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Thursday, February 15, 2007

Tim Hardaway Hates Homos—So What?

posted by on February 15 at 14:22 PM

Some ex-basketball player, reacting the news that another ex-basketball player came out as a gay man, said that he just so totally hates homos. And he said it into a live mic.

Well, you know, I hate gay people. I let it be known, I don’t like gay people. I don’t like to be around gay people…Yeah, I’m homophobic. I don’t like it. It shouldn’t be in the world, or in the United States. So, yeah, I don’t like it.”

So Tim Hardaway is homophobic—and stupid. (It shouldn’t be in the world or the United States?) Wow, a dumb, terrified-of-homos professional athlete. Will wonders never cease? Unfortunately the homophobic ex-basketball player has since apologized for his homophobic remarks, as Brad pointed out earlier today on Slog.

“I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have said I hate gay people or anything like that,” [Hardway] said. “That was my mistake.”

Here’s why I’m bummed that Hardaway apologized: This could have been a wonderful teaching moment.

Not another packed-off-to-anti-gay-rehab teaching moment—where did Isaiah Washington go anyway?—but a perfect opportunity for gay groups and gay people to patiently make a this very important point: No one has to like homos. You can sign off on full civil rights for gays and lesbians without having to think we’re nifty or be all that comfortable with the idea of sharing a locker room with us. (Hell, I’m sometimes not comfortable sharing a locker room with other gay men.) The gay and lesbian civil rights movement would make more strides if we could separate the issue of liking us from the issue of not discriminating against us.

Personally, I’m not interested in being liked by the likes of Hardaway. And I sincerely believe that the gay rights movement’s Sally Field complex—“You like me, you really like me!”—is holding us back. We should be out there make this case to bigots like Hardaway and Washington and Dobson and Falwell and Musgrave: No one wants to change your mind about homosexuality. You can think we’re naughty, you can think we’re sinful. And you know what? You can sign off on granting us our full civil rights, tolerate our living openly, marrying, having families—and go right on hating us! Heck, you can go right on trying to talk us out of being gay.

And good luck with that.

But so long as we conflate liking us—or believing that Jeebus loves us too—with granting us our fundamental civil rights, we make winning those civil rights that much more difficult.

Of course as more and more of us live openly—with or without our full civil rights—the hatred and fear that people like Hardaway espouse becomes less prevalent and less socially acceptable. But not everyone is going to like us or approve of us, whatever the law says, however socially tolerant our society becomes. And it is precisely these people—the haters, the Hardaways—that have to be made to understand that no one is going to force them to change their minds.

What should the gays say about Hardaway? If I were the spokesperson for a big gay group I would say something like this:

Mr. Hardaway is entitled to his opinions—and his prejudices. He is not entitled to live in a world or a United States that’s free from homosexuals. We are ‘in the world,’ we always have been, and we always will be. And gays and lesbians should not be subject to discrimination because some people are homophobic anymore than African Americans should be subject to discrimination because some people are racist. But if Mr. Hardaway doesn’t care to know associate with gay people in his private life, that is his right. It is also his loss.

Or as Canadian novelist Brian Francis put it so eloquently in The Stranger’s 2005 Queer Issue…

Straight men: [you need] gay friends. We have more to offer than your straight friends. We help get you laid (ladies will love the fact you have gay friends, you sexy, sensitive man, you). We will also give you hair-care product advice, baby-sit your kids, and tell your wives that blowjobs are mandatory for any happy relationship and should be administered at least three times per week. Oh, we’ll also assure her that the amount of porn you watch is completely normal.

UPDATE: What are gay groups saying about Tim Hardaway?

“Tim Hardaway is a hero to thousands of young people, particularly in Miami-Dade, and that’s what makes his comments so troubling. Sadly, his words simply put the pervasive homophobia in the NBA on the table. There’s a reason why not a single active NBA player has ever come out in the history of the league, and this is it. We don’t need punitive words or hollow apologies. We need the NBA and the Miami Heat to embrace gay fans and players in visible ways throughout the year.”—Matt Foreman, Executive Director, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
“Hardaway’s comments are vile, repulsive, and indicative of the climate of ignorance, hostility and prejudice that continues to pervade sports culture. And by apologizing not for his bigotry but rather for giving voice to it, he’s reminding us that this ugly display is only the tip of a very large iceberg. It would be a mistake to assume that since such prejudice is rarely aired so blatantly and so publicly that it is in fact rare. It is not. And the media that are now doing a commendable job holding Hardaway accountable for his intolerance also need to turn their attention to the deeply ingrained homophobia that continues to thrive within our sports culture at all levels.”—Neil G. Giuliano, president of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD)

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1

I wouldn't wish the role of spokesperson of a big gay group on anyone, but this is exactly what they should be saying!

Posted by jforrest | February 15, 2007 2:17 PM
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Dan, if I could produce a T.V. night show or something like that, you are definately going to be the number one person I would ask to host it. You far surpass the philosophies of Oprah Winfrey types, Jay Lenos, and even the Daily show. You would make an awesome host personality. Something like a commentator like Kieth Olbermann on those news program analysis shows.

Posted by sputnik | February 15, 2007 2:27 PM
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too bad he has a face for writing. ZING!

Posted by konstantConsumer | February 15, 2007 2:46 PM
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Said the Tutsi in Rwanda, circa 1994: "Who cares if the Hutus call us cockroaches? They don't need to like us. We just want equal rights."

Posted by him | February 15, 2007 2:47 PM
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New Gay Spokesman John Amaechi has done an admirable job replying to this so far, I think.

An excerpt (from Miami Herald):

"Finally, someone who is honest. It is ridiculous, absurd, petty, bigoted and shows a lack of empathy that is gargantuan and unfathomable. But it is honest. And it illustrates the problem better than any of the fuzzy language other people have used so far."
Posted by H0RATI0SANZSERIF | February 15, 2007 2:49 PM
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A friend asks...

Hmmm... would you feel the same way with someone who said "I hate Jews" or "I hate all black people"? There would have been just as much outrage had someone said that.

yes, true. there would be just as much outrage--now.

once we secure our civil rights, which will be easier if we can peel haters off the "civil rights for homos = approval of homos" position, the social acceptability of anti-gay speech will slowly expire. remember: after passing the civil rights act it was still socially acceptable to be pretty much openly racist in the united states. archie bunker satirized the racist "dead enders," to use a rumsfeldism, but they existed. and now... they're dead. the changes in the law came first for many americans, then the changes in attitude. the change in the law helped to accelerate changes in attitude that were already underway, admittedly. but the impact of the change in the laws on attitudes toward race was huge.

so to my mind, whatever we can do to get to the change in law sooner -- including reassuring some people that the change in law does not require a change in their hateful hearts -- the better.

Posted by Dan Savage | February 15, 2007 2:51 PM
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People are entitled to be assholes. They're even entitled to open their big fat mouths and make it clear to everyone just what a big flaming asshole they really are. They are not, however, entitled to make their asshole views the law of the land.

Oh, and I'm entitled to hate homophobes. And even say so, without apologizing. But you know what? I don't discriminate against them and I don't try to get laws passed which deny them equal protection under the law.

Unfortunately, your true dyed-in-the-wool homophobe thinks he IS being discriminated against if he is ever confronted with the existence of GLBT folk, ever. Merely seeing a co-worker's desk photo of their partner is enough for this kind of knuckle-dragger to exclaim, "why do they have to rub it in everyone's face?!" And heaven forfend a GLBT co-worker ever MENTION their partner when the officemates are standing around shooting the shit. You might as well just teabag the poor, discriminated-against homophobe right on the spot.

Posted by Geni | February 15, 2007 2:54 PM
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Oh, and #3 - hell, I think Dan's cute as a button. If he were straight...and I were entirely straight...and we weren't both partnered...and all that.

Posted by Geni | February 15, 2007 2:56 PM
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the "zing" was to imply that i was kidding around. i'd fuck him.

Posted by konstantConsumer | February 15, 2007 3:04 PM
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"Dan can be dreamy, but only with short hair; he looks awful with long hair"....A quote from a former Stranger employee to myself...

Posted by michael strangeways | February 15, 2007 3:15 PM
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There is a danger in allowing people to claim it's *rational* to fear or hate gay people. It can become a tacit agreement that gay people cannot control their lust, raise children or resist spreading disease. That is a lot of territory to cede in hopes of convincing bigots that they can stay just the same and vote for civil rights...

Posted by golob | February 15, 2007 3:23 PM
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@4,

The Hutus didn't just hate the Tutsis. There were several years of increasing discrimination leading up to the genocide, which was actually pretty similar to the lead up to the Holocaust. First, Tutsis weren't allowed to marry Hutus. Then, they weren't allowed to work certain jobs. Then, they were required to carry identity cards identifying them as Tutsis and would get hassled repeatedly by the authorities. On and on it went until the killing started. There is no comparison there to run-of-the-mill bigotry.

Posted by keshmeshi | February 15, 2007 3:24 PM
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and she only confessed it me after I revealed that I had had a hot, hot sex dream involving Dan that featured non-sexual cameo appearances from Fergie, the Duchess of York (not the singer), Cameron Diaz and Richard Pryor and despite the fact I think Dan is kinda cute but not really my cup of tea which made the dream all the more...Stranger...(confidential to Dan: were you having hot sex very early Saturday morning? My theory is, your passion was so great you were channeling it all over the 'Hill via the radio towers across from Trader Joe's). (Or maybe, I just really need a boyfriend)....

Posted by michael strangeways | February 15, 2007 3:25 PM
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excellent post dan. of course, i don't like the example he's setting... but your point remains valid.

on the other hand, it's nice to think this happened...

"what?!? i can't even say i hate the gays anymore?"

"no, no you can't."

"oh. but do i really have to apologize?"

Posted by infrequent | February 15, 2007 3:47 PM
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It's funny that Hardaway spent 12 years playing basketball in the Bay Area and Miami, where I imagine there were a few gay folks sitting in the crowd and helping to pay his salary.

Posted by DOUG. | February 15, 2007 4:06 PM
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Clearly, Tim Hardaway IS gay, and fucked-up about it. Or else why would he care? Real clueless macho straight guys just plain don't give a rat's ass what other guys do with their dicks. More ladies for straight guys in that case. I cannot tell you how many gay and bi guys I have met who were self-hating, anti-gay bigots when they were very young. Hardaway needs to grow up, and come out (or stay in, and shut up).

Posted by Grant Cogswell | February 15, 2007 4:55 PM
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I think that social disapproval is an important part of changing attitudes. It was during the black civil rights movement and it's an important part of our civil rights movement. If every homophobe has to fear that he'll lose endorsement deals, it'll become less appealing to voice it. If no one prominent and admirable voices it, it'll become less pervasive and relegated to the fringe.

Posted by Gitai | February 15, 2007 5:23 PM
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@12: I'm not saying Hardaway's going to instigate genocide against gay people, but his public comments (ie, saying homosexuality shouldn't be in the world) dehumanizes gays and can lead to tacit approval of hate crimes against them. imo

Posted by him | February 15, 2007 5:48 PM
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hardaway definitely put his schweinstein in some fan's wife, and i'm guessing said fan licked timmy's sack. only timmy really liked it whoops!- gotta keep up the macho straight dude 'tude!

$5 says he'll be going to rehab shortly.

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Posted by raimi | February 15, 2007 5:57 PM
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@16: Grant- I don't know if Hardaway is gay or not. In fact, I think he probably isn't. For some reason, a lot of people in the community think that it's automatic that someone HAS to be gay if their homophobic or rant about homos in a bad way.

My opinion is that homophobia is about FEAR (hence the phobia part) That doesn't necessarily drive from being closeted. It could be driven from religion (ie Hutch, the 3 stains that beat the crap out of Micah Painter, etc) or from a lot of the media that continues to put forward that view point.

I think we do a disservice to those in the community that are out and about when we pidgeonhole anyone that acts in a homophobic or distasteful manner towards the community as some closeted homo that is trying to cover their tracks. Dan'e right- there are going to be a lot of people that hate us for whatever reason. In fact, I'd prefer knowing who those people are so I can either stay away from them or keep an eye on them.

I do have something to say to Hardaway:

Thank you Tim Hardaway for making progress for the gay and lesbian community in the sports world. You did much with your hateful commentary to throw a light on the issue that homophobia is a very real thing in your particular profession. Thank you for making my job easier in the future convincing moderates that people like you necessitate rules, regulations and education to protect those you want to see gone from the country and the world. You've probably shaved 5 years worth of work off what we otherwise would need to do ourselves to convince those people. Thanks once again!

Posted by Dave Coffman | February 15, 2007 6:51 PM
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>> 16 Grant, & 21 Dave--

But Hardaway's especially visceral comments and reactions suggest indeed that he doth protesteth too much....

Posted by redtown | February 15, 2007 8:18 PM
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All I can say is Hardaway is a hypocrite...and true to his punny name:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Tim_Hardaway_Comes_Out_of_the_Closet

Posted by Luk | February 16, 2007 12:02 AM
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I'm a horrible person and read none of the comments before my only-child self.

Here's my opinion on the matter.

I went to a HS that was actually culturally diverse. Everyone was content making ethnic/racial jokes. Nearly everyone at the school was comfortable with this. Then I went to college.

My college was ostensibly "liberal" and "internation" and "multiracial/ethnic/whatever." But what struck me was that no one was ever comfortable with the jokes/comments that were acceptable at my actually diverse high school.

Point being that something about the honesty behind Hardway's comment actually says something about how far gay rights has come. In the 50s, no one would have bothered to say anything. The fact that a famouns basketball player has an opinion on gays means that they're in the consciousness of the country. And once you get there, there's no going back.

So, it may still be a fight, but once there's a fight, it's able to be won.

Posted by brie | February 16, 2007 4:52 AM
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In the immortal words of Nina Simone:
You don't have to live next to me, just give me my equalityyyyy.

Posted by Ryan | February 16, 2007 9:16 AM
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@22: Point taken- although in his particular case what struck me was the fact he said he would basically not talk to/deal with a family member that was gay. That very well could be the point too.

Now that I just got on my soap box editorializing in one direction, I'm gonna say one thing that is related (and probably get very busted for it). In my dealings with discrimination from a legal perspective, a disproportionate number of them have come from the African-American community in particular. As many are aware, there is a particular hostility from parts of that community. Look at who is running much of the church action against many of the things that would be beneficial to the gay community politically. Some non-profits and churches in that community have been particularly hostile to the gay community, with their worst vitriol saved for other African-Americans. In some cases there's a very different sense of family within some of those communities, and when I have had clients that have endured discrimination there, it almost always turns into "what child was molested by this person" type of thing. I also don't know if this relates at all to the "on the down low" scenarios that are been discussed. What I do know is that in every single case that I have dealt with it's been assumed that the african-american person has brought this discrimination upon themselves (for whatever reason) and because the communities seem to be tighter knit in some ways that makes it harder for progress to be made if you're black and gay. In the cases I've seen the discrimination felt by those that are black and gay is not that their black, but that they're gay and that discrimination mainly seems to come from the african american community directly pointed at them. This is really unfortunate, especially for those from tight knit communities that as soon as they come out or are found out are usually kicked out or punitively treated.

I don't know if that has a bearing on Hardaway's case and comments. I think more than an apology and explanation of why he feels that way would be enligtening. We won't get that now that his handlers are controlling the issue for him, but it would be an interesting question.

A good story for the Stranger would be to investigate this phenomenom. It happens more than you think even in our little progressive city.

Posted by Dave Coffman | February 16, 2007 9:22 AM
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If I were responding to Tim Hardaway over his remarks this would be my response: I am not prejudiced and I like Black People. I count serveral of them among my friends. But, I cannot stand Dumb Niggers. Tim Hardaway is a Dumb Nigger. I believe Dumb Niggers have no place in our society nor do they have a place anywhere else in this world. Except maybe in some staw hut somewhere in the African Dessert.

Posted by Jason B. | February 16, 2007 12:35 PM
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Nice comments, Dan, but I think you're missing an "or"

But if Mr. Hardaway doesn’t care to know OR associate with gay people in his private life

P.S. Put me in the Dan-is-cute camp.

Posted by BobN | February 16, 2007 12:48 PM
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I took alot of criticism a number of years ago for a speech I gave at Atlanta's Gay Pride celebration where I called on the community and our "friendly" politicians to forget about tolerance and to start working on specific legislative goals. I could care less if someone likes me as long as I am treated equally before the law. Pandering to politicians who are "gay-friendly" but who don't propose or co-sponsor real legislation to grant us equality is a waste of time. Do I think tolerance is a worthy personal trait? Absolutely. Do I think it is a valid political agenda? Absolutely NOT. I gave up working through most of the gay organizations notlong after that. Most of our political groups spend too much time operating as group therapy to really accomplish anything.

Posted by Rich Jones | February 16, 2007 12:56 PM
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interesting stuff - thought-provoking.

Posted by alo | February 16, 2007 2:46 PM
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But Dan -- Tim said that he would want a gay person to lose his job, to be traded, and that they should all move to another country away from him.

Posted by Todd and in Charge | February 16, 2007 2:50 PM
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@26 I agree that exploring the extreme hostility toward homosexuals in the black community would be interesting. What's that about? Black churches, especially, attack homosexuality as if it were original sin itself.

Posted by Jen | February 16, 2007 3:35 PM
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If Hardaway was just another run of the mill barstool bigot I suppose it wouldn't, and shouldn't make much of a difference to anyone what he thought of homosexuals. Sure, everyone doesn't have to like us. Sure, let bigots stew in their own dimestore prejudices if that's how they want to live their lives. I don't care about them. I really don't. Here's what I care about: Hardaway wasn't just some random loudmouth. He was a pro basketball star. A celebrity. Ask any gay kid who ever had their face shoved into their locker why it matters when celebrities start babbling about how it's okay to hate gays.

Posted by Bruce Garrett | February 16, 2007 6:01 PM
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I see your point that after legal equality comes, social equality will follow. But I think religon is just to great an impediment in the way that it never was with racial equality. The racists tried to justify keep blacks inferior with the Bible for a while, but it went so against pretty much the whole doctrine, and that argument fell flat. Opposition to homosexuality, wrong as it is, whatever issues you take with the validity of certain passages or the whole book, is a lot more evident in the Bible. And not just Christianity. Nearly every fundamental version of a world religion disapproves homosexuality. So, I worry that social equality for will never be as far reaching as racial equality unless we push.

Aww, Jason B. We were doing so well keeping the race-baiting at bay. Why'd you go and mess that up? Screw you.

Oh, and Dan, i think you're very cute!

Posted by FanGirlHater | February 17, 2007 2:22 AM
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I think people really do underestimate how much of an impact a man like Tim Hardaway has. Ameachi said that he has received a flood of new, vile comments from people since Haradawy sounded off.

I could say that I don't care about Tim Hardaway, because I don't. But there are many, many young men out there who worship Tim Hardaway, and they DO care about what he says. They DO hate gays more because they know how he feels. And that's why the reaction from the NBA and from gay groups is so important.

Posted by Jon | February 17, 2007 6:56 PM
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I take issue with Mr. Savage on a critical point. Having gay friends never helped me get laid. The fact that I am neither sexy nor sensitive is purely irrelevant.

Posted by meancauchy | February 18, 2007 3:48 PM
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[Andrew Sullivan said:] I Have No Time For Gay Lobby Groups
For the same reasons Dan Savage does. He makes a point I have made many times before and explain at length in Virtually Normal. It's worth repeating. I don't give a damn if someone hates me for being gay. I'm fine with it. If you're not, I'm fine with that too. Just leave me alone, and we'll get along just fine. Now, when the government officially discriminates against gays, it's another thing entirely. The government should treat its citizens equally, period. But the rest of you? As you please. I'd much rather live in a free country where people are free to be bigots than a p.c. country where everyone is legally required to be nice. Hate is a permanent human condition. Trying to ban it is folly. What the gay rights movement should be about is simple public civil equality. Period. Let us marry, serve in the military and then spew whatever bile you want. Deal?

[FYI, this is what I sent to Andrew Sullivan]
No deal.
In the late 60s I heard an accountant at a government office party explain what kind of car he had. "Falcon. Niggers' car."
He wouldn't say that today in that context. Contrary to your assertion, the lesson of the Jim Crow era is that it is not enough to prevent governmental discrimination. Private prejudicial discrimination marginalizes, disenfranchises, and ultimately dehumanizes those whom it defames.
Mill argued that "social tyranny" is as great a danger to liberty as governmental oppression, because it reaches into every area of daily life: where you can shop, and how you are treated when you do; whether you are considered for a job or promotion you are qualified for; and whether you have the same chance to rent a good apartment or buy a house in a good neighborhood.
The social expression of disrespect legitimizes disrespect. In our culture the use of 'nigger' as an epithet will bring the response, "shame on you." Decent people will realize that this response was deserved, and change their attitudes. The Civil War seemed to establish legal equality, "equal protection under the laws," for a targeted minority, but this was undone because postwar policies underestimated the consequences of the failure to delegitimize public social hate. In _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance_, Pirsig noted that the truth stands independently of social opinion. The strength of Martin Luther King's crusade was his success in reminding the American center that their nation had been founded on universal principles which transcended social opinion, and it was to the credit of the majority of southerners that when their nation resolutely affirmed principled behavior over their social values, they searched their hearts, and had the courage to change.
What is missing from yours and Savage's assertions is an understanding of the Enlightenment liberals' concept of toleration, which centered on a conviction of the humanity of all, including those whom we do not, or even cannot, like. Toleration made liberty possible, because it held that decent people can be impartial, and fair, even to those whom they dislike. The tolerant person, as Hayek suggested in "Why I Am Not a Conservative,” acts upon "political principles which enable him to work with people whose moral values differ from his own for a political order in which both can obey their convictions." This principle has an ancient pedigree. “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's” implies a tertium quid, that beyond all the things which divide and separate us, and motivate us to seek unjust advantage, is our common interest in seeking a better life for all.

Posted by Norman Smith | February 19, 2007 7:51 AM
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I wish he would stay the course. I think what he was trying to say was he hates what gays do and stand for. SO DO I. I just lost my mother last week to Alzheimer's. She was a wonderful woman, never smoked, drank, always exercised. What makes me want to vomit is the fact that gays drain the research dollars away from such diseases such as Alzheimer's to spend on AIDS. AIDS IS A LIFESTYLE DISEASE!!!! The NASTY FAGGOTS WHO WANT TO KEEP UP THEIR UNPROTECTED SEX ACTS IS THE MAIN REASON THEY WANT A CURE FOR THEIR DISEASE. I HAVE YOUR DAMN CURE---STOP YOUR SICK SEX ACTS AND IV DRUG USE AND AIDS WILL GO THE WAY OF THE DINOSAUR. Just for the record, last year, 4.5 million Americans were reported to have Alzheimers compared to 400,000 with AIDS. Research spending per death was over $162,000 for AIDS and just over $10,000 for Alzheimers. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! IF perverted sex is the way of the 21st Century, we better take a step back to some sanity and morals.

Posted by roger | February 19, 2007 10:07 AM
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I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE WRITING WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG DEAL SO THE MAN DOES NOT LIKE GAYS WE ALL HAVE OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES THAT MAKES US HUMAN SO EXCEPT THAT IT'S SO CALLED NEW WORTHY WHY IN GODS NAME IS IT STILL BEING TALKED ABOUT ITS DONE AND THAT FOR THE MAN TO HAVE TO KEEP SAYING HE'S SORRY FOR HIS COMMENTS IS DEGRADING TO NOT ONLY HIMSELF BUT TO HIS SELF WORTH HE'S GROWN IF HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE FRIENDS WITH US (GAYS) I DON'T THINK WE WILL LOOSE SLEEP OVER IT NOW HE'S SCARRED TO EVEN HAVE A BUSINESS WITH HIS NAME ON IT SO THAT SOME OTHER IDIOT WILL NOT HARM HIS EMPLOYEES THIS TIME AND AGE WE LIVE IN SHOULD BE GETTING BETTER NOT WORSE LET IT GO MOVE ON JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT BUT HEY IF I SAY I HATE LITTLE FLUFFY BUNNIES IN CHINA OR HEY EVEN CHINA PEOPLE (THEIR SHORT YOU KNOW) BECAUSE THEN OH MY GOD SHOULD I NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY SO. JUST TRYING TO MAKE A POINT AND NOT ITS NOT TRY I DON'T HATE THE BUNNIES HA HA. SORRY FOR THE RANTING ON BUT LETS GET A LIFE AND BITCH ABOUT SOMETHING REAL LIKE BUSH GETTING OUR YOUNG SOLDIERS KILLED FOR SOMETHING NONE OF OUR BUSINESS BYE

Posted by CLIFF | February 19, 2007 10:31 AM
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to #38
I agree 100%. AIDS has no cure, but its causes are preventable. There's not much we can do for some types of cancer, which by the way kills way more people than AIDS. Those who indulge in high-risk lifestyles have only themselves to blame. People like your mother are a sad reminder of how our government has failed us by outlawing "controversial" sciences such as stem cell research.

Posted by SammyG | February 19, 2007 2:29 PM
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TIM - WHY WHY did you apologize for the way you feel??? Are you not entitled to FREEDOM OF SPEECH along with me, myself and I????? I cannot even breath in the same room with a gay/homo/lesbian/queer/etc., etc.. These folks are not normal and THEY know that!!!!! The gays are sick sick sick and still trying to make straight normal people believe that THEY believe that being with the same sex is AOK!! And would someone please tell me - how do gays "have" families??? They can buy families - but HAVE!!!

Posted by Wilda | February 19, 2007 5:47 PM
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STAY STRONG TIM. I'M WITH YOU. THERE ARE MANY WHO FEEL THE WAY YOU DO. I PLAYED COLLEGE BALL AND THERE IS NO WAY I'D WANT A FAG ON MY TEAM. I DON'T CARE IF HE WAS EMMITT SMITH, EARL CAMPBELL, AND JOHN ELWAY ALL ROLLED INTO ONE. I'D MUCH RATHER PLAY WITH A WOMAN THAN SOME HOMO. TO HELL WITH ALL THE FAGS/HOMO'S OR WHAT EVER THEY WANT TO CALL THEMSELVES. THEY'RE LIKE ROACHES WHEN YOU TURN THE LIKE ON. EVERYWHERE. A MAN IS ENTITLED TO HIS OWN OPINION. HIS LIVELYHOOD SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN FROM HIM FOR SPEAKING HIS MIND. THIS SOCIETY IS PATHETIC. SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE OF FAGGOTS IS WRONG. THEY SHOULD KEEP THEIR "ASSES" IN THE CLOSET. IT'S SICK PERVERSION. TIM SPOKE HOW HE TRULY FEELS. I'M SURE HE ONLY APOLOGIZED BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA BACKLASH AND FOR HIS FAMILY. ALL FAGS SHOULD BE ROUNDED UP AND SET ADRIFT IN THE OCEAN TO DROWN LIKE RATS. REAL MEN IS WHAT IS NEEDED. THAT GOES FOR ALL THE "LESBOS" TOO. DROWN THEM ALL!!!

Posted by DADDY | February 19, 2007 10:11 PM
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Daddy, you really need to come out of the closet and get over yourself. When you accept your natural sexual orientation which is gay, you will begin getting overy your hate and anger with yourself and everyone else.

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Posted by tggsfs | February 23, 2007 1:25 PM
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lol,Hey Roger your a dumb-ass,more heterosexuals get aids more than homosexuals,it's just easier for gay men to get aids and gay women don't even get aids.you think aids research is unimportant when thousands of children are born with this disease?are you freakin kidding me?.you homophobes are pathetic.And as for Tim hardaway,he can hate all the people he wants because there will always be people that hate his black ass for being black.And for the people saying homosexuality is a perversion.All sex is a perverision if it's not for having children because it's based on lust-sexual attraction.I don't think most straight people are out there trying to have children,i think they just wanna screw each other,now thats perverted.Roger if your mother was anything like you,i'm gad the bitch got alzheimers and hopefully your next.Oh and wilda is biotch too,a really stupid bitch that makes no sense.And my favorite homophobe "DADDY" who is probably fucking his boyfriend right now because he's a closet homosexual who likes to use the word faggot alot to make himself seem less gay and homophobic to his conservative(cousins fucking)family.And biotch your not my daddy.lol.

Posted by sstacy | February 23, 2007 1:50 PM
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Posted by Jon | February 24, 2007 6:23 AM
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Posted by phjisfbz vxybtq | February 28, 2007 2:13 AM
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well, first of all stacyy, you clearly show who the true dumbass is in your pure lack of command of the English language. In using the word your, it should have been you're(the contraction for you and are). For example, stacyy, you're a dumbass. Secondly, you queers always revert to stats that have no data. Just as the lie about heteros having AIDS more than homos. Even in AFrica, if it were'nt for promiscuity and you faggots screwing each other in the asshole, it would not promulgate. And, yes, homo sex is TOTALLY perverted. If you don't believe it, try putting 1000 of you alone on an island and see how many are left in about 50 years. Kind of hard to reproduce with your kind of sex, but it does sound like you came out of an asshole. You are a true sick little son of a bitch who needs help. You rotten little mouthy piece of fodder who has the lack of tact or common decency to have reverence or sympathy for one who has just lost his mother. So, stacyy, I hope you get the AIDS virus shot up your little asshole one day and suffer a horrid death. You certainly deserve it!

Posted by roger | March 1, 2007 5:20 AM
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And one more thing, stacyy, when you are gasping for that last breath when AIDS is sucking out that last breath from you, I hope you think of the words I told you here and your mind suffers with your body.

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Posted by ktnxmfl xracl | March 2, 2007 12:25 AM
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Posted by ktnxmfl xracl | March 2, 2007 12:26 AM
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LOL,Oh roger,your mom was a bitch,forget about her.I doubt "homos" are going to be on an island by themselves,all humans, male and female are suppose to be together,they were created together from the dawn of mankind.Just because "homo's" don't fuck the opposite gender and shove out babies doesn't mean they have to be seperated from the rest of humanity.I know that's what you think life is all about,but it's not.Of course homosexuals can't reproduce naturally with the same sex,so they find other ways(adoption)etc.And the kids they adopt grow up as healthy as any other.Heterosexuals worldwide have larger cases of of hiv infection,especially in africa(THROUGH HETEROSEXUAL FUCKING).And i'm supprised that you can say aids comes from "faggots" fucking each other in the asshole in africa since no one knows where aids originated from inlcuding scientists,so bravo beacuse you must be one smart mother fucker.I bet you were one of the "faggots" getting fuck in there assholes in africa.And don't bullshit me,you assclown about stats that have no data.I get my facts from people who know alot more than your stupid ass.You blow everything you write and say out of your ass.And i doubt i'll get aids,sweetie,since i am asexual and have no desire for sex or any sexual contact.And i do have sympathy for people who have lost someone they love.But i find it hard to have sympathy for an asshole i thinks mother was just like him.An ignorant little bitch ass moron with no sense.oh,and roger,you say i'm a dumbass because i didn't use(you're instead of your)well guess what,thats's nothing,all the ignorant no nothing comments you've made on this site proves what a solid dumbass you are.I don't see a contrast between you and mister "DROWN THEN ALL"AKA -DADDY-(COMMENT #42)YOUR BOTH THE SAME.I COULD NEVER HAVE ANY SYMPATHY FOR YOU,BECAUSE I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT(YOU'RE) MOTHER WAS A FILTHY IGNORANT NO NOTHNG BITCH LIKE YOU.SO ROGER,SUCK ON THOSE MORALS BITCH.SYMPATHY? FUCK YOU.FUCK YOU IN THE NECK MOTHERFUCKER.FUCK YOU.No one knows if people are born gay,but there have been many research done that shows its not chosen.People like you like to talk about how homosexuality is unatural,immoral and that homosexuals are mentally sick,ok,well i hear about innocent people getting beaten up and killed because there gay and raped while hearing the words faggot and dyke in there ears.Is that how you treat a mentally sick person,beat and kill them,well i guess that's what you call morals.The bastards that beat these are savages without compassion,and you have the same trait they do,stupidity and ignorance.I could never have sympathy for someone like you.So i'll say it again,FUCK YOU AND (YOU'RE)MOTHER.

Posted by sstacy | March 2, 2007 8:45 AM

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