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Why would anyone even want to build a race track where it rains all the time? Or will it have a retractable roof?

Its not only for NASCAR.
Where else can dragrace my GTO out here
legally. Theres a lot of jobs that can genrate as well. Graphic designers and artists will have a place to of business for logos, designs, advertising. This is not just for the
NASCAR racers this is for artists and advertising as well. And that brings money and business and entertainment. Talk to the people and you will get mixed results. And this measure is not the final measure. There are adjustments and in time this will come. Maybe its not important for leadership, but they already have jobs. This is for the masses, who want the environment of racing in there area. You got SEA Fair in Seattle and the hydroplane races, well theres a large force of rodders and car enthusiasts who don't see the harm in NASCAR having a track in the North West. So yes they may vote against it,
but they didn't get that vote from the masses. If you get out and go to the Good Guy shows you would see that view point a lot more. Navy ship yard workers, The 'Country folk' who live out here and the dragracers like me thought it would be cool to have a track here. I go to seattle and spend big money at your clubs, your SeaHawks games and other entertainment found in the city. What does Kitsap have to offer us now, except the same old kitsap county fair and those stupid demolition derbies?
Just food for thought, even though I know its pointless

No subsidies for morons.

Sorry bout my writing. I was just fumed
thats all. Any way I don't lose sleep on what the membership council in Bremerton wants. Their predeccessors and they themselves have killed that town and its businesses. Theres no ambition for any thing but the shipyard and thats all there is to Bremerton. Oh they got a highschool, a community college, which I'm sure none of you all give two S##ts about and I know for certain no one come from Seattle to go to the country fair out here. But if they had NASCAR that would change. and some of you would actually see how nice the country is out here? Ever been to shelton? Ever been to silverdale? how about Poulsbo? Ever been to Port Angeles?
Lots of trees have been cut already in this state. What the hell is wrong with cutting them by Bremerton. Big Deal. The place needs a face lift anyway. And a place to Drag Race.

Word.

Hey, hotrodder, you want a track, pay for it yourself. No money? Go away. Take your clapped-out GTO with you.

The state has many pressing financial needs. This is not one of them.

And the precedent-setting of throwing out the GMA (toothless enough as it is) and the forest land exemption is potentially disastrous. (The forest land thing is not an additional tax; you get a substantial tax abatement if you agree not to cut your forest land; if you do cut it later you have to pony up all the back taxes you would have owed). This would turn all of Kitsap into Garbage Land, strip mall, shithole city. That may please crackers like hotrodder here but not normal people.

So FNARF where were you when they got all that done to SEattle Metro knig county, Renton, Everette, Kent, Federal way, Tacoma, shall I go on. What is it with this side of the water. We can't have the screwed up environment like you guys do. We have to have all these trees. Do you really care. Where were you in stopping developement of this state. What gives the corador the up ante to developement, but Bremerton cannot. The money is already been spent pal. All those stipmalls in Aurora take from the schools in Seattle. Did they taske away your preciuos tree environment? Who payed for the corador development from tacoma to Everette? So I'm not the blow hard. I'm just the product of your wasteland, hero.

I meant knig county. srry stranger.
I'm all for spending money for schools and important stuff like that. But give me a break. and yeas I think NASCAR should pony up big time. So we do actually agree.

I meant King county. jeesh I really sound like a hick. Even though I'm not.
I just don't give a damn either way. Moving to california in two years anyways. They got lots of places I can drag my 65.

The corporation that is pushing this track, ISC (International Speedway Corporation) is publicly traded and has billions of dollars in assets.

If they want it so badly, let them pay every penny, with no special breaks, no tax exemptions, no bond issues.

And their tab must include the tens of millions that will necessarily have to be spent on the infrastructure upgrades (like widened roads and extra ferry service, just to scratch the surface) that will be necessary.

We the taxpayers should not have to spend one red cent on this thing, either directly or indirectly.

Jesus, well, Raging Rod @4 I know that area fairly well. What you're saying seems pretty accurate.

Josh,

I'd be happy to correct the inaccuracies in your slog in this subject anytime you want. Thanks.

Geoff

Josh,

I'd be happy to correct the inaccuracies in your slog on this subject anytime you want. Thanks.

Geoff

For the record, I've been to Bremerton and Port Orchard many times, and I've spent a lot of time in Shelton, which is not in Kitsap, and I've been to Port Angeles, which is also not in Kitsap, several times, and so on. I've never been to the Kitsap County Fair, but I've been to the Mason County one. I know from hicksville. I still don't want to see hundreds of millions of dollars pissed away to build a NASCAR track there.

NASCAR's a joke, anyways. Half-filled stadiums, falling TV ratings. The only reason they're after us is because they're always on the lookout for new suckers, and they think they've got a live one on the line up here. They've got a stupid new TV contract signed last year; they can afford to build their own. Somewhere else.

I agree about the money. But RRod makes some good points about perceptions about Seattle vs. Kitsap.

I will never, and I have repeatedly pointed this out to my state reps, support their approval of the Kitsap track UNLESS the track conforms to an approved FIA Formula One road race course. NASCAR is the bastard step
child to Forumla One racing and there is no reason to have a track unless
it is capable of supporting and hosting an international Formula One grand prix event. There is no reason to support building a track unless it attracts the best racers and racing technology the world can offer. NASCAR is full of Formula One Wannabes, Has beens and 50 year old technolgy. Watching a NASCAR race is equivelant to a gale force hangover. It sucks.

---Jensen

I guess we all now know Jensen's position on the subject....

I want a race track in western washington so bad I can taste it.

However, why don't we put it out in issaquah or something, where more people can drive to it?

And why not put in a great road course so we can get CART, IRL, ALMS, Grand-AM, something which requires something other than turning left and an affinity for shitty beer and chewing tobacco?

This is the same issue as the Sonics as far as I'm concerned. Public money should not go to entertainment facilities that could easily be supported by the producers of the entertainment. It's corporate welfare of the worst kind.

If people want to watch this stuff, they should be willing to pay for it through whatever costs the owners pass on to them. Kitsap would be wise to say no, and Seattle politicians should too.

People in hell want ice-water, too.

Global warming?
Peak Oil?
Air quality?

Sustainable living?

Let's build a temple to the biggest, noisiest, most boring, fuel sucking activity we can think of.

If there's lots of beer involved, the
folks who still shit in their pants will love it.

Throw in some ballcaps with names on them, and they will come from hills and holes far and wide in their own noisy, fume spewing fuel suckers, in numbers too great to count.

Just like a real temple, there will be a priest class devoted to sale of icons and indulgences - all with royalties and big dollars attached, most of which will be shipped out of state.

However, there will be lots of minor jobs for beer and T-shirt peddlers.

There will be lots new opportunities for the attendees to meet and breed.

What a colossal waste of everything and everyone involved.

Well thank Christ. Thanks Josh. Please continue with your regularly scheduled viaduct and rim job based posts.

Yesterday the state senate version of the bill SB 6040 was unveiled and at the start of the day Seattle’s own Senator Jacobsen was a co-signer and he then reconsidered and took his name off it by the end of the day.

I am going to be testifying at Tueday’s hearing and I am debating waving around a pack of bacon as I refer to the bill as corporate pork.

So Rep Simpson why are you acting against the WSDCC resolution opposing this proposal and the wishes of the voters of Kitsap county that voted down every single Pro-Pork for NASCAR Kitsap candidate in the 2006 election?

One of your inaccuracies that Rep Simpson would probably like for you to correct is that it is would be WAY more expensive than 250 Mil.

“hot rodder” There is a race track in Bremerton and plenty of other smaller raceways where you can drive your GTO.

“What does Kitsap have to offer us now, except the same old kitsap county fair and those stupid demolition derbies?”

It is not our job to entertain you.

Can't we just wait until the new Narrows Bridge is built, and just have the race cars drive around that? How cool would that be? If they crash, they go flying over into the abyss!

@17 Issaquah doesn't have the space for one of these tracks and I doubt taxpayers want to pay for it over here any more than most want to pay for it in Kitsap.

All this stuff about what Taxpayers want. Where you guys when the man came through and gave you everything from the ice cream parlor to a friggin pro nuclear , pro concrete, pro mall, pro city and build up attitude. This place was untainted once remember. Back in 1845 or something. So you all get high and mighty after we cut the corador from Tacoma to Everette. Whats the big deal. The harm has already been done, and it was your hick ancestors that got you where you are now. don't freak on us quiet layed back country folk. I thought you modern folk were about the hussle bussle. No i guess not anymore. Everything gotta go downhill someday. I'm for obliterating the whole concrete cathedral and the business and entertainment needs do not matter. We want trees. So lets replant them and rase Seattle and Bremerton and Tacoma to the ground. Who needs economy and Tax payers bitchin about everything now when they are so happy with themselves and there ball parks already.

Well @24 and even better idea is to wait until they are half-way done with the narrows bridge and then include a jump Dukes of Hazzard style!

Look, the experts agree, this proposal does NOT cost the taxpayers of Washington State a dime of existing tax money. Ask OFM, the Lt. Gov., or any community with a track. This is a win-win for ISC and the community.

Don't let the chicken-littles with their "sky-is-falling" scare tactics kill the biggest opportunity that Kitsap County has ever seen.

And all you Seattle-ites who preach tolerance and diversity recognize that even lowly NASCAR fans are human beings and deserve respect and to be treated the way that you expect to be treated. And BTW, Washington State is bigger than Seattle and smaller communities need economic development too.

Boogity, boogity, boogity! Let's Go Racin'!

Josh,

Your opening statement is full of misspellings and half-truths.

First of all the Rep. Simpson's bill doesn't require that a track be built in Kitsap County, or anywhere for that matter. The bill only allows Public Speedway Authority (PSA) to issue bonds with a tax-credit for the state sales taxes collected from race fans who stay in hotels, buy souvenirs and meals, or whatever else they buy while in Washington.

Second of all, the track construction is estimated at just over $300 million, only $160 million will be payed back over 25 years using the tax credit. Cities and Counties will get to keep their portion of the sales tax.

There have been some significant changes to the bill from the original version. The GMA provisions will be taken out.

The open space taxation program is a voluntary program that land-owners enter into with the taxing jurisdiction so that the land can stay in forest production or agriculture. It's not necessarily because it's protected. It's because the County has been giving the current owner a break in his taxes and the law states that when you get out of the program you are required to pay some back taxes, and in this case it's quite a lot, although no one seems to have an exact figure, but it's an easy $5 million.

BTW, you always need to pay taxes not just when it is clearcut, which is exactly what practicing forestry is, growing trees for production.

Kitsap County has had this site included in an Urban Growth Area for several years. They intend for this area to develop, not remain as a working forest. If they are serious about developing that site for any tenant they are probably going to have to forgive at least a portion of that tax.

I don't want to lecture anyone on this matter but it is really disturbing to see "journalists" who make ignorant statements. Journalists love to hold themselves up as shining examples for truth justice and the American way. And some of them are, but most of them are just plain lazy.

Bottom line is that you are making statements that are untrue and you need to read this bill and do some independent research and not just ask Jacob Metcalf about it. He is an active opposition to the proposal and is not independent or objective.

Did you even talk to Rep. Simpson about his bill? He's posted on your blog.

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