Slog - Comments on The Morning News

Comment by cheapskate

cheapskate — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:04:05 -0800

Does $500,000,000 strike anyone else as way too steep for utilities relocation?

Comment by Mr. X

Mr. X — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:18:03 -0800

What, a hidden (and dishonest) Seattle taxpayer subsidy for Greg's tunnel Moby Dick? Say it isn't so!

Given the City's recent history of being sued successfully for misusing utility funds as a cash cow for other projects, that certainly does bear further investigation...

Comment by seattle98104

seattle98104 — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:27:45 -0800

What do you have against the guy introducing the dogs in bars bill? You do realize people own dogs, take them places, even to work, why not the bar? It's a valid question that many a friend has asked me, "which bars allow dogs?" Currently it's illegal for any bar, but some turn a blind eye.

Pull that stick out, yo.

Comment by Gabriel

Gabriel — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:28:04 -0800

This gay adoption row has been the top story over here the past couple days. Basically the Catholic Church wanted its adoption agencies to be exempt from having to allow gay couples to adopt, the spineless Archbishop of Canterbury, head of the Anglican church, put his weight behind them, and the government has just said no.

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:36:01 -0800

I'll be happy with dogs in bars the day that some significant portion of dog owners learn how to control their animals, i.e., never. Seattle has the stupidest and worst dog owners in the world. No, carrying a baggie full of dog shit does not make you a superhero.

I think $500 mil is cheap to relocate the utilities. Realize they don't even know where many of them are.

Comment by Gabriel

Gabriel — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:40:47 -0800

Fnarf, I'd argue that dog owners in the UK and Ireland are much worse. They don't care where their dogs shit, so the sidewalks are covered with it.

Comment by Gitai

Gitai — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:41:08 -0800

Hey, I'm all for dogs in bars. Thinking of it as a stalking horse for bar liberalizaton. First the dogs, then the strippers.

Comment by seattle98104

seattle98104 — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:45:13 -0800

Really, this is Seatlle for chirst sake. You should expect no less of a Seattle-ite senator to attempt to introduce liberal dog related legislation.

It's god damned required.

Comment by konstantconsumer

konstantconsumer — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:49:31 -0800

look, i love my dog and everything, but the last thing i want to see in a bar are dogs playing around, sniffing people, jumping up on tables, pissing everywhere, barking, and all that stuff. there is a bar where i take my dog, but that's because they have a big outdoors area, and she can be out there with me.

Comment by seattle98104

seattle98104 — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:54:39 -0800

Jesus christ guys, read the farking article.

"Establishments wouldn't be required to allow dogs unless they are service animals. And Jacobsen's favorite haunt would likely stay dog-free."

All this does is make what several bars are already doing in town legal.

Fucking alarmist douche-bags, the whole lot of you.

Comment by Andrew

Andrew — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:55:15 -0800

You mean after we can go out to a bar and come home without smelling like an ash tray we have to go and deal with a bunch of dogs slobbering all over us on the dance floor? Who voted for that idiot who is proposing this anyway???

Comment by elswinger

elswinger — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:59:01 -0800

Doesn't Norm's in Fremont already allow dogs?

I guess I'd rather have dogs at bars than babys. I used to like going to Grady's for a French Dip and a beer, but now that it's the hid-friendly Montlake Alehouse, I have no interest in going.

Comment by Matt from Denver

Matt from Denver — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:14:11 -0800

Wow, Seattle98104, touched a nerve this issue has.

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:39:46 -0800

I'm surprised the Sonics haven't come out for a No No vote on the Tunnel Viaduct to pay for the $530 million in taxes they want to steal from us.

And, yes, Norm's does allow dogs. I eat there at times, they're nice. Don't bring badly behaved dogs, though.

Comment by seattle98104

seattle98104 — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:45:13 -0800

Yeah, I think I popped a vein.

To repeat for all the OMG teh dogs will invade my clean spaces folks.

All this bill will do is allow bars that want to allow dogs in their bars to allow dogs (in their bars). It doesn't force bars that don't want dogs to allow them.

OMG TEH DOGS!!!

Comment by Troy

Troy — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:46:15 -0800

Context helps. Sales volume dropped 8%, but prices actually appreciated:

"Even with the sharp drop in sales last year, the median price of an existing home sold in 2006 managed to rise a slight 1.1 percent."

Comment by Tiz

Tiz — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:06:12 -0800

I for one am excited about the dog thing. She already comes with me everywhere I can take her. I would leave if she started misbehaving. I wouldn't take her to Neighbors, for chrissake (not that they would allow it). I would love to have my bodyguard walking me home when I need it the most.

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:32:09 -0800

I for one welcome our dog bar enabling overlords and look forward to telling the wait staff to clean up the dog poo.

Comment by catman

catman — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:24:03 -0800

well i want a five foot rule on your filthy stinking dogs while i'm in the bar!

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:08:20 -0800

oh, and technically, Norm's isn't a bar, it's a restaurant. It does have a bar, great food, but the real bar on that block is next door. The other one is also a restaurant, which initially was a bagel shop that started selling sandwiches, and now has a bar.

Comment by Peter S

Peter S — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:26:09 -0800

The estimate for utility replacement and upgrades on the seattle web site from a 2006 briefing says it will cost $180M

http://www.seattle.gov/council/attachments/06awv.pdf

Comment by appreciative!

appreciative! — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:18:18 -0800

very nice find, Peter S.

Comment by him

him — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:42:16 -0800

But was the $180M for the fancy new "Hybrid" tunnel? With only 4 "lite" lanes instead of 6, it'll be almost three times as hard to find the utilities. Somehow.

Housing sales dropped, but they've been booming for years on end now. Still the raw number is probably among the highest months ever.

Say no to the Sonics' $530M stadium. That could buy 5,300,000 Cambodia child prostitutes. Everyone in the greater Seattle metro area could have their own!!

Comment by him

him — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:43:39 -0800

Sorry, math skills rusty. That's 53 million child prostitutes. Two for every Washington citizen!!

Comment by him

him — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:45:47 -0800

Er, 8, not two. Wish there was a delete post option. I'll stop talking now.

Comment by i love ipa

i love ipa — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:05:27 -0800

I don't have a dog, nor do I especially like them, but I've never experienced a problem with them in the few bars I go to which do allow them. There are a lot of friendly, well-behaved dogs in the area, and a bar owner would be foolish if they allowed any other kind to be inside. Most owners know if their pet is suited to this sort of atmosphere. Most bars will continue to ban all but service animals, so don't get your panties in a bunch over it.

And Senator Ken Jacobsen is a hard-working representative who earns his pay, which is more than I can say for some of the state legislators I have met...