Right on, Dan. I'd like to see a ("Fuck you"-less) version of this in the P-I. Mary has been accustomed her whole life to having it both ways, but when she steps forward, she has to find out how wrong she has always been.
Did Mary technically get "knocked the fuck up"? Does "knocking" refer to being banged or just getting pregnant? Not that ole Mary couldn't have gotten banged, of course...just asking.
Nice job, Dan....as usual, I completely agree and couldn't have said it better myself.
The hypocracy of the right is what galls me the most about them, and the fact that the media seems to turn a blind eye to it. Dick Cheney getting huffy because Wolfe Blitzer brought up a legitimate debate point started by the republicans was a great example of how the right wants it both way, and the media will let them. Blitzer could have pushed the issue and brought up all the instances the Bush Admin. has vilified the gays, but he just moved on.
Dan, thank you so much for expressing what so many of us think! Mary Cheney, like so many gay Republicans, twists reality to suit themselves. They keep insisting that sexual orientation is only a small part of their being. Meanwhile ALL het Republicans feature their opposite-sex lovers and families as major campaign strategies. So-called 'family values' have always been THE most important aspect of Republican lives, campaigns, and talking-points. And guess what - the same is true for most humans. Our sexual orientation and our close intimate relationships are the most important aspects of our lives. Yet Republican gay shills have to tie themselves into knots claiming that for gays, their family lives must remain private and secret. Or even perverted and shadowy like Ken Mehlman and Jim Kolbe.
I believe that baby would be a blessing from a sperm donor, not from God. Unless...Mary do you have something to tell us?
I love you, Dan Savage.
Bravo Dan! It's nice to see an American fag standing up for himself (yes, I know you've made a career of this). Why are there so many hypocrite republican homo-apologists in the states? and "bisexuals" (not bisexuals)? Is it just me or are your numbers really high?
Mary Cheney is simply a wicked and selfish bitch. She is a classic example of cognitive dissonance. And her exhorbitant family fortune allows for a lot of self denial.
Thanks Dan! As parents of an 8 year old boy, my partner and I are starting to face some really difficult questions (made worse by the fact that both our parents are extremely religious - mine are ministers) from him about the legitimacy of our family. It shouldn't be this way, and like you I do blame Mary and her family's cozy relationship with the Dobsons and Falwells of this world. Being a parent is hard work that is only made harder by people who claim to be "pro-family"!
You should nickname her Lady Haw-Haw.
You need to send this very letter directly to Mary. She needs to read this more than we do.
At least the wrong-wingers and I agree on one thing: Mary Cheney is a nasty betch.
I pity that kid when he asks for a subscription to The Nation and she tells him to go fuck himself.
Dan -- GO! GO! GO! Faster, Pussycat, faster -- KILL, KILL!!
And I completely agree with #8.
I would love to see this sent to her. What I want even more is to hear a legitimate reply from her. Every interview with her that I have watched/listened to has been so full of her being evasive and unwilling to take a stand on anything. It makes me want to shake her and ask her how she looks in the mirror.
Dan, your point about what Mary will have to tell her son or daughter is right on the money. Unfortunately, being a Cheney, Mary probably will not bat an eye explaining to her child that the money and power she got from being a the repub daughter of the VP were more valuable to her than her self-respect. And being a Cheney, her child probably will understand what she means...
Danny boy, you are the rare gay celeb with a backbone. Two-timing bitches like Mary are the reason we as gays can't get anywhere. We're good enough to sleep with when they're horny, but when we're getting our asses kicked for standing up they're nowhere to be found. Oh, there they are, with their right-wing parents. Now ain't that sweet...
Please submit this as your next NYT op-ed. These arguments need to be heard by as broad an audience as possible.
I love the way you write.
What made me want to scream is when Wolf asked Dick about this, Wolf was quoting the AFA! And Dick (being the dick that he is) acted like Wolf was throwing Mary under the bus. Whattan asshole. And Wolf, whatta pussy! I would said, "hey dick, it is your people saying this, so if you think it is a bullshit question, look into the camera and tell them so."
Did she think she was invited to Barnard College to sit on a panel discussion sponsored by Glamour magazine to discuss hair products?
Dan is exactly on point, but of course almost no one will ever read this column, and the Cheneys themselves certainly haven't had to publicly face questioning about their role in creating and encouraging these politics of hate. How can we get mainstream journalists to confront the Cheneys with honest questions and observations like Dan's? Isn't there anyone who will do it?
Dan you are a hero!!!!
The last person I want representing me and my three adopted boys is a self-hating, self-serving robaton that can't seem to fathom she actually has some responsibility for her Daddy's buddy's diatribes against her.
You took the words right out of my keypad, Dan!
Bravo. I am damn near close to tears.
I'd give you blow job for that article.
Thank you, Mr. Savage for saying what badly needed saying. Too bad Wolf Blitzer didn't use your very words when talking to that evil asshole who's that child's grandfather. I may not think the child should be involved, but she and other hypocrites (read Log Cabin Republicans, etc. here)should have their collective asses handed to them time and time again. It's not okay to use baseless, destructive hate to suck up to voters.
Rock on Dan, that was great!
you are so right on the mark even dickhead cheney couldnt miss the caged, defensless, bird...er....i mean target. way to be!!!! im posting this on myspace and sending it to everyone in my address book!!
According to Dobson, Robertson and the rest of those Evangelican republicans you, Mary, are an abomination to God who should be imprisoned or killed. You have no right to that baby, to bring it up in sin. This was okay when you campaigned for the republicans. Hell, Bush claims to be one of them. How dare you support these kinds of peoples and ideas. You are such a pathetic hypocrit, which has shamed your family and the republican party. You certainly have no character and no strength for the truth being part of a campaign that hurt so many people. How does it feel...to be the scorn of 'decent' people. No one sympathizes with you.
Mary dear, they're called "equal rights" when applied to everyone. What you're claiming are called "special rights".
If there were ever a woman who deserves the word HYPOCRITICAL BITCH it would be Mary.
But does that surprise us? Look at the dick of a father she has. And don't even get me started on her mother. This whole "family" are basically FREAKS of nature that deserve no space on this planet.
GREAT commentary Dan!
AMEN Dan. This lesbian LOVES you!
I hate that supercilious "privacy" argument by the Cheney family.
You're right. FUCK them (and the horse they road in on).
I've been so surprized that we have let this issue go unchallenged and allow it to become a marriage issue when what DOBSON and Blitzer asked goes to the very issue of whether she is even permitted to CONCIEVE!!
Dan, this is perfect. How dare she? Even given that she sprang from the rankest of gene pools -I'm thinking LaBrea Tarpits - she's responsible for her own vileness. Disgusting, like all of them.
Dan, this is one conservative Evangelical Christian who couldn't agree more. Government has no business saying who can and can't get married. The only "life-style choice" Jesus ever railed on was hypocrisy. I wish more in my camp understood that....
Bravo, Dan, and well said.
The haunted House of Cheney will sit abandoned on a hill overlooking America for many years...
My campaign, First Freedom First, talks about how Respect for All Families is a right for Americans -- and that includes Mary Cheney and anyone else who does not have a "traditional family model".
Please check out the website and sign the petition to stand up for freedom of personal choice.
I'm a Christian who understands, Joe (41). Many or most of today's wrong-wing "Christians" blaspheme the name of Jesus.
I have to wonder how much she loves this child or her partner that they are remaining in Virginia, the worst-of-the-worst states for lgbt people and their families. This hasn't been brought up that I recall, but I can't imagine anyone of integrity and the protectiviness we feel for those we love having her kid in a state that will deny her partner any rights and may just take the kid away one of these days. Mary Cheney, like too many gay people, hates herself very deeply (and have been taught to, in all fairness). The woman is seriously damaged. And I loved the 'your venemous mother' insert.
Isn't it time someone asked who dicked cheney?
I do think you’re the nicest friend I ever had!
Way to say, Joe #41.
Compassionate conservatives for torture. Indeed!
I hate you if you're different.
Xenophobic christians abound in the anomalous world. How sad for them to miss the spendor that is all around them...but no inside them.
I'd sure like to see her face as someone read this aloud to her.
#41's got it right too...
Give 'em hell, Harry ! (I mean Dan)
For you youngins who don't know who Harry was - clue: He succeeded FDR as President!
Damn that was a great article. I just hope that it somehow makes it's way to that smug, smirking mom-to-be.
There are so many loathsome things to hate about this family and their party. But right now it's the arrogance and contempt that comes to mind. The lies this family spews is astounding, and no one calls them on it. 'We'll be greated as liberators', 'The insurgency is in the last thros', and now 'This baby is not political.' Fuck them. People die, people are mamed, people live in fear from their decisions, but they never have to feel any of the pain or consequences.
The one consolation is that her kid will grow up in a family of severe mixed messages 'Gays are evil, except your 2 mommies.' I want to be around to see that kid grow up - and I pray he grows up to be a gay man.
To MISTER Mary Cheney and MISTER Heather Poe and their illegitimate BASTARD of a test-tube creature: FUCK YOU!
You carpet-munching cunt-servatives can just go FUCK OFF!
You made the bed, I hope it's nice and lumpy.
May you both experience the same hell of discrimination your father's administration has wrought upon this country.
Dan, You are right on the money with this and your tough language is appropriate. The GOP has used the most hateful speech possible to describe our families and it may take a little rough talk to get through to the self-hating gays and lesbians like Mary Cheney who support the GOP.
You go Dan! I'd love for this to be printed far and wide.
You tell 'em! CNN was running a piece yesterday saying the far right was mad at Mary Cheney while "gay rights activists" "love" her statements. And I was like WTF?!!! Most gay rights activists I know HATE Mary Cheney. I know I do. Let's leave her as the pariah without a country she deserves to be. I mean, who knows, maybe the Advocate, as it grows more and more tepid and right wing every day, will come out with an issue with a smiling Mary Cheney on the cover throwing her hat in the air like Mary Tyler Moore, and an article telling us how she's the best thing since sliced cheese. But most sane gay and lesbian folk will (and should) still shun this rich, selfish harpy like three week old garbage.
If you haven't already I think that you should literally email or snail mail this post to that hypocritical bitch. She and that whole fascist gang make me sick.
Thanks for saying that, Dan. As a tolerant straight male who respects all for who they are, I must say I am just disgusted with what is happening down in the US. Just disgusted.....
Brilliant Dan! My favorite touch was the mention of her "venomous mothe"! That woman is the feminine personification of evil! Alas, the Cheney's gazillions made from war-profiteering, will keep Mary in her own priveledged and hypocritical bubble for ever!
A-fucking-men! Thanks, Dan, for channeling the rage I feel towards this woman and her outrageous indignation at being treated like the rest of us. Oh, and today in MI the appeals court ruled that the state (including the universities) CANNOT provide health benefits to the partners of LGBT folks. Thanks, Mary. Your dad's friends did this.
Pretty funny, Savage, when you were so busy being the bottom boy for this and you're still trying to clean the shoe polish off your tongue for this.
What is it that you hate so much about Mary Cheney? Is it the fact that she reminds you constantly of how many millions of dollars and hours you gave to homophobes because of the "D" after their names? Is it the fact that she doesn't buy into your theory that happiness is in screaming "Yes SIR, may I have another!" when the same politicos you said were "pro-gay" and "gay-supportive" screw you over?
Oh, and Matt:
Oh, and today in MI the appeals court ruled that the state (including the universities) CANNOT provide health benefits to the partners of LGBT folks.
Yep, based on the results of the 2004 election, in which Michigan voted for two things overwhelmingly -- Democratic candidates and an antigay state constitutional amendment.
Looks more like YOUR "friends" did it to you, not Mary Cheney.
Dan, you rock! Greetings from Mexico...
Here's what I want to know: What kind of health insurance does Mary and her partner have? What kind of legal standing does their relationship have?
If Mary's having the baby and unconscious, does her partner get to make medical decisions for her and the baby?
Does daddy's money and power buy Mary the civil rights that all other gay people are being told they don't deserve - by Mary and her daddy?
Dan - I've loved you before but never so much as right now. Keep fighting this one - she deserves all the fuck you's you can dish out.
Our deadly division of Hate&Homophobia out here , the so-called Idaho Values Alliance ( Seig Heil! ) has decided to NOT push their anti-gay adoption bill this year . Now I know why : Cheeney's Lesbian-Born Grand-daughter .
When these Christianist groups want a hate bill in " our " legislature , they will get it , No Problema ! That's because our "representatives" in the Statehouse are over 50% Mormon . If they just practiced their religion and left me alone I'd love 'em . But they don't so I don't
One thousand times yes...Although I too would like to see M.C. read this, it would require reading lessons on her behalf. Since she has a short attention span at best, and has, in fact learned nothing except how to talk out of both sides of her mouth, this serves as another rallying cry to all of us from Dan to get M.C. and her kind, OUT OF OFFICE!!!
A pregnant right wing lesbian.
Dan, you rock. Keep it up. Much love and good karma in your direction.
At least Mary Cheney and I can agree on one thing: this IS a gift from God. Let's hope she and Heather know how to water and feed or at least how to use their millions to hire someone who does.
Mary and Child by Born Against
Once again the battle field is your body
and those who want control have laid
down their terms in black & white and red all over
they keep the backstreet butchers in business
as advertised from a bullhorn and the all knowing man
has set up his make-believe graveyard
with tiny white crosses for millions of
someday I'd like to see a cross set up for
a real live human being who bled to death
to maintain the sanctity of mary
mary & child
scream the bigots who couldn't care less about human life
obey their self-righteous lies
while your sisters & daughters die
all decisions are final
your body is forbidden.
Thank you Dan for telling it like it is.
Don't want the whole world nosing in on your private life? Then get them the hell out of everyone's private lives and private orifaces.
And this doesn't mean that people shouldn't be able to kiss in public. Homosexuals and heterosexuals have exactly the same rights to gross everyone out (though in both cases, I wish they'd keep that part of their relationship private) - but their bringing kisses out into the open does not mean the gov't has the right to follow w/their noses and laws into everyone's bedroom
Mary Cheney...A lesbian, a Right Wing Republican, pregnant.
Isn't that one of the seven signs of the apocolypse?
God, Mary, try to be more of a selfish aristocrat, OK? You thrash both Kerry and Edwards in your book (remember your "total slime" comment?), while, for all intents and purposes, you turned your partisan deaf ear to Alan Keyes calling you a "selfish hedonist" and Jerry Falwell implying that you're mentally unstable. You work to further empower the anti-marriage elements of the GOP, and now, when Dobson, inc. attacks you, you spin this web of candy-coated crap?? Go back down into the royal bunker, Mary. The rest of us will keep on in the real world, while you keep wallow in your executive privilege, reviling the audacity of us mere and queer commoners who dare to scoff at your imperial courtliness.
Forty-five years ago, I was a baby that was a "blessing from God." I am still a "blessing from God." And, when I have children, they will be a "blessing from God." How dare Mary Cheney think that only her child is a "blessing from God."
This is what her and her Party have "blessed" on our country:
Michigan court vetoes same-sex benefits
I would dare ask Mary Cheney: "Aren't we all a "blessing from God?" Why do some families have to suffer because they are not rich and famous. Could this simply be a class issue? Is Mary Cheney such an elitist that she can't see how her Party's actions are hurting people.
MARY: People who are GLBTIQ are a "blessing from God" but they can't have benefits.
DO SOMETHING. Have your Father instruct Bush to sign an executive order called "The 'Blessing From God' Law" that guarantee's all GLBTIQ people with EQUAL RIGHTS. That law would extend a ban on discrimination towards GLBTIQ people in adoption, housing, jobs, etc. A bill that your Party does not endorse is ENDA. Do something to help the millions of GLBTIQ people who do not have the benefits and privilege that are attached to your rich and famous family.
Your baby may well be a "blessing from God." Please remember, though, that you and Heather may also be a "blessing from God." Mary: We are all a "blessing from God." We need to all be treated equally not only under the eye of "God" but also under the rule of Law.
Yes, Cheney and the R's are hypocrites, but how many of you think Dick Cheney cares what liberals think. He's going to be spending his last days (until his heart implodes) enjoying his Halliburton stock options from a lifetime of war profiteering. Liberals' ire needs to be directed at the Dobsons and Falwells of the world. And not with reasoned and passionate debate (even though I agree with most comments above). The religious right needs to be laughed at and ridiculed for the chumps that they are, being used by hypocrites like Cheney and Rove for votes. Evangelicals care even less what liberals think about them than Cheney, but they will understand being laughed at by people. Once the Falwells of the world feel that they are losing their cash cow in support from their flock, they will turn on politicians like Cheney or Bush. We saw a glimpse of this in the 2006 election. This is the only way to defeat the Cheneys of the world.
To Cosmic Glue:
No shit, sherlock. I'm just as pissed at the lame-ass Dems in this state as I am at the Republicans. The Dems in Michigan threw us under the fucking bus, and I haven't forgiven them. But I still work for change. Save your know-it-all shit for people you actually know.
Jebus....these sons of bitches collect our federal, state and local witholding taxes, property taxex, sales taxes and Lord know how many other taxes straight out of our pockets without asking for or getting our permission.
The insurance companies take our premiums without question.
Our lard-assed, fag-hating Senators and representatives collect the enormous salaries and perks we also pay.
Welfare and family assistance is funded with our tax dollars.
Social Security is funded with our taxes.
Our tax money helps to support unwed mothers/children with dead-beat husbands.
Our tax dollars support an illegal and immoral war no one with a lick of sense wants to support anymore.
GLBT people serve their country, get shot at and killed just like anyone else, many of whom are maimed and crippled for life, but are told that must observe a DADT policy or face a humiliating courts martial and be stripped of the benefits and dignity they have earned and should be entitled to
Heterosexual married couples are entitled to some 1100 Federal benefits for which we help to pay, but are denied access to.
It's "open season" on gays by homophobes in America. Each year, thousands of GLBT people are verbally abused, physically assaulted, beaten to within an inch of their lives and hundreds brutally murdered, simply for being gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgendered. Yet, when we ask for laws to protect us from such abuse, we are told that, "We are seeking special treatment." when all we are asking for, is the same protection all other Americans receive, but which GLBT people are not getting under present existing laws.
The list of things gay tax money goes to pay for is loudly decried and protested when we ask for the same treatment every other American Taxpayer in this country expects...and gets. When we stand up and ask for those same entitlements that we helped pay for, we are told NO WAY. "Sit down and shut up....or get lost."
Members of the religious right, Senators, Congressman, Politicians, Judges and courts can argue about this shit until they are blue in the face, but, the plain fact that no one seems to recognize or pay any lip service to is.....
this is taxation without representation. Pure and simple.
Doesn't anyone get this, including some of the always negative posters and hecklers on Gay.com?
What will it take for the gay community, HRC, ACLU GLAAD and all the other organizations we support with our contributions and donations to launch a full-scale counter attack on those, who will ever stop attacking us, unless we stand up in unison and say, enough is enough like M.L.K. did?
Why are we tolerating this and allowing it to happen right before our very eyes?
Are we just going to sit here and wait for the Amerikan Gestapo to come in the middle of the night, using the Military Commissions Act as an excuse to round us up like Germany did?
Wake up....before it is too late!
But, giving us what we are paying for is unconstitutional???
I'll tell you what is unconstitutional. The State government of Michigan is what's fucking unconstitutional.
Bad enough they amended their State Constitution to forbid same-sex marriages. Are they now going to use it as a tool to strip us equal rights in the workplace, fair-housing practices and lord knows what else next?
These people need to be stopped. NOW!
And another thing, yo.
Michigan HARDLY voted "overwhelmingly" for Dems in 2004. Kerry won by a mere 3%. Yes, Dems did pick up some Republican seats in the state house, but the Republicans kept the majority until 2006. Oh, and the D's didn't put this on the ballot. The fucking Republicans did. You can't deny that. Republicans are behind these anti-gay amendments, not Republicans. Fuck the Republicans. And fuck Mary Cheney.
Replace "not Republicans" with "not Democrats". Off to bed.
Fascinating how much the Cheney family guards their privacy and how little they value it for the rest of us.
Wow! Well said. You took the words right out of my mouth. And this Seething Mom loves you for it.
i *CANNOT WAIT* to see Mary & her sister Liz fighting over their dead parents estate!!!
President Bush can bash gays before 40 million Americans in his SOTU address, but if a lone reporter asks Vice-President Cheney a single question about the sexuality of his daughter he gets to throw a hissy fit? Only in the Vice-President's distorted view of reality could that be considered normal.
Poor is the man who is too shamed to fight for his own family. Dick Cheney is a loser.
I thought it was funny as hell too.
But it's a shame we are taking pleasure in a new mother's misery, no matter how misguided or malevolent she truly is.
Mary Cheney is a major league cunt. A despicable bitch who gives all lesbians a bad name. She should rot in Dobson's hell.
I support you.
I have always had a visceral disgust toward the demonic witch/beast Mary Cheney. She is the embodiment of an ice cold hearted selfish biatch. But it still astonishes me that she so violently hates anyone who mentions her lesbianism. Yet she portends to raise a child in secrecy and shame of her lesbian identity. Please dear God, let the power of the Virginia legislature strip her of all parental rights.
what you said, dan. you completely rock.
and it looks like a few other folks agree with me...
I like swear words as much as the next fucking person.
The problem with them, however, is that they provide a convenient excuse for the lame-ass non-thinking Republicans to stop reading your article.
Hypocritical Republicans need to hear your message that "my baby is also not a political pawn/prop, so stop treating it like one if you want me to stop treating Mary Cheney's baby like one."
A swear word, un-fucking-fortunately, gives those people, some of whom might have actually come around, believe it or fucking not, to say "fuck it" and just get the fuck off your web page. You may not care, but you do have a spotlight for a short time here and it would be great to see it used well.
Me? Yes, I say fuck. But my target audience is just one person, and I know you are fuck-tolerant.
In my above post, "fucking not, to say" should have been "fucking not, permission to say".
Have a great weekend!
if you let two gay men adopt a baby, won't they like, play around with its ass?
Nice rant. You have an interesting definition of hypocrisy, though. Also, some of the "idiot" sniping you do would be better served if your commenters could be trusted to spell the word correctly.
You forgot the part about Cheney never saying a single homophobic thing in public, nor did you remember the FACT that Cheney has never, not once, pushed a single piece of legislation that violates the civil rights of gay people. You never provided any evidence that he did, you just traded in your lame-ass and boring Bush/Rove correlation. As if there isn't enough of that shit on the Internets. Nice job.
You are correct, however, about Evangelicals not caring about what you think: they don't. They don't read your blog, and your words will have approximately zero impact on any of them.
Right on Dan. It is nothing more than delusional for her to attempt to have it both ways.
Meh. It seems that the day when Republicans or Democrats can have a passionate, thought-provoking speech about something that matters without throwing it all away by going right back to the stone age with "Your Party Is Bad And Wrong" spiel will be a remarkable one.
I like some things about the Repubs. I also have a number of things that I don't. I'm probably more R than D, but I've never felt entitled to treat another human being with the same respect that I'd like to be treated unless they went out of their way to demonstrate how low they'd like to treat others.
This was a good read for the most part, but there's something that you're missing that just about everyone needs to learn: you can't complain about people deluding themselves into believing their own version of reality without having to account for any of the actual facts on the table...if in the game breath you're going to let fly a bunch of generalizations about their faction being utterly wrong in every way.
One, it means you've deluded yourself, because neither party is the "non-corrupt" one. Two, a person with a contrary opinion can't be shown the error of their ways if you 1) not only have no intention at all of considering the fact that they might be right in at least some respects, but 2) also go as far as to generalize their faction as completely wrong, on the basis of your personal opinion.
All of that said, I agree with the general message. But learn how to teach your skeptics the wrongs of their ways, seriously. The fact that so many comments chime right in with all of that "wrong wing" and "evil party" crap shows that it's just a mutually feel-good popularity club. How do you think the Republicans got so conceited? Learn how to strike a middle ground and don't masturbate openly about how great it is to be in your particular elitist social circle because The Enemy Which Doesn't Agree With You Is Wrong.
Err. I meant "with less than the same respect". It's 6:30AM and I'm tired as hell, go figure. :D I'm sure someone'll make the requisite quip about that being the way I really feel, but blind rejection and spin doctoring of the things people say when they don't agree with you is just the popular thing to do these days. :D
Whew, Mary is just trying to hold her relationship with her parents together. Just as Dick is trying to hold his relationship with the Republican Party together without either becoming a lightning rod for gay and lesbian rights issues. Either one, of course, could elicit further action toward gay and lesbian rights behind the scenes. Could this scenario actually occur? Well, probably not, as Mary would have to grow a set of balls first.
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Let me know if I am wrong here, but didn't Mary have to "cheat on her partner" to get pregnant?
So much for family values.
I don't understand why any interviewer can't get past the Cheney family snarl style. Ask Dick about blunders in Iraq, and he just snarls at the guy who's interviewing him, and the interviewer just curls-up and shuts up. Ask Mary Cheney, she snarls, and she receives no further challenging questions. How the hell do they keep getting away with this bullying-style kind of crap?
Great points. You would boost your credibility tremendously if you managed to refrain from constant profanity, though. It makes you sound juvenile and allows the opposition to discount your arguments as rants.
Does she have a "partner"? I am not familiar with her love life, can someone fill me in? Also, what is up with the sexual medication ad @ # 96?.
I have to agree with Daniel. VP Cheney has not really done anything against our community per se, and publically disagreed with the President on GLBT issues (I wish to God he had as much influence with Bush concerning us as he does with the debacle in Iraq, but I digress). So what if Mary doesn't want to pick a public fight? Most of us know what it is like to be shunned from our families or have problems with employers because of who we are, and I will not condemn someone who is already "out" if she doesn't want to assume a more agressive advocacy role. Some people in here need to mind their own business in that regard, and pick up the slack if they feel the need to do something. As a trans woman who is still married to my wife, I was initially very "out" in advocacy, but when my marriage began to suffer after my wife was harrased at work and my sons' teacher at one school began saying things...I had to cool my jets. My relationships are more important then my desire to go out and fight at the moment, and I cannot risk any harm coming to my child because of my visibility. If I'm a coward because of that, oh well. I was willing to be a machine gunner on a helicopter in Korea 10 years ago...but I won't let my family be held hostage over my decision to be who I really am.
Very well said indeed. I fear this sort of extremism coming to UK shores very soon. These people who'd rather believe in iron age fairy stories than the rights of their fellow human beings to live how they see fit will be the undoing of us all, unless we have the courage to say what is right. Register to vote. Vote.
Nice try, Dan. Once again, you take a side against the hypocritical -- but on the basis of your own situation only.
Where were you when Andrew Sullivan was lecturing the rest of us about our sex lives while advertising for bareback sex? You were kissing his ass, of course.
And then there was your infamous essay calling out lefties for their attitude towards Bush's warmongering.
I enjoy your sex advice, but when it comes to politics, you have all the consistency of Andrew Sullivan himself. I agree with your position on Mary Cheney, of course, but I'm also keenly aware of your own hypocrisy.
You said exactly what I have been thinking ever since I heard Mary's comments (and Dick's statement that the subject was inappropriate to bring up). The fucks were even necessary to express my total outrage over Mary Cheney's Uncle Tom behavior.
The Cheney family are comprised of the most dispicable, immoral, criminal, arrogant and cowardly people alive. None of them have ever done anything to improve the lives of Americans - quite the opposite. They are heartless, blood-stained war profiteers.
Dick Cheney must be impeached! As you have clearly documneted, Mary Cheney is much like that low-life mother Lynne and that repugnant father Dick - Cowards, all of them!
One small edit... instead of "Sorry, Mary, and fuck you." I think I would have said "Sorry, Mary, and go fuck yourself." It's a phrase she's probably pretty familiar with.
I wanted to vomit when i read the NY times article. Hypocrisy and sanctimony are alive and well in Mary Cheney. I think you were too kind with her prop comment. It seems she is calling most other children of same sex couples props, particularly those couples who oppose the Republican party. In other words those kids were conceived or adopted to promote a political agenda. She feels compelled to talk about her pregnancy only because the political opposition has forced her to. What bullshit. I hope she has a healthy baby who grows up and writes Mommie Dearest the Sequel.
Ms. Cheney is, and, as far as I can tell, always has been, a professional lesbian. She certainly was when she tried to break the gay boycott against the Coors Brewing Company, owned by the homophobic Coors family. She certainly was when she worked for the Republican party.
Sorry, Mary, what goes around, comes around. You've made your bed, now sleep in it. BTW, Mary, unless you conceived your child the "natural" way, you knew what you were doing when you had yourself implanted with that embryo. You don't have anyone to blame for your trials or tribulations regarding this little stunt but yourself.
For the sake of your child, Dan, I hope you can lose, temper - or at least hide - some of the razor edge of your bitterness because it's a terrible environment in which to grow up. I completely agree that single sex couples can raise healthy children. In fact, I think there's a lot of reason to believe our kids might be better off raised in healthy, nurturing single sex families. But your anger is scary and palbable and can weigh heavily on your child.
Yay DAN!!!!! Thank you thank you thank you!!!
Dan of course is 100% correct.
However, his constant use of profanity will greatly detract from his credibility and the likelihood that people we would like to persuade will even bother to complete reading his comments.
Dan, plese refrain from the swear words, it ruins an otherwise very well written piece.
How about a nationwide baby shower to really bring this more to the public eye and expose the hypocrisy? Gift ideas abound.
YES YES YES
Dan, Awsome article on the immaculate conception of Mary.....Speak truth to power!
Dear Mr. Savage - Speaking as a happily married heterosexual man, I would blow your principles and take your elocution right in the face.
best post ever.
Thank you sir! There are so many things to think about during the day, and my contempt for the Cheney family's disgusting hypocrisy hadn't received the proper attention.
Oh, and in response to those who would have you tone down your language: fuck you all where the sun don't shine. Some things are best expressed with the fricative power of obscenity, darlings--get over yourselves.
One thing none of you get (I'm in R country):
MOST of the R Base actually don't know about Mary. THEY DON"T WATCH THE NEWS much! So, when THIS gets a mention on something BIG the R-base might watch (Wolf Blitzer), then the Cheney's squak, squak, squak, and seek to punish as a way of warning off future revelations. Wolf will be punished and you could see the fear in his eyes when he realized that. The punishment for news "personalities" is cutting off access. That ends careers.
Am I the only gay guy posting here who feels that the Mary Cheney bashing has gone too far? Dan's piece is interesting, and there are many reasons to be angry with the Cheney family. But seriously, take it easy on her. Can you imagine her kid reading these comments about his/her mom someday? Ouch.
Dan, CNN should hire you to replace the Blitzer.
And Mary Cheney wrote a BOOK that she wanted to be a best seller, in which she purported to share her experiences and feelings on a whole bunch of topics. But on the strikingly obvious issues that arise from this "blessing from God," she's Miss Demure.
It's not fooling anyone, and Wolf should have pressed the Veep when he got "oh-so-offended" when Wolf pointed out those same contradictions.
Then again, I feel the same way about Log Cabin Republicans. Jeez, just find a party that doesn't treat you like trash, already. Consider coming back only if they become decent human beings.
i love you dan savage! happy valentines day!
thats about the stupidest thing I've ever seen written. It ranks right up there with Dr. Suess and Green Eggs and Ham... geesh.. get a flippin' life.
It's the the way Mary Cheney has conducted herself that I am now for same sex marriage/unions. All the crap being vomited here has done zero to sway me as an american voter to support gay unions. I have more in common with Mary Cheney as a thoughtful and open minded person than with all of YOU closing the door to debating the oppositions view on gay marriage. If I disagree on the matter (as i used to) I'm automatically a bigot. Can't we all just have a discussion, a real one?
Wonderful post, Dan. You are right on every level and I am disgusted by MC and DC getting all indignant at questions they should be facing every time a camera turnes in their direction. We are in Iraq because of homophobia, it was the issue that put Bush over the top (assuming the vote count was even close to right) in both 2000 and 2004.
To those who addressed the tangential issue of profanity; yes, some things are best addressed with profanity, but sadly it does provide an excuse to the hypocrites for ignoring your point. That is a valid point and worth considering.
Special thanks to 41 and 44, too.
Thanks Dan for shedding light on the out and out "weirdness" of Dick Cheney and now his daughter. When Wolf Blitzer asked Dick Cheney about his daughter, the silent cold icy stare spoke volumes about how Cheney thinks. By telling Wolf that "his question was way out of line", like many right wingers, he could not honestly answer what he actually thought without estranging himself from his supporters who view his daughter as an aberration of sorts. And it also displayed this administrations contempt of the press, and free speech. Because the Bush/Cheney team have used gay people as a "wedge issue" for campaign purposes, YES the question was pertinent, and silent cold icy stares
created not only an awkward moment, but it illustrated how Dick Cheney thinks. If he doesn't want to hear it, the issue is off the table, no matter how pertinent. Is this the same way he takes advice from our Commanders on the ground in Iraq? If it's not what he wants to hear, "you're out of line", etc.? Is this someone who should be V.P? The fact that he could not see that question was NOT out of line proved to me that hes not much of a thinker. His strange, angry and awkward response to Wolf Blitzer spoke more volumes than any words he would've been able to muster. Oh, and by the way, now we need more troops in Iraq, they're thinking about letting gays back into the military (not that gays are into it). Simply just being gay was reason to be kicked out...and now..well, you know, it's different. I can't stand hypocrisy and that seems par for the course with this Administration, its the rule, not the exception and it's maddening to watch.
I sincerely wish Mary and Heather had the right to have their child in privacy. The reality is that gay Americans were put on the front lines of a political battle and she *chose* to side with the opposition. She *chose* to have a child, which while an absolute blessing, was a choice that puts her in the cross hairs of this battle.
She's not getting a free pass here...not from me and not from the rest of the gay community.
Hey Dick - You and your party are trying destroy my family and you're long overdue to face the same painful reality.
What the Cheneys need to fess up to is that they are pro-gay all the way and are not opposed to same sex sex/partnership/marriage for religious, ideological or personal reasons. They opppose because of politics--war and hate still play out better with the electorate than silly things like love and tolerance. Give the Cheneys a good war and they're happy. Who sticks what where is not that important, so long as no vote gets left behind.
Dan, I have no problem with your opinion. But your column drips with hatred, as do many of the comments posted. Going to war with the Right gets us nowhere. Hating Mary Cheney and her "kind" is easy. It’s also self-defeating. I don't care who on the Right accepts me or not. What are we going to do -- change their minds? Self-righteous anger at the Right feels good ... and keeps us stuck. We want understanding and tolerance from the Right? Let’s do something truly radical and go first. The majority of Americans oppose gay marriage. Are they evil or are they scared? If they're evil, as so many gays seem to believe, then we may as well move to Sweden, because there is no hope of ever persuading them towards acceptance of full equality for gays and lesbians. If they are just scared, then there is hope. I pray Martin Luther King wasn't the last of his kind. Calling Mary Cheney a self-hating bitch is so beneath us.
Well said, TPP. If she's learned nothing else, Mary Cheney has certainly learned to ignore even the most valid criticism.
You too, Mr. Savage. The Cheneys' evasiveness is baffling and frustrating to a lot of straight guys, too. Am I to believe that my own marriage is so weak as to be threatened by someone else's? Or that my own children will be better off just because their parents are of opposite sexes? Wouldn't the important thing be that I be a good Dad? The implication of Cheney's past statements are that it'd be better to be an asshole and be straight than be a loving father and be gay? Baffling.
Funny, isn't it, how "pro-family" jerks like Cheney demean everyone's family with their horseshit?
Wow, Dan. Hate and profanity in the same column. That would be helpful to our side how, exactly?
132 it helps by t(>_<t)
Gee whiz I can't imagine why Dan would be someone irate about this. Our Side should clearly make only a pleasant noise while a boot stomps on our face.
Maybe Mr. Savage should write a piece that explains why he's hostile toward Ms. Cheney. Oh wait! He just did!
What the hell do you people want? These Families United for a Clean Tomorrow types sputter an unending froth of bile and overt hatred and get it backed by law, and gay parents have to explain to their kids what the hell some douchebag means when explaining that his parents are abominations and the kid is damaged.
Why should Dan turn the other cheek? He's not the Christian.
Right on, TPP. Spewing the same kind of bile the Right sends our way doesn't work. But we'll keep on trying! Brilliant.
I love you!
Well said. The funny thing about bigots (of all stripes) is that they make exceptions for those they know personally.
"I hate black people, but not my friend Steve, he's cool."
"Lesbians are ruining this country. Except of course my daughter and a few other Republican corporate lesbians that I've met."
"Where were you when Andrew Sullivan was lecturing the rest of us about our sex lives while advertising for bareback sex?"
Did you even follow that scandal? Sullivan admitted to publishing the ads which advertised for anonymous bareback gangbangs (AIDS gifting). Anyone with a conscience would consider that abhorrent. But of course Log Cabin types are quick to defend injecting innocent victims with HIV. Again, did you even look at Sullivan's ads? On at least one of them he didn't disclose his HIV status. Yet he asked for multiple partners (he specified Blacks) with whom to exchange bodily fluids (HIV virulent). These people don't have any moral center. Later Sullivan said he did NOTHING wrong in an article called 'Sexual McCarthyism'.
. Take it from me, Mary: Explaining to your child, after he heard something hateful on the radio, that his family is very much “real,” that it’s not an attack on anyone else’s family, and that his parents are, in fact, fit to be his parents is as distressing and emotionally exhausting as it is unnecessary.
I wish Mary & Heather & baby well. But, Dan, you totally knocked this one out of the park.
Bravo, Dan! I am so sick of hypocrites.
Hypocrites does not come close to describing people like Mary Cheney. A new word is needed.
C'mon Dan, you gave us the un-forgettable "santorum"...
Bravo Mr. Savage (this is why I luv you so much). This is a hot topic that will affect future generations and needs discussion. The ability or adequacy of gay couples to parent should not be the question any more than heteros are questioned before they drop another life on this planet. If there is love, there is a home. Yeah, yeah, need to provide and guide too – but too many heteros do not live up to any of these “conditions” of parenting, so until we clean up the heteros parenting styles, lets give gays a chance.
Here’s my problem, though (yikes, here goes): for as long as there is even one child going to bed hungry in this big bothersome world of ours – we do not need to manufacture any more lives. Homosexuals want to be accepted and embraced for whom they genuinely are – lets accept that as it is. Men love men, women love women – but the very “nature” of these connections do not create new life. It is selfish, short-sighted, egotistical to manufacture a baby just “to have the feeling” of bearing a child. It’s not necessary and it defies the very nature that you want so badly to be accepted.
Mother Nature is wise beyond our selfish needs – and all these manufactured lives will have a backlash in our society that no one has even considered.
Mary can name the baby Karma.
Amen and Glory Hallelujah! Thank you, Dan, for calling this BS for what it is. Rock on!
Great piece Dan.
Mary better be saving her share of the Halliburtan kick backs for her child's extensive therapy bills.
REFULGENT EPICENE RESPONDS TO CHRISTIANISM
The gorgeous and sexy gay man smiles at Jerry Falwell (on Larry King perhaps?) and says:
"Darling, Reverend, we honestly appreciate that you Christianists at least allow us to do "what we do" in the privacy of our homes. Likewise in the spirit of of turn-about is fair play, no pun intended, we are just tickled to have you do "what you do" in the sanctity of your churches.
Amoral Mary recently op-eded the GOP mantra that you can't support the troops until you support the mission. Yet here are evil Dick and her venomous Mom supporting her in opposition to primo Republican propaganda.
That they are right to support their child even while they embody pornographic moral values sorta twists my brain a little.
You know, I live in SC. What "gay" life there is seems comprised of closeted, self-appointed "A List" wealthy gays and those who manage to scrape by on good looks alone, defining the totality of gay culture as either the possession of or the pursuit of the ephemeral joys of materialism at its most crass. And somehow thinking that a wall of money, a lovely body, or some combination of both will bring them some claim to be let alone.
Mary Cheney is clearly one of those - a selfish, shallow, deceitful woman, an apple that didn't roll far from the tree so much as the apple who stayed hanging on the tree, swinging right next to the gays and lesbians she used so callously.
Pity the child. It deserves better than what it will get in its parents.
It's time for us, as a society, to address the question of whether hypocrites should be allowed to raise children.
Thank you Dan, why the press has given Queen Mary a pass on this issue is beyond me. She should be hounded every time she makes a speech or appears onstage to explain why she gets special Republican rights while the rest of us get fucked over.
Bravo Dan, Bravo! Mary Cheney and her family are morally repugnant. Hell, the whole lot of social conservatives are morally repugnant.
Oops, I should have included the whole lot of hypocritical right-wingers in my list of those who are morally repugnant, not just social conservatives.
I'm the father of Mary's child, her donor with the boner so to speak. I hope this child will influence future Republicans about the folly of their views. And may it have more head than I and bigger balls!
"If they just practiced their religion and left me alone I'd love 'em . But they don't so I don't"
But BoiseNick, they *are* practicing *their* religion by getting in your business and not leaving you alone... ;)
"Evangelicals care even less what liberals think about them than Cheney, but they will understand being laughed at by people."
dave, you are oh so right...
"i *CANNOT WAIT* to see Mary & her sister Liz fighting over their dead parents estate!!!"
norm, it can't happen soon enough... ;-)
"You forgot the part about Cheney never saying a single homophobic thing in public, nor did you remember the FACT that Cheney has never, not once, pushed a single piece of legislation that violates the civil rights of gay people. You never provided any evidence that he did, you just traded in your lame-ass and boring Bush/Rove correlation. As if there isn't enough of that shit on the Internets. Nice job."
Daniel, maybe so but Cheney is part of the cabal that has consistently taken rights away from Americans, gay and otherwise. This is especially troubling given his daughter. (Note, I'm straight but believe in rights for all, not just those with money who are in power.)
"Meh. It seems that the day when Republicans or Democrats can have a passionate, thought-provoking speech about something that matters without throwing it all away by going right back to the stone age with "Your Party Is Bad And Wrong" spiel will be a remarkable one."
Davin, I'm tolerant and respectful of every class of people with one exception: those who are intolerant and disrespectful of others. The Republican machine lead by Rove and supported by Dobson et. al. have used the polictics of division to gain power, and I hate them for that. If any of the following or similar were to run for the President: Colin Powell, Rudy Giuliani, or Arnold Schwarzenegger (if he could), I would not be disrepectful to them because they've shown they are not disrespectful, and they've proven their tolerance of others. The reason the current Republican ADMINISTRATION is bad is because it is so disrespectful and divisive, and to paraphrase someone well known, "It is hurting America." OTOH, I wrote this before reading your full comments so maybe we are not so far apart.
"Whew, Mary is just trying to hold her relationship with her parents together. Just as Dick is trying to hold his relationship with the Republican Party together without either becoming a lightning rod for gay and lesbian rights issues. Either one, of course, could elicit further action toward gay and lesbian rights behind the scenes. Could this scenario actually occur? Well, probably not, as Mary would have to grow a set of balls first."
larry clark: right-wingers like Shaun Hannity are always talking about how Bush and Republicans have "conviction of prinicple." How does this show conviction of prinicple? Seems to me it's just a selfish interest in protection one's one situation and power which is what the like of Shaun Hannity are always railing againts. What a hypocrite (Shaun, not necessary you larry.)
"I have to agree with Daniel. VP Cheney has not really done anything against our community per se, and publically disagreed with the President on GLBT issues (I wish to God he had as much influence with Bush concerning us as he does with the debacle in Iraq, but I digress). So what if Mary doesn't want to pick a public fight?...My relationships are more important then my desire to go out and fight at the moment, and I cannot risk any harm coming to my child because of my visibility."
annemarie: The difference between you and Dick and Mary Cheney is that you didn't run for and campaign for the vice presidency of the United State for a party that is anti-gay. BTW, amazing that you are still married, wow! Also, what do your former military buddies think of you now? Just curious if they are tolerant...
"MOST of the R Base actually don't know about Mary. THEY DON"T WATCH THE NEWS much! So, when THIS gets a mention on something BIG the R-base might watch (Wolf Blitzer), then the Cheney's squak, squak, squak, and seek to punish as a way of warning off future revelations. Wolf will be punished and you could see the fear in his eyes when he realized that. The punishment for news "personalities" is cutting off access. That ends careers."
Allen, how sadly true...
"thats about the stupidest thing I've ever seen written. It ranks right up there with Dr. Suess and Green Eggs and Ham... geesh.. get a flippin' life."
Mark, that's about the stupidest thing retort I've ever seen written. It ranks up there with Shaun Hannity shouting over his guests... geesh, get an intellect.
"I have more in common with Mary Cheney as a thoughtful and open minded person than with all of YOU closing the door to debating the oppositions view on gay marriage. If I disagree on the matter (as i used to) I'm automatically a bigot. Can't we all just have a discussion, a real one?"
rosiee, I have never heard one argument against gay marriage that didn't strike me as bigotry. But maybe there is, please enlighten us (interesting that you didn't mention any reason why you oppose it...)
"illustrated how Dick Cheney thinks"
Koulo: absolutely! It's such a damn shame...
"Funny, isn't it, how "pro-family" jerks like Cheney demean everyone's family with their horseshit?"
Amen, Dan. Conservative gays who support the Republican party because they agree with its fiscal or foreign policy is akin to Jews supporting Hitler because they agree with his economic plan.
For god's sakes. Please learn how to spell. It's "repugnican."
Second. For god's sakes. Learn how to remember the father in all this. Mary's daddy is a low-life, lying, murdering, piece of living breathing shit who is NOT the VP but just another cheap goddamned lousy crook. May he find justice for his evil, hypocrisy and the nightmare he has foisted upon our country.
Your point was made without those words your mother should have washed out of your mouth years ago. As for the comments--demonizing persons, rather than combating their ideas, is how the wingnuts got into power. The method becomes the person.
Cannot express how quintessentially quintessential your post is, Dan. This is exactly fighting fire, with the necessary fire/nuke. These people behave in the most primordial shit-slime, so putrid as to defy sufficient abhoration, manner that this is exactly what is called for- in fact, naturally implored of the victims. This is a shining example of what the opposition party to these shitbags must be. It is exactly the reaction that their assaults demand. I really wish so deeply that a party could rise up with this form of soul.
Joey in LA
Right on Sister! Show those awful Cheney's how it really is.
"Cheney has never, not once, pushed a single piece of legislation that violates the civil rights of gay people."
This is an excellent point. I am in the same boat as Mary Cheney. I used to work as a campaign staffer for David Duke. People try to smear me as some kind of racist because of that. Yet only a portion of Duke's platform called for punishment of Blacks for being dirty. I strongly supported Duke for office just as Mary was working on the Bush/Cheney campaign. I believe in the values and character of David Duke, just not the racist part. So you can't call me hypocrical just like you can't call Mary hypocritical. It's the same with the KKK or even the American Nazi Party. You can be for lower taxes or whatever and not necessarily agree with the little bigotted parts of their platform.
There you go again... Being completely articulate and saying EXACTLY what I was thinking about an issue!
You're the finest.
I agree with this piece. The problem seen time and again with the republican elite is that they set a standard for america to conform to and then find ways to not apply it to themselves. As far as the argument that Mary can be a republican and not support this view re: post 160, that does not hold water. If you do not contest something as wrong as the republican stance on gay rights, you are implicitly condoning it.
How precious and rare to hear someone write from their guts. Thank you for your perfectly justifiable rage. Thank you for every delicious "fuck you." It was so sweet to hear you nail that slimy little bitch with a nifty intellectual analysis to boot. Scum cannot be called by any other name. Prolific thanks & eternal appreciation.
My considered advice to all those who have objected to Mr. Savage's use of vulgar language is: fuck you! This is Dan Savage you're reading, not William F. Buckley. Savage has millions of regular readers who have seen four letter words before. And he's not trying to convince conservatives, he's bashing them. Bash the fuckers, Dan.
"fuck You" is never a part of a real debate. It does nothing for an argument/discussion. It should never be used in arguement/debate. This is sooooo not helpful. I can understand the outrage expressed here, but when people scream and shout "fuck you" then I simply YAWN! I used to oppose gay rights because I valued strongly the qualities that both male and female bring to parenting...is this outrageous? no. Is this unreal? no. Is this primitive? no. It is only an observation and opinion. I have a mommy and daddy and I guess I can speak from experience. It is not a statement deserving of a "fuck you"...let's be mature Dan.
What "Rosiee" fails to recognize is that Republicans emit a much louder - and more lethal - "fuck you" than Dan does in his essay. Dan using the phrase "fuck you" a dozen times does not generate as much "fuck-you-energy" as does one sanctimonius "fuck you" smirk from George Bush or one crooked, sick smile from Dick "go fuck yourself America" Cheney.
Dear Doc Dan,
Thank you much for ripping into the vile Ms Cheney, who reminds me so much of Judi Dench in "Notes From A Scandal" and other hideous stereotypes of lesbianism. Such an appalling bitch this critter is with her blatant daddy complex and her cultural double standards. Is this what the queens of Stonewall were fighting for? I was just researching the matter of the Two Rachels -- Smith & Crites -- a pair of cute teen lovers who may or may not have committed suicide via carbon monoxide poisoning. Their bodies were found in a parked car off a rural road on Feb 2nd. I have to partially blame creeps like Mary Cheney for these kinds of incidents where gay teens have no decent role models to look up to.
God, I hope the little changeling grows up to be a bleeding-heart liberal!
right on (as usual)!
I hope someone who has access to her baby registry slips her a copy of your book. I loved reading it when I was pregnant (I'm hetero and married) and I recommend it to all my friends who are about to become parents.
I have to wonder if Dan or most of the other commenters here have realized that Mary is doing exactly what so many of the evangelicals fear the most. Validating the idea that homosexuals can be good parents and by extension validating homosexual relationships. Further, she is validating it in front of group of Americans that the advocacy that Dan is preaching almost never reaches.
You might also consider that by treating her child as most parents treat their children she is demonstrating that homosexual parenting and heterosexual parenting aren't so different after all. If she were to politicize her pregnancy the way so many people here seem to demand then that message would be severely undermined.
Sometimes the subtle messages can have as much impact as marching up and down the street shouting and waving signs.
Dan? You piss me off bigtime sometimes, but this column? Oh, right the fuck on, brother! That bitch and her poisonous family of flesh-eating vampires want it both ways because they've always had it both ways. There are no rules in Cheney-ville except getting what you want no matter who you have to screw. And the rules are for everyone else.
As to all the Mary-is-a-bitch comments, yes of course she is. But shouldn't we be thanking her for providing the best case study for why everything the right is telling us is at best wrong and at worst, disingenuous? I mean, in one simple life event, Mary gutted everything they say they stand for re. gay rights/marriage.
We make this the symbol of the decade for how they don't even really believe it. At the end of the day, people need to live their lives. Mary proves this.
Kudos Dan. I agree with others here that a fuck-less version would be a great op-ed in a non-gay magazine or newspaper. Is your publicist reading this? I am also a gay parent and I had the KKK after me, my partner and our 1-day old baby only 6 years ago. So for anyone to tell me that this isn't a political issue is someone who merely wants to take her father's speechwriter's moral "high ground."
"But shouldn't we be thanking her for providing the best case study for why everything the right is telling us is at best wrong and at worst, disingenuous?"
Absolutely NOT!!! Should we be thanking John Schlaffley for the incredibly gay-positive effect he had on his mother by continueing to work for 'Concerned Women of America'. Should we thank Justin Raimundo for the incredible gay positive effect he had on Pat Bucchanan by working as his campaign manager when he ran for President?
Sorry, but these people didn't do shit except enable the Repiglican bigots an excuse to continue their campaign of hate. When quiet, silent gay traitors support these GOP haters, what the hell kind of message does that send. If you translated all the messages from people who support Mary on here to black people supporting David Duke, it would be more than laughable.
Come on people. Just be honest and face it: Mary is a selfish, disgusting, mean-spirited bitch.
"Come on people. Just be honest and face it: Mary is a selfish, disgusting, mean-spirited bitch."
Come on, Mac, while you just want to wallow in what a bitch she is, you are leaving the prize on the table. It's not that "Mary's a bitch." It's that Mary's hypocrisy proves our side's argument for us. In stunning hi-def 24million bit technicolor, and in a way that the left can't.
But whatever, just go back to what a bitch she is. And remind me to never hire you as a political strategist.
What I wish some journalist would ask Dick Cheney to his face is now that Ted Haggard's been cured of homosexuality in only THREE WEEKS, wouldn't the Cheney family like to enroll Mary in that same crash course so that the grandkid can be raised by god-fearing heteros??? C'mon! Either he's with the godly people or against them...Haggard proved the cure works! Maybe we should organize a Walk for the Cure, from D.C. to Mary Cheney's house...hold a vigil. Maybe Dick would get so mad his heart would finally pop.
So Mary, I'd like to say.
This is YOUR child.
What is Heather, chopped liver?
Bravo, Dan. You said it perfectly!
Hey everyone! I just got back from Target and was in the kitchenware department. I noticed that the cost of turkey basters went UP!
I credit YOU, Dan Savage, with the demise of Rick Santorum, and am with you on this argument 100%.
Karma is a bitch, Mary Cheney, and boy o boy, are you in for some.
I haven't read all the comments but something came to me. Mary waited until after the last election to have her baby. So if she believes it is between her and god why wait until her father was no running in an election.
Wordy McWord pants!
Brilliant! As I read I could only hope that she read your words and finds some inner remorse. I hang onto the hope that someday she will wake the fuck up and use her political clout to do some GOOD for a change for our LGBT community. Call me an optimist, call me ignorant or naive, but hope is what will get us through in the end. People like MC will be laying in our wake.
As a gay father of two - I say KUDOS - you speak for me. You have stated what I would love to say. No Bullshit - just the truth.
Thank you for "so elequently" saying what I feel about this double standard that Mary Cheney wants to perpetrate. "Blessing from God, Indeed". Half of her party would as soon see her dragged to death as have her a parent of a child. I think this whole family have some pretty deranged notions. Not the least of them is their failure to make a stand when they had the chance, and when it meant so much.
A GREAT post.
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