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yes, yes, Dick Cheney...welcome to how invasive and upsetting it is for your private life to be made part of a public debate! It's funny how things are when they're not part of a theoretical, isn't it?

I'm surprise Wolf is so reeled aback when Cheney steps on his toes like that. Big wig reporters are supposed to think about their questions beforehand, and if they decide that they're proper, get them answered, not curl up in a ball when your interviewee decides not to answer them.

I'd actually almost say that letting Cheney "off the hook" as it were makes the VP look even more pathetic and weak then if he had "made" him respond. It's as if Wolf was just saying "Ok Dick, I can see this is too complicated for you to deal with and I feel a little sorry for you, so let's move on".....

Are we watching the same video?

Cheney looked like Darth Vader and Blitzer looked like a kid who asked to stay up late on a school night.

At least he broached the subject, but damn, grill that hipocrite.

To Cheney, the scummy ice water in his political veins is more important than any family member or non-millionaire American citizen.

And yet through it all, Mary still stands behind him...

Jesus christ, Dick Cheney is quite the mother fucker. I didn't like how Wolf seemed to start apologizing after asking the question. Grow a fucking pair… your name is Wolf Blitzer for christsakes!

Cheney acted like it was Wolf who thought his daughter was unfit to be a parent, not Cheney's own political bedfellows. I wonder if Cheney would go off like that on any of those Focus on the Family pricks.

@6: that's the key. Dick is being true to who he is: a wholly compromised sack of shit. Unapologetic, as he should be: he's a corrupt, thieving asshole and he's damn proud of it.

Mary, on the other hand, has to deny her own existence every time she draws a breath. He's not kissing her ass; she's kissing his, and all the scum like him. How disgusting is that?

I agree that Blitzer should have pushed the question, and I agree with what Sullivan wrote, and I agree that it is a legitimate question but give the guy a little credit for what he is already on record as having said on the topic of gay marriage and relationships. Granted, it’s not part of his talking points, but I think it implies some latitude and sympathy to our plight. Let me remind you of what he said in Davenport Iowa on August 24, 2004 as reported in the Washington Post on the 25th of that same month.

“Asked his position on the subject at a town hall meeting here, Cheney replied: "Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it's an issue that our family is very familiar with. . . . With respect to the question of relationships, my general view is that freedom means freedom for everyone. People . . . ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to."

Cheney went on to reiterate the position he first outlined in the 2000 campaign -- that same-sex marriage should be left to the states to decide. He noted, however, that Bush has endorsed a constitutional amendment preventing the states from recognizing such marriages.

"At this point . . . my own preference is as I've stated," Cheney said. "But the president makes basic policy for the administration. And he's made it.""

I think this may be the most pro-gay marriage statement ever made by any sitting US Vice President. Remember, Gore actually supported Clinton’s DOMA, and stated that he favored separate-and-unequal civil unions, a far cry from open support for marriage equality.

Cheney took a lot of shit from the Christianists (Focus on the family et. al) for this. I mean common, I’m not saying I want to go hunting with the guy, but give him a little tiny teensy weensy bit of credit.

"freedom means freedom for everyone. People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to."

What I want to know is why his OTHER daughter isn't serving in uniform - outside the Green Zone - in Iraq.

Obviously the gay daughter can't be drafted.

And yet Mary Cheney is too much of a log cabiner to oppose her father. She keeps insisting that *he* doesn't *really* agree with the Republicans on all that anti-gay-marriage stuff... so its all OK.

Cheney supporting both his daughter and his party is like being a butcher and a member of PETA.

It's called "privilege". Cheney and his daughter know that they are wealthy and think that the wealthy don't have to play by the same rules as the rest of us in society. For the most part, that is true. They are convinced that their money will protect them from any serious attacks against Mary's relationship or her child. Since they have what they want, in a grand American tradition, it's a mighty fuck you to all of the little people in the world (aka, the majority of us). Nothing could be more Neo-con than that position.

Exactly. Mary doesn't need the protection of the law, because she has the protection of wealth and power. No one, but no one, is going to challenge her legal status as a parent, property owner, etc., even in Virginia where she lives (where it is illegal for a gay man to sell his car to another gay man even if they have never met before).

She has chosen to accept that privilege, and actively work against the civil rights of other people like herself who lack that privilege. That's just wrong.

Dick's position is a (repellent) political position. Mary's position is a betrayal not just of gay rights but human rights.

I really wish someone would show me where Cheney changed his stated position in support of gay marriage “freedom means freedom for everyone. People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to.” If your going to demonize the guy, at least choose from the plethora of available positions he has actually taken. This is not one of them.

YGBKM, Cheney is not supportive of full marriage rights, at least not from the quotes you have provided. He thinks gay relationships should be allowed, but his statements do not mention the legal status of those relationships. And, he's fully in support of states being allowed to discriminate against gay couples by making gay marriage illegal. How you can twist that into some sort of statement in support of gay marriage is beyong me.

What part of "People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to." don't you understand?

The part where he's a Republican.

YGBKM @17, gay people are currently free to enter into a relationship. But we're not free to get married. Cheney statement is in support of what already exists. But his actions (or inaction) make it clear he does not support full marriage rights. Or at least he's not willing to speak up in support of it, for fear that his ba$e would abandon him.

“At the outset of his Congressional career in 1976, Gore called homosexuality "abnormal." In 1980 he voted for an amendment prohibiting the Legal Services Corp. from assisting homosexuals whose rights were denied because of their sexual orientation. As a senator, Gore repeatedly backed anti-gay measures devised by Jesse Helms that sought to deny legal protections for gay people, and supported an amendment to use HIV tests to discriminate against immigrants and people seeking health insurance. Even worse, Gore voted with Helms to restore the anti-gay sodomy law in the District of Columbia after the local city council tried to repeal it.”

The Weekly News (Miami) on August 31, 2000

“In 1993, Liberman voted to prohibit HIV positive people from immigrating to the United States and to kill a domestic partners law that had passed in the District of Columbia. And, going back to 1989, he voted to prevent schools from using educational materials that "promote homosexuality" or portray homosexuality as "normal, natural, or healthy."”

The Weekly News (Miami) on August 31, 2000

“Ralph Nader refused to denounce the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) that forbade the federal government from recognizing gay unions. As the bill was snaking its way through Congress, Nader infamously dismissed concern for the rights of gays as mere "gonadal politics" that would be beneath his dignity as a true progressive to comment upon.”

The Weekly News (Miami) on August 31, 2000

Okay, now, site me just one example where Cheney has personally spoken against or taken actions any more reprehensible (or even as reprehensible) as these sacred cows of the Liberal Left.

Lieberman a "sacred cow" of the Liberal Left. Have you read the news in the last few years? And Ralph Nader is no friend to the left, either.

Here's a more recent quote from Al Gore: "It is that love, after all, that is at the heart of why everybody is here. That is what must be honored and respected. Your right to fall in love with who you fall in love with. And your right to expect that that will be recognized with the same dignity and honor that love is recognized for other couples." (HRC Gala, March, 2006.

All of that is neither here nor there. Nobody here claimed that any of those guys was a champion of gay marriage. You, however, claim that Dick Cheney supports gay marriage. However, you offer no proof whatsoever for that claim.

Well you did run him as VP (didn't you?)