. But I have not.

i can't care. cause you're all propping up violence against humans as outrages as simply an emotional response-especially trying to say it's misogynist. and half of you reactionaries probably bought a pound of meat at the grocery store last night.

Right, there's certainly no moral difference between killing a cow for food and torturing, raping, and/or killing a woman for sport.

the dumb thing is we'd probably agree that dressing up as zombies is funny, but artsy death in a commercial form is somehow misogynistic. I didn't hear anyone shouting about hating women last night.

get that stick out your ass, simply playing dead is not misogynist.

No, playing dead isn't misogynist. Taking photos that glamourize violence against women is misogynist.

Feh, television. Soooo 20th Century...

Everyone's entitled to their opinion...I watched the show last night (even though I always vow not to, cause it's trash...albeit entertaining trash)and misogny never crossed my mind once....they were just taking beautiful, artistic and disturbing photos...and since good art is suppossed to rattle your cage, apparently it worked...Frankly, I found the previous weeks photo shoot of the models posing naked as 'sweet treats' to be more disturbing...and sexist...yet I don't remember seeing anyone on here bitching about that...

(and yeah, I thought about what i wanted to say before i wrote it; thanks for asking)

Hmmm. Remind me never to get drunk around you, michael ... don't want to end up tossed off the side of a building with a hatchet stuck in my head, thank you very much ...

My favorite Tyra bit is when she's running a photo shoot and she tries to direct the model to show some innocence (or something). She never fails to get all doe-eyed and slack-jawed as she implores the model to regress into pre-pubescence with the words, "I'm just a widdle girl."

Always creeps me out.

As much as the whole concept of the show disgusted me, mostly because of them forcing the models to take these positions, I'm 100% sure it was based on a well respected series of photographs by Melanie Pullen.
This series was mostly completed around 2003 and 2004. You can view a lot of the images from this series here:
http://www.highfashioncrimescenes.com/
While these are obviously less misogynistic than the photos taken on ANTM, I think its kind of obvious that its where the shoot was inspired from.

I have no idea what Will in Seattle's comment means, but Michael was asking for whatever he gets.

"Since good art is suppossed to rattle your cage, apparently it worked."

This is an award-worthy assumption: Anything that upsets you = good art!

Using this equation, the Holocaust is the greatest work of art of the 20th century.

wow...what planet are you people on?

what do you do for entertainment; read dick, jane and sally?

and implying I'm anti-semitic (ie, Pro-Holocaust)is ludicrous, childish and below the belt...

and because I wasn't freaked out by the images that freaked you out, I must be violent and murderous....

with that logic, everyone who reads the Stranger must be a gay alcoholic but politically aware hipster who goes to clubs every night of the week and rents hookers out of the ads in the back...oh, wait; that is sorta true...

and sorry, obsessively chronicalling the horror stories of exploited, abused and mutilated children is kinda gross and you do it all the time...and not just for 'journalistic' purposes...you do it to be edgy and controversial and hip and to get a reaction....just like 'Dateline' and their 'Predator' series...just like posing model wanna be's in death poses...so get off your high horse...

(and i can't find anything else on line about this being a huge controversy...or is it just ultra pc seattle?)

and i'd love to hear a sane person's view of this...one who is both knowledgable about art and is a talented writer:

Ms Graves?

@45 - no, we just mean you're a perv. stop overthinking it.

hey dude, i'm just defending myself...i'm the one who got attacked, for daring to disagree with the status quo...'i'm apalled by these photos and if you're not, then you're a monster'.. (and i might add, you were one of the jerks attacking me)..I'm also not the one reading misogynistic conspiracies into a dumb tv show...

and schmader isn't qualified to be writing about this anyway...Mr Graves covers art and Mr Humphrey covers TV...let them mull it over...and they're better writers...

sorry, MS Graves....

Michael,forgive me, but are you retarded?

NO ONE suggested you were anti-Semitic. I was carrying your faulty analogy to its naturally stupid end.

As for my not being qualified to share my opinion about America's Next Top Model: God how I wish this were true.

Sorry your feelings got hurt, but you should think before you type.

Also, in the name of fairness, I want to say that Will in Seattle's contention that Michael Strangeway's failure to be offended by last night's ANTM is somehow evidence of his own perviness = total bullshit, and just as ridiculous as some of MS's loonier contentions. (Although at least Will's was knowingly ridiculous.)

"I'm also not the one reading misogynistic conspiracies"

It's not a conspiracy, it's sick slavish devotion to our fucked up cultures ingrained misogyny and being willing to do ANYTHING for another buck, no matter how rich some people already are.

Thanks to David Schmader for posting this, I don't watch the show, but somehow I find it important to stay informed about the depravities and new lows our culture indulges in. Perhaps to maintain a sense of outrage...

I'm not a regular watcher of the Tyra Model Train Wreck but in clicking past last night I was transfixed. Were they really doing gruesomely dead models?? I realized I felt a strange sense of schaudenfreud (SP??) Sure, they were beautiful, but they were DEAD. Was it sick or sexy? That's a matter of debate, obviously, and I think that is the greatest value to come out of the usually mindless show -- the debate you are having here.

I'm surprised at all the outrage. I thought it was one of the most artistic shoots they've done on the show. It read to me as campy zombie-like fun. All the models had stories about their "deaths" - and they were all (pretend) killed by each other in jealousy.

Yes, if I opened up a magazine and saw a photo shoot glorifying dead sexy women, I'd be offended. But that didn't happen. I saw a shoot that was part of a competition, and I saw and heard the background for what they were doing, and it didn't have anywhere near the impact on me that it apparently did on a lot of people.

I agree about SVU, though. They sure do love to get their rape victims to talk about their attacks. Then there's Without a Trace, who recently sent one of their young attractive agents "into the field", where she had to be a stripper. And of course, she knew how to work the pole like a pro right away!

The real creepy series is the one on Oxygen called snapped, half hour or hour long tidbits of how women just snap and kill, mostly men.
They get all into past crimes like its life or death to tell us the story, and man last Sunday they had a day long Marathon.
Me and my girlfriend were flipping around and said to eachother " Jezuz
why don't the women who watch this crap(most likely oprahs fans) just go rent Horror films. they may be fictional but they are much better to stomach than real life depressing crap you see on criminal t.v.
We put in Return of the Living Dead and had a laugh. Call it morbid taste whatever.
"Tiiinnaa. I looove yooouu.
please let me in. I ...just... want... to... eeeat.... your braaiinnssss."
The funniest campy classic zombie horror film ever made.
and a lot better than watching hours of women and men who remind you of you next door neighbor, your coworkers, or even you hacking eachother away because someone cheated or loved someone else. The motives are endless and it gets to a point where someone just needs to stop giving us so much fucking gory detail about rapes and death of real life victims. Its almost disrespectful. unless its acting of course.
Stick to movies. T.V.s ate up.

Looks like it's too late to jump in on this discussion but I just wanted to say right on, Schmader. Top Model has always been a guilty pleasure of mine but this episode was beyond disturbing...there's nothing sexy or glamorous about a dead woman. Doesn't it speak volumes that Tyra posed as a detective rather than a victim in her own photo?

David Schmader - anybody who disagrees with you seems to send you into fits or sarcasm, name calling, and so on. you really sound defensive! maybe you should just not respond if someone disagrees with you. you'll come off a lot better.
I think you folks who were so disturbed by ANTM have an extremely thin skin. The shoot was meant to be campy and darkly funny. And playing dead and still looking hot was obviously the challenge. Like everything else on this show, it's stupid, but it was hardly promoting violence toward women or whatever it is your are accusing it of.

It's just the next logical thing: normal weight, skinny, anorexic, dead. What did you expect?

I'm with Comte (#39).

thanks gb; thanks genevieve...:)

implying that I would consider the Holocaust is a 'work of art', IS offensive and derogatory to ME AND disprectful of the Holocaust...

I found it odd that all you faithful ANTM watchers were so freaked out by this photo shoot but apparently weren't freaked out a couple cycles back when the models were posed in GRAVES....

I also find it odd that a man who makes part of his living promoting 'Showgirls', one of the most misogynistic movies ever made, (and albeit, one I enjoy for its awfulness) to be deliciously ironic....(and props to my bro' for pointing this out to me)....

A very good friend of mine, a professor at UW and a feminist, went to the dreadful Rebecca Walker reading last night with a female, feminist colleague who has written quite a bit on ANTM...they discussed the show last night, and apparently the pix didn't disturb her...

I used to like Schmader and his writing, but I can't respect anyone who viciously attacks anyone who disagrees with him AND is a bit of a hypocrite...

@ The Schmade

Since you obviously missed it, and don't understand the definition of misogyny, I'll through this last bit on: In the photos (and for their inspiration in posing) all the models were killed by the other contestants... e.g. WOMEN.

My black man analogy still stands. There was no context of woman hating in that episode. Get over yourself, jackass.

1)i also have to point out, if these photos were of 10 MALE models in the exact same poses, no one would have said a peep....

2)and lastly, it's Freedom of Speech, baby, and artistic expression...as an alleged artist and journalist you're supposed to be all for it...it's fine if you don't like it; don't attack others and make it personal because they dare to disagree with you...

peace out....

vote sanjaya...

go to the LGBT Center, 12th and Pike, April 7th 6pm to 9pm for
the Virgin show, featuring great new art (maybe some of it will be controversial!!) AND live music by Danielli...

I love you all...mostly...

Thanks to all of you for participating.

Michael Strangeways, what are these "vicious attacks" you speak of?

I'm fine with people disagreeing with me. I'm fine with Michael Strangeways and anyone else NOT being offended by this week's ANTM. My problem is with those who tell me I'm wrong to be offended.

It's the simplistic thinking that exasperates me: i.e. If I've found a way to appreciate Showgirls, I relinquish all right to be offended at any type of misogyny for all time, or if Michael wasn't offended by the ANTM shoot, he's a perv. It's bullshit, simple-minded fundamentalism, and sometimes it makes me snippy.

You know what's odd? It's mostly men participating in this discussion. Now, I think that partly has to do something with the commentators on blogs (seem to skew male, from what I can tell), but, as a woman, I find pictures of women that are dead and sexy disturbing.

These images (and ones like them) saturate the mainstream, glamorize violence, glamorize sexual violence, and demean women. Does this particular instance matter much? No, not really. But this particular instance, as part of a trend, is upsetting. As a woman, I feel a little sick.

Also, I am SO SICK of the "But if it were men no one would say anything!" argument. Look, it WASN'T men and it HARDLY EVER IS. Why is that? Oh, maybe because there is a PATTERN of violence again women and the media hyping and glamorizing it, while that is not true for violence against men.

"there is a PATTERN of violence again women and the media hyping and glamorizing it, while that is not true for violence against men."

sorry you're just making shit up. there's just as much media hype for violence against men, gansta rap, UFC, boxing, etc. etc. etc.

Now you're just being ridiculous seattle98104. Gangsta rap, UFC, boxing...those things are not meant to titillate.

there's a pattern of violence against EVERYONE...it's called human nature...

and folks, society isn't MORE violent than it ever has been; it's LESS, (on a day to day level)...we've been killing, and raping and pillaging and pummeling each other for thousands of years...

We just talk about it more...

and if you don't like an object of art, don't look at it...

but also don't take away the right for me to look at it...

"those things are not meant to titillate."

BWA HA HA HA HA HA!! *can't breath* HA HA HA HA H!!! oh, wait your serious ... BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

OMG, you're KILLING me!!

Typical entitled misogynists; blind to our culture oppressing women because they haven't experienced it themselves and refuse to open themselves to being educated about it. Sometimes trying to argue with them is about as productive as arguing with Christianists.

They all seem to have persecution complexes too, making up vicious attacks on themselves (or blaming the wrong people for them), boo fucking hoo, poor priveleged white men, it must be tough for you. David Schmader didn't viciously attack you, maybe the those tactics work for you, but you might be surprised to learn that there are plenty of folks out there that have reading comprehension skills and can tell one person from another.

98104 you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Your denying it won't change the fact that there IS a pattern of violence against women being glamourized and hyped in the MSM. One wonders why you can't see that and so adamately deny it. Oh and BTW your "black man analogy" doesn't stand. Despite however some of you want to dimish it by some sort of context (art, violence by other women...) the fact remains that this incident serves to further sexualize violence against women and make it socially acceptable.

Our day to day lives being less violent than in the past is an almost completely seperate issue from the MSM's misogyny, to the point of it being a red herring. Writing it off as human nature is lame. Are we completely without will and so pathetic that we cannot improve the world? Should we throw our hands in the air and say "oh well, it's human nature, people are going to be killed and raped, we might as well make a buck off of it and get some cheap thrills from it"?

modeling and fashion shoots are ALL about objectification, i agree with the digust shown in this article...so it's interesting to read this review and see that naked torso of a women for the lustlab (ad? section of slog?)

nice.

This photo shoot isnt to gross people out or piss them off.. It is a port hole to the way things are not looked at.. the beauty you can find in the wierdest places. they tried to give them a hard task becuase a models job it to look "alive".. They wanted to see how they would act if they couldnt act like.. to show if they are adapable or not,

I watched this episode with my wife and 13 yo daughter. We were all appalled at the suggested violence. It's sickening, and we as a society are in a downward spiral as the media clamber for more and more of our shrinking attention span. None of us will be watching the show again, and I wonder what Tyra's GF Oprah will say, if anything, about this lowest episode so far.

what DO you people do for entertainment? judging by some of your responses you obviously aren't able to watch much tv, listen to much music, go to the movies or an art gallery or read a magazine or newspaper...CSI's corpse of the week mut really fry your minds....and stay away from Vogue or WWD...you'll really flip out...they're objectifying women left and right in there...

Michael, do you really not grasp that for many viewers who are COMPLETELY FAMILIAR WITH POP CULTURE, this ANTM murdered-model photo shoot was offensive?

You flipped out when someone (stupidly) suggested that your failure to be offended meant you were a "perv," but now you're suggesting that anyone who WAS offended lives in a nunnery?

I think you just enjoy a good tizzy. Perv.

Wow! So much controversy over ART?? As the female owners of www.CadaverGirls.com – we freely promote all forms of media and art in the horror genre. Most of our models focus on murder scenes – and this is of their OWN CHOICE. So, to say that women object to this – is simply untrue. We do not allow pornography or nudity – but allow the models to submit the work they have formulated, designed and orchestrated on their own. This IS art – it’s just not YOUR art.

Wow! So much controversy over ART?? As the female owners of www.CadaverGirls.com – we freely promote all forms of media and art in the horror genre. Most of our models focus on murder scenes – and this is of their OWN CHOICE. So, to say that women object to this – is simply untrue. We do not allow pornography or nudity – but allow the models to submit the work they have formulated, designed and orchestrated on their own. This IS art – it’s just not YOUR art.

Wow! So much controversy over ART?? As the female owners of www.CadaverGirls.com – we freely promote all forms of media and art in the horror genre. Most of our models focus on murder scenes – and this is of their OWN CHOICE. So, to say that women object to this – is simply untrue. We do not allow pornography or nudity – but allow the models to submit the work they have formulated, designed and orchestrated on their own. This IS art – it’s just not YOUR art.

Wow! So much controversy over ART?? As the female owners of CadaverGirls.com – we freely promote all forms of media and art in the horror genre. Most of our models focus on murder scenes – and this is of their OWN CHOICE. So, to say that women object to this – is simply untrue. We do not allow pornography or nudity – but allow the models to submit the work they have formulated, designed and orchestrated on their own. This IS art – it’s just not YOUR art.

I'm a little late to this game, but as a photographer and a woman who has been a victim of a crime, I found this episode to be highly misogynistic. As a photographer, I do believe in having full license in exercising creative expression, but doesn't mean that what this particular episode expresses wasn't disturbing, distasteful or misogynistic. Glamourizing violence and calling it beautiful, even for art's sake, is flat out psychotic. You may not be offended by it, and that's your right and your opinion. Just as it's my right to be utterly disgusted by it.

response to #60 seattle98104: "Since you obviously missed it, and don't understand the definition of misogyny, I'll through this last bit on: In the photos (and for their inspiration in posing) all the models were killed by the other contestants... e.g. WOMEN.

My black man analogy still stands. There was no context of woman hating in that episode. Get over yourself, jackass"

Misogyny is defined as the hatred of women. This photo concept implies and glamorizes that women are jealous, petty, psychotic competitive bitches that'll do anything and kill anyone that gets in their way. Artsy? perhaps. Empowering? FUCK, NO. Mysogynist? HELL YES.
Women can hate other women. Just as it's possible for a non-white person to be a racist.
BTW, Mr. Schmader argued against your black man analogy well, I suggest you go back and read it (#17) and try to understand why your original analogy doesn't make sense.

And for genevieve #54: "I agree about SVU, though. They sure do love to get their rape victims to talk about their attacks."
I think what they portray is quite accurate as far as dealing with victims go. I know from first hand experience that although it isn't by any means fun, victims do have to recount their attacks several times to several different people (to the officers first on scene, the doctor/nurse handling the rape kit, the ADA and to the SVU detectives to name a few. btw, the SVU really does exist, at least here in NYC). While I don't particularly like the concept, I don't feel that the show is blatantly misogynist or otherwise offensive. I do feel that it has one of the strongest female characters depicted on the small screen in Det. Benson. The really bad puns at the start of the show, though, are in poor taste.

My $0.02