Slog - Comments on It Takes a Real Man to Bash a 72-Year-Old http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold And if the old man dies from the injuries, all the better. Hot Tipper R reminded me of this heartbreaking story from Detroit, where gay senior citizen Andrew Anthos is clinging to life after being assaulted by a man with a metal pipe. As Gay.com reports: Anthos, who lives on a disability check, was riding the bus from the public library back to his apartment Feb. 13 when another male passenger approached him and asked if he was gay...Anthos left the bus only to be followed by the man, who hit him in the back of the head with a... Copyright 2008 Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:54:44 -0800 Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:56:07 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Andrew I hope the prick hangs until dead. And may it be a slow death but then the criminal probably goes to church and was doing what Jesus would do.

But I asked earlier that while listening to "Young Turks" on Air America a week ago one of the commentators mentioned that he did think that hate crimes should cover attacks on gays or lesibians. Now I was just catching the tail end of the interview he was doing. (Can anyone out there confirm or deny what I heard?) I would like to know before I write him a nice little letter telling him where he can stick his radio show at.

]]> Andrew http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647009 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647009 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:01:26 -0800 Comment by fromohio The hell with the death penalty. He'll have to get over his homophobia real quickly when he gets to the pen.

]]> fromohio http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647010 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647010 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:01:32 -0800 Comment by chris ah yes, prison rape, always funny.

the criminal is probably severely mentally ill. he probably should have been in a decent mental institution.

]]> chris http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647016 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647016 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:05:28 -0800 Comment by Rottin' in Denmark Prediction: The only thing more deafening than the chatter from the left on this will be the silence on the right.

]]> Rottin' in Denmark http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647021 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647021 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:07:49 -0800 Comment by Rottin' in Denmark Prediction: The only thing more deafening than the chatter from the left on this will be the silence on the right.

]]> Rottin' in Denmark http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647022 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647022 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:08:04 -0800 Comment by Smarm What does being an Ava Gardner fan have to do with anything?

]]> Smarm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647023 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647023 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:08:54 -0800 Comment by Mike in MO the description should also read, "and a devout christian."

]]> Mike in MO http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647024 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647024 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:08:56 -0800 Comment by Fnarf On the other hand, a 70-year-old tourist was attacked by muggers on a cruise in Costa Rica, and KILLED one of the little shits:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/304831_tourist23.html

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647095 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647095 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:35:19 -0800 Comment by giantladysquirrels Sadly, no death penalty in MI.

]]> giantladysquirrels http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647110 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647110 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:38:55 -0800 Comment by Things that make you go hmmm The assailant a devout Christian? Folks this was Detroit (there was a race component in that unfortunately polarized city), I put odds that the attacker was a bigger Tim Hardaway fan than a Jesus fan...

]]> Things that make you go hmmm http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647112 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647112 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:40:16 -0800 Comment by andy niable Where's Seattle's heroic fire-fighting, walker-wielding SuperSenior when he's needed?

Seriously, gay bashing is no joke. If the Religious Right can turn Terry Frickin' Schiavo into the patron saint of their issues, can the Queer Left at least have their 15 minutes of National Obsession about THIS crime? Or does the victim of gay violence have to be a young twenty-something tied to a fence in Wyoming to get national MSM coverage?

]]> andy niable http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647121 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647121 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:42:33 -0800 Comment by keshmeshi Mentally ill? Since when does someone have to be mentally ill to be a homophobic, violent fuckwit?

]]> keshmeshi http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647134 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647134 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:47:20 -0800 Comment by Papayas We don't know if he's mentally ill. But, he could be. Killing the man who did it will not bring the victim back to life (if he dies). It will not deter crime. It will not give the victim's family "closure." It would a revenge killing and would serve no purpose other than to make us feel like we "did" something.

]]> Papayas http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647181 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647181 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:13:38 -0800 Comment by KELLY O So sad. If you ever thought public trans was "bad" here in Seattle, try riding the bus in Detroit. NO ONE rides the bus.

Unless you carry a gun.

]]> KELLY O http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647188 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647188 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:17:57 -0800 Comment by David Schmader Papayas at #13: I agree. I am against the death penalty. The only time it makes sense to me is when I'm overwhelmed with emotion—which is one great reason it should be outlawed everywhere.

]]> David Schmader http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647202 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647202 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:22:19 -0800 Comment by elswinger 13 - The world is growing more and more overpopulated. I think thinning the heard of murderers, rapists, pedophiles is not a bad thing.

Revenge is an underrated reason for the death penalty.

]]> elswinger http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647208 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647208 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:23:44 -0800 Comment by DreadLion Hope this cheers you all up. Not all old folks are incapable of defending themselves. Some kick rightous ass.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17284416/
U.S. tourist in his 70 kills mugger with barehands in Costa Rica and chases off the rest.

]]> DreadLion http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647216 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647216 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:24:57 -0800 Comment by DreadLion aah number 8 you beat me to it. my bad.

]]> DreadLion http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647224 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647224 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:29:12 -0800 Comment by lorax @13: wow, overpopulation as a defense for the death penalty. that's one i haven't heard in a while. too many black people in Detroit too, right? let's "thin the heard [sp]" of them, too.

the state killing people is always wrong. why make this tragic situation even more so?

]]> lorax http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647231 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647231 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:31:51 -0800 Comment by lorax oops, i meant @16

]]> lorax http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647238 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647238 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:35:04 -0800 Comment by DreadLion #12 ever been to a mental hospital?
And thanks to Reagan half the homophobic violent fuckwits were released out onto the streets from those hospitals. I think Crazy has been severly underated, and every body who is violent is made out like they were sane when they did it.
As far as I'm concerned Theres a lot of mental folks who have been ignored by society for far to long, and accepted as 'normal' sociopaths(WTF) and sent to prisons where they do not belong in general population. And after serving a term are released without any scientific, proof that they can function and not hurt themselves or anyone else.
Maybe our view of Crazy needs to be reexamined. Its shaky ground, but look at the fact that maybe this could have been prevented. This could have been some deep troubled young man who had a shook up mind, and I'm not talking Hannibal Lecter here, I'm saying he could have been pretty messed up with skewed views of Homosexuals. And that I would say makes him prime candidate for Electro Shock treatment lol.

]]> DreadLion http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647270 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647270 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:54:25 -0800 Comment by Gitai I definitely wouldn't want the death penalty for this fuckwit, just like I didn't want it for Timothy McVeigh or Matthew Shepherd's killers. Now that McVeigh is dead, he's a martyr to the right wing, white supremacist, anti-government movement, and any gay basher who gets executed could well become the John Birch of homophobes.

Aside from that, as a religious person, redemption is central to my beliefs. If this man is arrested, goes to prison, and becomes a better person, one who aids society instead of taking from it, then executing him would prevent that.

]]> Gitai http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647297 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647297 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:12:07 -0800 Comment by keshmeshi @21,

If the definition of mental illness is defined that broadly, then there wouldn't be many people outside of mental institutions.

]]> keshmeshi http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647389 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647389 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:05:56 -0800 Comment by Papayas Gitai @22:
I'm also a big believer in redemption. Even someone with life in prison without the possibility of parole can change his life and the lives of those around him.

]]> Papayas http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647411 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647411 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:20:45 -0800 Comment by SDA in SEA This is why I pursued a black belt. If some dipshit tries to gay bash me when I'm 72, he better have a fucking gun.

]]> SDA in SEA http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647498 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647498 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:34:27 -0800 Comment by elswinger #19 You're a fucking racist! I was talking about executing serial killers and such. You brought up race asshole.

]]> elswinger http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647516 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647516 Life Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:46:42 -0800 Comment by croydonfacelift #13 wrote: We don't know if he's mentally ill. But, he could be.

Anyone else retch a little bit at these kinds of responses? By me, anyone who takes a lead pipe to an old man's head because he's gay is not sane, i.e., he is insane, aka, "mentally ill." So you're left parsing out which brand of insanity is actionable by which institution--"oh, you're sane insane, you go to trial, but you--you're insane insane, so you go over to there for an evaluation by our qualified mental health professionals, and you, we can't quite figure you out, so let's spend a few years and hundreds of thousands of dollars on your knuckle-dragging ass until we're sure which kind of nut you really are. And you, tweaker--please step into the normally-sane, but temporarily-insane due-to-three-day-meth-binge (but not totally sane because you went on three-day-meth-binge) holding cell."


My solution: sanity snitches. Put little guys with tin-foil hats on into the Sanity Determination holding pens, with their job being to repeatedly accost the potential nutcase with all manner of bizarre insinuation. Then you film the repsonse with the camera built into his tin-foil hat. Then you show the video to high-school kids as part of civics education and have them vote on it. Couldn't work out any worse then the current system.

]]> croydonfacelift http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647920 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c647920 Life Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:44:18 -0800 Comment by fsai xijaum qech ubyqp cuobqigl uogbhtdae vqml tdcyualh bmdqcf

]]> fsai xijaum http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c648853 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c648853 Life Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:37:11 -0800 Comment by fsai xijaum qech ubyqp cuobqigl uogbhtdae vqml tdcyualh bmdqcf

]]> fsai xijaum http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c648869 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c648869 Life Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:40:39 -0800 Comment by ronni Has anyone set up a fund to collect donations for the lighting of the Capitol Dome, the way Andrew wanted?

I've had a couple of comments indicating folks are interested in contributing.

]]> ronni http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c656098 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/02/it_takes_a_real_man_to_bash_an_72yearold#c656098 Life Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:56:07 -0800