Slog - Comments on Sims Is No Tunnel Supporter. He's Into the Surface/Transit Option. Please Make a Note of It. http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the There's a good article in yesterday's PI that summarizes the "uncouth" factor I was getting at earlier this week when I made fun of Gov. Gregoire for her latest attempt to appear politically coherent about the viaduct. But I do have a footnote complaint about the article. It has little to do with Gregoire. It has to do with the incorrigible mainstream press around here—that refuses to acknowledge the bigwig support for the surface/transit option. The article says: "Of the group of tunnel supporters, including King County Executive Ron Sims..." WTF?? King County Exec Sims is one of the loudest... Copyright 2008 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:35:14 -0800 Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:18:09 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by As I say, Not as I do Josh telling the journalism world about fairness and accuracy.

Now that's satire.

]]> As I say, Not as I do http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608017 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608017 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:38:57 -0800 Comment by Violet_DaGrinder I've been writing all manner of bitchy letters to local editors asking them to please remove their heads from their asses regarding the surface option. No such luck.

]]> Violet_DaGrinder http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608020 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608020 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:44:38 -0800 Comment by Josh Feit @ 1,

I meet your stinging commentary with this stinging rejoinder:

Blue jean baby, L.A. lady, seamstress for the band
Pretty eyed, pirate smile, you'll marry a music man
Ballerina, you must have seen her dancing in the sand
And now she's in me, always with me, tiny dancer in my hand

Jesus freaks out in the street
Handing tickets out for God
Turning back she just laughs
The boulevard is not that bad

Piano man he makes his stand
In the auditorium
Looking on she sings the songs
The words she knows, the tune she hums

But oh how it feels so real
Lying here with no one near
Only you and you can't hear me
When I say softly, slowly

Hold me closer tiny dancer
Count the headlights on the highway
Lay me down in sheets of linen
you had a busy day today

Blue jean baby, L.A. lady, seamstress for the band
Pretty eyed, pirate smile, you'll marry a music man
Ballerina, you must have seen her dancing in the sand
And now she's in me, always with me, tiny dancer in my hand

]]> Josh Feit http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608032 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608032 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:53:18 -0800 Comment by lorax thanks. this is a major piece of the story which the PI got wrong. the daily papers' blackout on the surface-transit option is bad journalism and the PI needs to issue a correction.

]]> lorax http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608035 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608035 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:57:07 -0800 Comment by JTR Josh, come on - it's entirely possible to be a "tunnel supporter" AND support "checking out the surface/transit option." One problem with the Stranger's reporting on this issue is that your paper often attacks those with this position as being Nickels toadies. So try some complete & accurate reporting yourself.

]]> JTR http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608051 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608051 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:10:21 -0800 Comment by BB Damn, Josh, now you got that song stuck in my head.

]]> BB http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608062 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608062 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:20:03 -0800 Comment by Josh Feit #5,
Yes, it's possible, but I called Sims's office and guess what: He's not a tunnel supporter.

]]> Josh Feit http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608108 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608108 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:04:46 -0800 Comment by Princess Caroline Feit, why should we suspect you didn't bother asking Sims if he would support a cable stayed bridge?

]]> Princess Caroline http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608120 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608120 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:20:51 -0800 Comment by hyperlinker Sound off, people.

]]> hyperlinker http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608159 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608159 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:52:36 -0800 Comment by Grant Cogswell #8, because that suspension bridge across the bay shit is kooky-nutso!!! That is one option that has NEVER been on the table, except maybe the kitchen table of some wacky engineer! Umm....

]]> Grant Cogswell http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608234 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608234 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:37:47 -0800 Comment by Princess Caroline
Nothing like a well reasoned and explained position, Grant. Didn't you once want to be a Seattle city council member?

Just for your edification, it is not a suspension bridge, Grant, It is a cable stayed bridge. There is about a $5 billion difference.

]]> Princess Caroline http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608252 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608252 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:54:21 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle It's all about the greenbacks. Even the Sierra Club is afraid to be Real and Green and diss the tunnel, even though they really want the Surface Plus Transit option. More concerned with upsetting the Seattle council than the freight train wreck coming down the pike.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608282 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608282 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:22:21 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle oh, and @11 - depends on the footings and the clearances and the soils for the footings and the impact on deep see cargo unloading. but it would make a nice suicide platform ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608298 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608298 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:24:49 -0800 Comment by Gomez That's neat. Hey Ron, how's that bus system working? Planning on rolling out a bunch of new routes along the viaduct corridor to offset its forthcoming loss?

Oh, not really? Okay then. Keep talking trash, then. You fit in great here.

]]> Gomez http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608314 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608314 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:41:37 -0800 Comment by City Comforts Grant,
Maybe the voters are smarter than we think.

]]> City Comforts http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608315 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608315 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:42:44 -0800 Comment by Princess Caroline
@13---

The footings and clearances also depend on the design and materials....which as you cite are dependent on soil's....interestingly new types of deck framing are being made from composite materials which would significantly reduce the size of footings. Check out what is going on
around the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable-stayed_bridge

Cargo unloading shouldn't be an issue. In the worse case, it is one of the reasons we utilize tug boats.

]]> Princess Caroline http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608325 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608325 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:50:17 -0800 Comment by Jensen Interceptor I am surprised Mudede hasn't reviewed cable stayed bridge designs. I suspect
he would find them fascinating.

---Jensen

]]> Jensen Interceptor http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608357 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/sims_is_no_tunnel_supporter_hes_into_the#c608357 Politics Fri, 02 Feb 2007 17:18:09 -0800