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I am guessing that the University of Connecticut is not well known for the civil rights lawyers they produce....

Hmmm, no black students participated apparently.

This party had nothing to do with MLK Day -- it occurred the following weekend. Read the freakin' article!

I’m going to be generous here and say that perhaps the younger generation, say those 25 and younger aka Generation NEXT®, is not as hung up on race as other generations and might not find this as offensive as in the past.

Maybe, at least subconsciously, they’re embracing these ugly, Hollywood/recording industry marketing stereotypes as a way of laughing at them and thereby neutralizing them.

please. This was a modern day minstrel show. You guys are a bunch of ostriches.

They look like a bunch of White Trash to me.

White trash don't go to UConn law school.

I scrolled through the pics and was struck by how lame their attempts to look gangsta were. One guy was drinking something from the Rogue brewery for chrissakes. It should be a 40 of King Cobra.

One of them might be president some day.

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That was my first thought, but then I decided it was too generous.

I’m going to be generous here and say that perhaps the younger generation, say those 25 and younger aka Generation NEXT®, is not as hung up on race as other generations and might not find this as offensive as in the past.

These are law students who are primarily from well-off WASPy families. I suspect you'd be disappointed to find that a fair number of them aren't sprinkling it with the same dose of irony that you might have.

Funny how this draws so much ire, when "white trash" parties don't warrant so much as blip on the socially conscious radar.

... then again, maybe it would if said "white trash" parties were thrown by black people.

...or better yet, if it had been nerdy black students dressed up as ganstas, would anyone have even noticed?

On a more interesting note- Erica seems to have merged to different parties together for her entry- The first, the UConn Bullets and Bubbly party, makes no mention of MLK, and could be argued is more of a class issue than race. The other party, U Texas party, (which WAS thrown for MLK day) was very much rooted in Black stereotypes- to the point of having a lily white Aunt Jemima, complete with syrup and 40.

So, are both these examples equally offensive?

Everyone, it would be best to hold your tongues on this matter. Those are our future legislators and Supreme Court Justices you're making fun of.

I didn't mean to say UCONN students were White Trash, I meant to say it looked like they were having a "White Trash Party."

About 10 years, one of my house mates suggested we have a "White Trash Party." She suggested, instead of the usual keg of Hales or Red Hook, we get a whole lot of 40oz OE800s and Mickey's Big Mouths, and serve Kraft Macaroni and Cheese (which kind of pissed me off because I love Kraft Mac&Cheese).

Another one of my house mates got all pissed off at the "racism of having a White Trash Party" so we wound up having a funky 70s party instead and everyone dressed up like Huggy Bear or Farrah Fawcett. Fun was had by all. (I think we wound up drinking Lucky and Olympia beer).

Colin: Yeah, that's ironic. Everyone always forgets that whites also were not allowed into colleges until 50 years ago, are still discriminated against in voting, make up 13% of the US population, over 50% of the prison population, 4.2% of lawyers, 1% of the senate, less than 1% of corporate CEO's, and 0% of presidents in history.

It's just like the hypocrisy over gay bashing and slurs. Have you ever noticed nobody gets pissed off over the word "straighty"???

Let's take away their Pell grants.

I really, really hope that cat's paw tattoo on that chickie's chest is real.

similarly in texas

I'd hit that.

Jamier-

What I was trying to point out was the fact that class discrimination rarely comes up as an issue in instances such as this. I am in no way trying to invalidate the racial implications...

guess I need to word things more good.

And "straighty"? Can't say I've ever heard that used in real life... although I always thought the term "breeder" was rather dehumanizing.

This looks like a different take on a "Pimp n' Ho" party. And yes, #4, a lot of stuff from Gen Next sounds extremely horrible (i.e. "Dude, that is so gay!") but really most of the people saying it are not homophobic. Gen Next also uses the 'Jew slang', (i.e. "Don't be such a Jew"). Likewise, they aren't anti-semetic. Its part of a messed up lexicon. It's like, use whatever horrible saying you can and take it as far as you can, cause its "funny". Not sure what started this trend, but its definately there. I can assure you that in most cases, its not meant to be as offensive as it is. Its not an excuse, but definately can clear things up a bit as far as intent. These kids are obviously morons who think they are funny.

I'd expect this kind of stuff from wide-eyed freshman, not law school students.

However, it's possible they will be horrifically embarassed about this five years from now. People can do ignorant things in their '20s.

Don't you know that it was Norwegians that created a culture of Grillz, Bling, and malt liquor consumption? Maybe this was a crazy lutefisk party.

and you wonder why black lawyers have a hard time working in lawfirms if the firms are filled with ignorant lawyers who can't get over their own damn stereotypes of blacks and other minorities.

again this irks me considering that these are law students.

While I too have heard Gen Next using the term gay and jew, when in print, blog, email or other written media I've seen it modified in spelling so as to show no ill will or have it confused with it's traditional slang definition. Gay shows as "ghey" or "gey" and Jew shows as "joo" usually.

UW students aren't much better.

They just seem like fucking moronic ignorant assholes who are borderline racists. I just don't see how you can justify propagating stereotypes so intentionally and blatantly.

As for kids using "gay" and "jew" as expletives, well that again just shows ignorance and while they may not be hostile, it is still painful to hear for the gay or jewish guy who has to pretend he didn't hear it.

My 2cents, feel free to disagree.

I wont do any UConn students weaves. They're not weave-worthy.

Hip hop culture does not belong to any one race exclusively. To argue that these students are being insensitive to blacks requires the racist assumption that they are emulating black people. I've seen plenty of white trash dressed like this in my day, but surprise - they aren't the ones complaining.

This is neither newsworthy nor racist. If you think it is either, get a hobby or grow some thicker skin.

As someone who actually attended this party, I can tell you that is just another example of the media taking something they know little about and twisting it around to "fit" some hot topic of the moment. The theme of the party was meant to satirize stereotypes on both sides of our society's class system. People wore tuxedos, 3 piece suits and debutante-type dresses, while some others did in fact dress as "white trash" or as icons portrayed in music videos. As for the WASP comment, students of every color and religion and socioeconomic background were present and invited to this party of about 100. These pictures (5 or 6) of hundreds I have seen since the event were taken out of context with little regard for what was actually going here. The real problem is that with the popularity and prevalance of sites like facebook, pictures can be totally misconstrued.

I am a student at the University of Connecticut School of Law and I would like to remind everyone that that party does not represent every student at the Law school, it is a small group not representive of the whole. I did not attend the party, nor did I know about it until the media grabbed a hold of it. Please do not lump all of us into this because we're not all like that.

P.S. I am white.

As an alum of this law school, I am outraged and ashamed. This is a school that is producing people who are supposed to promote blind justice. How can that possibly be done with such insensitive mockery of an entire culture of people? In particular, one of the girls in the pictures is in the criminal law clinic. As a former member of this clinic, I can say that the majority of people she is representing are from the same class of people that she is mocking and degrading. How is she supposed to provide "zealous advocacy" if she thinks so little of them as human beings?

To the person who said this was taken out of context, I'm not sure in what context we are supposed to think of this, other than the many scenes that are shown in gleaming technicolor in these pictures and the many others that were quickly removed from the FaceBook page. The fact that this party was kept underground so no one of color at the school would know about it and be offended shows that there was a clear knowledge that something offensive was about to take place and the complete disregard of that potential concern. And where are the pictures of the people of color who were allegedly there? If there were people of color at this party, why wouldn't they come forward and say they were there and it wasn't offensive to them?

If this was a large, inclusive, non-discriminatory party of 100 students that was supposed to be had all in good spirits, then why wasn't an email sent out on the UConn Law community listserv for all to come and enjoy like so many other parties have been advertised over the years? If there was nothing truly wrong with this party, then I suggest that those people who attended in their BabyPhat gear and gold chains stand on the corner of Farmington Avenue and Sisson and see what reaction they get from the locals at their fun, new, completely unoffensive looks.

The extent of planning and secrecy of this event shows the level of culpability of the people involved here. Obviously lots of planning was involved--people had to go buy grills, make paw stencil tattoos for their boobs, and buy G-Unit jackets which, I am pretty sure, were not hanging among the Brooks Brothers argyle sweaters hanging in their closets. If nothing was wrong with this party, then why are people not coming forward at the school, admitting that they were there and defending this event publicly?

Located in Hartford, Connecticut, UConn Law School is nestled in one of the poorest and most dangerous urban neighborhoods in the country. It is unfathomable to me that academically educated people could live in close proximity to such poverty and despair and feel the need to stereotype, degrade, and mock their less affluent neighbors. Maybe instead of exerting so much time, money and effort to make fun of the poor and people of color, these folks should volunteer at one of the local high schools, shelters, or after school centers.

These students are an embarrassment to UConn Law School and the entire legal profession. It makes me sad that so many people attended this event, and not a single person has come forward to say that this was wrong or that they are sorry. People offended by this event, and others like it, do not need to "grow a thicker skin." Rather, people who perpetrate these stereotypes need to be culturally educated, sensitized, and reprimanded by the school.

(P.S., I'm white and I'm still angry.)

As an alum of this law school, I am outraged and ashamed. This is a school that is producing people who are supposed to promote blind justice. How can that possibly be done with such insensitive mockery of an entire culture of people? In particular, one of the girls in the pictures is in the criminal law clinic. As a former member of this clinic, I can say that the majority of people she is representing are from the same class of people that she is mocking and degrading. How is she supposed to provide "zealous advocacy" if she thinks so little of them as human beings?

To the person who said this was taken out of context, I'm not sure in what context we are supposed to think of this, other than the many scenes that are shown in gleaming technicolor in these pictures and the many others that were quickly removed from the FaceBook page. The fact that this party was kept underground so no one of color at the school would know about it and be offended shows that there was a clear knowledge that something offensive was about to take place and the complete disregard of that potential concern. And where are the pictures of the people of color who were allegedly there? If there were people of color at this party, why wouldn't they come forward and say they were there and it wasn't offensive to them?

If this was a large, inclusive, non-discriminatory party of 100 students that was supposed to be had all in good spirits, then why wasn't an email sent out on the UConn Law community listserv for all to come and enjoy like so many other parties have been advertised over the years? If there was nothing truly wrong with this party, then I suggest that those people who attended in their BabyPhat gear and gold chains stand on the corner of Farmington Avenue and Sisson and see what reaction they get from the locals at their fun, new, completely unoffensive looks.

The extent of planning and secrecy of this event shows the level of culpability of the people involved here. Obviously lots of planning was involved--people had to go buy grills, make paw stencil tattoos for their boobs, and buy G-Unit jackets which, I am pretty sure, were not hanging among the Brooks Brothers argyle sweaters hanging in their closets. If nothing was wrong with this party, then why are people not coming forward at the school, admitting that they were there and defending this event publicly?

Located in Hartford, Connecticut, UConn Law School is nestled in one of the poorest and most dangerous urban neighborhoods in the country. It is unfathomable to me that academically educated people could live in close proximity to such poverty and despair and feel the need to stereotype, degrade, and mock their less affluent neighbors. Maybe instead of exerting so much time, money and effort to make fun of the poor and people of color, these folks should volunteer at one of the local high schools, shelters, or after school centers.

These students are an embarrassment to UConn Law School and the entire legal profession. It makes me sad that so many people attended this event, and not a single person has come forward to say that this was wrong or that they are sorry. People offended by this event, and others like it, do not need to "grow a thicker skin." Rather, people who perpetrate these stereotypes need to be culturally educated, sensitized, and reprimanded by the school.

(P.S., I'm white and I'm still angry.)

TB, get your facts straight. There were people of color at this party - and the invite wasn't sent over UConn's listserv because the invite went out to friends of those who hosted it. People aren't going to send an invite over the listserv everytime there's a party; that shit would get outta hand.

And the theme of (half) the party was "hip hop". Are you suggesting that the complexities of black culture can be so simply reduced to baggy jeans and backwards hats? They dressed in rap wear...like rappers do.

p.s. I'm black, I was at the party, and I think this is all ridiculous.

Planning and secrecy because the community list wasn't used to invite everyone at the school (including faculty and staff), are you kidding me? Do you blame the minorities who were invited and/or attended for not stepping forward and facing national criticism/attention? C'mon.

With over 100 people at the party, how would the party get more out of control by sending an invite on the community list? Clearly this was not a small soriee in which the hosts were concerned about adequate sofa space. And I cannot even count the amount of stupid "Blue House" party invites that were sent out on the community list over my 3 years at UConn Law, so it was actually very common for such invites to be emailed out.

And even if there was a minority or two at this party, which, I have yet to see, even though I have about 30 disturbing pictures in my inbox, that doesn't make this ignorance and racism proper. If this party was A-OK and completely legitimate, then why were these pictures immediately pulled and why is everyone who was at this party hiding in the shadows of various blogspots online instead of publicly coming forward and having a meaningful dialogue about this? If people sincerely believed that they were not being racist, then they should be brave enough to come forward and face up to the possible critism and explain their point of view.

It deeply saddens and angers me that the administration refuses to take any sort of action on this issue. These students should have documentation of this in their permanent records so that future employers and bar committees can decide if they have the necessary moral character needed for this profession.

I went to the party. I had a great time. I don't see what is so wrong with half of the attendees dressing like Eve when this would have been perfectly acceptable at Halloween. I also went to the Dean's Round Table in an attempt to find out just why the party in question was "so offensive," but was met with BLSA walking out to hold a press conference. Don't expect apologies when you jump to conclusions, don't talk to me and call for my expulsion.

Dear Anonymous--If you read my comment, you will see that nowhere in there did I call for your expulsion. I merely said there should be a submission in the attendees' records by the school so that an employer or the Bar examiners could be able to accurately weigh one's judgment and character, as they should be doing of all applicants.

I think the inherent racism in this event is evidenced by the fact that the people attending this event, or merely defending it, do seem to liken dressing up in caricatures of black people as Halloween costumes.

Will someone please school me on which hip hop artist the pregnant girl swilling the 40 is supposed to be dressed as? Just curious. I don't remember her coming out with any albums lately....

TB is an idiot. Dressing up as "caricatures of black people" eh? Funny, I don't see anyone with black face paint on...maybe you're the racist? Stop being an over sensitive underachieving public defender.

Wow, 2cents, you are so intelligent--because wearing black face paint is the ONLY way to be disrespectful to another culture. Thanks for informing us all with your detailed wisdom of race relations. And calling someone else an idiot for voicing their opinion is similarly well thought out and articulated. Bravo!

come on. I was a gay kid who went to high school in inner city chicago and guess what! the kids wore rags, drank on the school bus, smoked weed, and a few that could afford it had gold teeth. So quit bullshitting around and acting like the blacks are so defenseless and characterized in a false way. They are as quick to beat up and pick on gays, whites, or anybody else that is different to them as certain whites are to them. Believe you me, they are NOT defenseless and oh so disadvantaged.

Kels you are an idiot too. I didn't say that black face paint was the ONLY way to be disrespectful now did I? Bravo for missing the point entirely. All I'm saying is simply this:

Do-rags and gold teeth DO NOT portray the black race. It just doesn't. To say that this clothing and garb portrays a SKIN COLOR is just wrong.

Hip hop culture is popular among all races now. You've never seen a white kid or a latino wearing this kind of gear? Why isn't the Spanish American Law Student Association upset? I defy anyone to refute this point.

Maybe now that I've spoon fed it to you, you will understand that my point is clear and unrefutable. Get it now, Kels?

Proof that there were black students at the party:

http://www.courant.com/news/local/columnists/hc-ctubinas0128.artjan28,0,5116708.column

Here is the quote, if you don't want to read the whole article:

"One black student I cornered in the library just shrugged off the whole brouhaha. He was at the party and didn't have a problem with it. That 'ghetto' image isn't about me, he explained."

More importantly, his quote illustrates the only logical way to assess the situation. All you hypersensitive lunatics need to find something else to cry about.

So one black student stands up for his white friends' party and that suddenly makes this legitimate? He's probably the same dude on this blog, and I'm going to take a wild guess he isn't friends with any of the black students at his law school.

The issue then becomes does having a person in attendance who is the same race as the race being degraded negate the negative racial stereotypes that are being promulgated?

Consider this, a new story has just surfaced about a Clemson party that also took place on MLK weekend, where students from that college dressed in "gangsta" clothes, at least one girl stuffed her pants to look like she had a large rear, and one white male student painted his entire face and body black and wore an afro wig. Many members of a black fraternity also were in attendance. So, does the presence of African Americans here also make this party non-racist or acceptable?

Yes, of course it makes the party non-racist if members of a black fraternity were there! What kind of stupid question is that? Black people don't attend klan meetings because they are racist...they attend parties like these because they are not racist.

"Yes, of course it makes the party non-racist if members of a black fraternity were there! What kind of stupid question is that?"

Did you miss the part about a white guy painting himself in black face? What do you mean "of course" it's not racist? I don't see how the horrible decision to attend this party from some black guys puts a stamp of legitimacy on this.

Ok number one..do any of you over 40 stupid fucks remember what it was like to be an 18 year old.....not the brightest bulb in the room...I don't care what your GPA was. The next thing is black people have got to get a since of humor and stop this pour me bullshit. Get the fuck over it and have your own stupid party....try George Wallace's Birthday or here's a good one "the birthdate the Confederate Army loss of the the war"...come on stop being so fucking stupid..your not going to get anyware using CNN as a crutch...your like a girl whose been dumped by a boyfriend, the only advice is to forget him and get on with your life....ps. Mohamed Ali was the greatest fighter of all time...no fucking contest..be strong, and get a life....love eric XOXOXO.

Whatever happened to the good, old-fashioned toga parties? Everybody had a great time, and nobody got offended. Obviously, a "higher" education in no way implies a higher sense of decency, or IQ.

I AM GREEK AND I AM OFFENDED BY TOGA PARTIES

Since the beginning of time whites have made it a priority to administer, implement, and prosecute people of color but more especially blacks. Whites have always and will continue to make it their first and foremost objective to imitate,castrate,desegregate any and every thing that has to do with blacks in America and abroad since the early 15 Century. This is not anything new for Caucasian or descendants of Caucasians they have always made it a priority in the European Culture to dramatize their fascinations with false sexual exploitations,derrogatory impersonation and false denial of blacks as a whole. Those of us who have read the Isis Papers by Frances Cress-Welsing know that whites always base each and everything they do off of some type of sexual exploit. Those of us who are older look at this act as being extremely offensive but yet a asset. The thing we have to remember about whites is that their trend of thought nor the science from which they think never changes Their objective and this goes for the jews as well is this: fuck what they can, still what they can, and destroy what they can and call it Justice and Democracy in the name of God. History speaks for itself foreign and domestic.
Now for the blacks who attended the party it sad to say that you consider yourselves black or maybe you don't but to say that an event such as this took place and you say you didn't feel any injustice also tells me either you grew up under a lot of whites and lost your color long before you attended the university, or you lost it during one of their orgies. Because you are attended university that are pre-dominantly whites will not make u white nor licking their ass or sucking their dick. It only makes you a fool. It's sad to say if you so called blacks are planning to become defenders of rights for the rest of society first you need to find your own identity first. Because when the shit hits the fan And the whites implement a administration that will destroy human freedoms the first individuals they are coming for is you. Rememberr no matter how high you may go what secret societies you may become apart of and how many mixed children you have you still a nigger but only then you will be a UPPER-CLASS NIGGER

It's hard to sound educated when you can't even use proper grammar in your long-winded, incoherent, and esoteric rant. The first step in sounding pretentious is writing in proper English. Alvin Golden is surely the least intelligent jerk-off to have posted on this board. Go kill yourself you prick.

Wow the truth hurts when it hits home. People tend to get upset when someone of color who knows little about them, knows more than they know about there own history. All of which is left out of today’s history classes, due to what you would say is not an respectable part to include. In plain English,” you have just been read" by a wise man. If after a BLACK MAN has laid your history out in front of you by telling you the truth, and the only thing you have to come back at him with is a simple attack on his grammar and not the character of his content, well that makes you the ignorant person. People such as yourself can have all the talk in the world but you have nothing that’s worth listening to. Wow what a waste of a good nut. Now take that how you want to.

Wow the truth hurts when it hits home. People tend to get upset when someone of color who knows little about them, knows more than they know about there own history. All of which is left out of today’s history classes, due to what you would say is not an respectable part to include. In plain English,” you have just been read" by a wise man. If after a BLACK MAN has laid your history out in front of you by telling you the truth, and the only thing you have to come back at him with is a simple attack on his grammar and not the character of his content, well that makes you the ignorant person. People such as yourself can have all the talk in the world but you have nothing that’s worth listening to. Wow what a waste of a good nut. Now take that how you want to.

Wow the truth hurts when it hits home. People tend to get upset when someone of color who knows little about them, knows more than they know about there own history. All of which is left out of today’s history classes, due to what you would say is not an respectable part to include. In plain English,” you have just been read" by a wise man. If after a BLACK MAN has laid your history out in front of you by telling you the truth, and the only thing you have to come back at him with is a simple attack on his grammar and not the character of his content, well that makes you the ignorant person. People such as yourself can have all the talk in the world but you have nothing that’s worth listening to. Wow what a waste of a good nut. Now take that how you want to.

"Knows more than they know about THERE own history" . . . "AN respectable part" . . . hahaha way to make a point. Did you read that second sentence that you wrote, Abby? It doesn't even make any sense. Next time, try reciting your prose out loud to yourself before you hit "post" three times. Moron.

I am so glad I got a bite, but not from a fish. I caught a nasty, smelly, dirty boot with all the slime and rust on it. I guess that is what I get for going fishing in the upper-class sewage pipes. But thanks for being my BITCH, because I just won a $1.00 bet on how long it would take for someone naïve to bite and respond. I know to you it sounds like $1.00 bet is not a lot, but for me it shows just how invaluable you are to this planet. And by the way Get some balls and use your real name, oh but I forgot, you can't because you like wearing your sheets at night and using your real name would allow everyone to know the real you. You are the type of person that has no backbone. You are a closed door idiot who wears a power for the people image during the day around your peers to keep them from knowing the true you, but as soon as they are not around, the true you come out.

Abby, who exactly do you think you are? I agree with Brilliant insofar that I also think you sound less-than intelligent, but beyond that, you come off as just plain strange.

Again, your response is rife with errors. You should really consider learning to write if you want people to take your rants seriously. Of course, you are probably poor and went to a shitty high school, so your stupidity may not be entirely your fault.

Incidentally, the most racist post so far was made by Alvin Golden - but you conveniently ignored this fact.

Man, I used my first name AND last initial...I must have BALLS. You are so bold, Abby, I bet there is only one idiot named Abby in the whole country. If you are so ballsy, why don't you post your name, address, and phone number? God you are stupid.

Wow another nut sack. You have the audasity to talk about grammar. What sense does this statement make and I quote,"I agree with brilliant (insofar) that I also think that you sound (less-than) intelligent, but beyond that", and the rambling goes on and on. Wow hooked on phonics didn't work for you did it. By the way I am not poor,and I didn't go to a shitty high school, I think you might have me confused with some of your family members. I was raised with more money than you will ever see in a lifetime and I am caucasion. By the way if you had some real balls and not some loaners, then you would have put your entire last name down, but like the previous nut sac you don't want anyone to know your true identity.

Don't want to get into the middle of this, but there are no errors Marc's sentences, Abby. Also, how can you challenge his manhood when you have failed to put down your last name on every entry? I think Marc was being sarcastic - you are being illogical.

Also, why did you include the fact that you are caucasion? Are you saying that Marc was associating poor high schools with non-white people? That's a racist assumption, Abby. Again, you logic is flawed. As a black man, I am offended by your inclusion of this irrelevant fact in your argument. I don't want you arguing our point, Abby, your moronic posts have weakened our argument. Please stop posting.

Well Bo, I guess you don't know how to use spell check on your computer, because you really need to read, spell check, and have someone else read your comments before you post them. I put my last name on this posting, what do you have to say now? Bo I am wondering though, do you like the skin you are in. Bo as a black man you should be mad as hell. But its people like yourself who allow others to say and do things that would not be accepted if the tables were turned. I think it’s because you feel that’s a great way for you to fit in or in layman’s terms KISS ASS. For example, If African Americans were asked to come to school on CAREER DAY dressed like there role models, and some of the students came in dressed in suits
because there role models were Mr. Obama or the late Mrs. King and some students come in dressed in hip hop attire because there role models are Ludacris, or Fantasia, who do you think would be sent home for having on what society calls inappropriate attire? Of course the latter two would. Ludacris and Fantasia are positive role models who are promoting literacy and shelters for homeless and runaway children, as well as supporting the Oprah Winfrey's Angel Foundation. As a white woman I am offended by your ignorant comment. You should be outraged. By the way, I didn't ask you to side with me nor for you to assume I am auguring for you. You have just argued that point for yourself.

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I'm actually very proud that alvin golden presented the information that he did. When he referenced his information from Francis Cress-Welsing I read the book and it made very good sence, alvin is very much correct in his history and references to the Caucasian people. If you are available alvin I would like more info. Your writing isn't bad at all the writing of a person doesn't determine their degree of intelligence. I see that we have a large population of whites and blacks attending prestigous universities but the more we take in the ignorant,selfish,and filthy they are. I wish that more blacks considered reading such material like yourself. I see that we have gotten good responses from quite a few of jews and whites, WOW!!! keep up the good work they would not have responded if it wasn't true. We need to know the truth and it seems alvingolden hasn't let me or my friends down yet THANKS for everything.