Slog - Comments on $300 Million... Plus Another $170 Million For Land & Parking Lots http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for That's what the Sonics want... The Seattle Sonics want the state to authorize $300 million in taxes for a new multipurpose events center, according to a letter from team owner Clay Bennett to Gov. Chris Gregoire and Legislative leaders. The arena the team wants built would cost between $340 million and $360 million, according to the letter. That does not include $150 million to $170 million needed for the land or the parking. The money could be raised by extending existing restaurant and rental car taxes, which were imposed to pay for Safeco Field and Quest Field. Didn't we just... Copyright 2008 Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:30:01 -0800 Tue, 06 Feb 2007 03:06:29 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Vivian McKechnie Wasn't the vote only in King County? Not the state?

]]> Vivian McKechnie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592480 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592480 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:42:24 -0800 Comment by YLlama The vote was Seattle only. And the result was, as Mr. Savage so eloquently puts it, "fuck no." I almost want to see the guy who bought the Sonics go completely broke personally, just so teach him a lesson about business. And I want to see a state-wide vote on welfare for sports.

]]> YLlama http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592486 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592486 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:55:05 -0800 Comment by Matt from Denver I have to wonder if they're purposely giving inflated figures in order to get No for an answer, thus allowing them to go to OK City like everyone thought when this guy bought the time. I mean we know that construction costs are way, way up but $150 million just for the land? Are they going to build it lakeside in Medina?

]]> Matt from Denver http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592491 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592491 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:12:57 -0800 Comment by Matt from Denver Whoops, make that $170 million for land and parking lots. Still sounds way too high.

]]> Matt from Denver http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592494 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592494 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:14:16 -0800 Comment by Mr. X Actually, the last thing anyone should want is a Statewide vote on taxes that will only be levied in King County (see Stadium, Seahawks).

Now a countywide vote, OTOH, would probably be a good thing, provided electeds honor it (see Stadium, Mariners)


]]> Mr. X http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592502 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592502 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:30:36 -0800 Comment by Fnarf What with impending billion-dollar doom over two critical roadways, I surely think that the supporters of all the different Viaduct plans, for instance, can come together and agree that the best use of the money is...another half-billion-dollar sports palace.

Fuck off, Sonics. Just go away. You're not even trying to play nice; why should we?

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592508 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592508 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:41:08 -0800 Comment by Just asking Meet the new tax-fighting, respect-the-vote, Eymanish, man of the people: Dan Savage.

]]> Just asking http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592523 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592523 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:29:56 -0800 Comment by John $530M is a freaking third of the cost of the monorail.

]]> John http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592535 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592535 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:23:48 -0800 Comment by rodrigo You've nailed it! The mistake has been to market mass transit around here as anything other than a fan delivery system for the stadiums. Lack of such a critical piece of infrastructure would surely be viewed as a state emergency by the WA Supreme Court. It would be built in no time.

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My guess is they'll try to come up with some sort of complicated deal that doesn't look like a give-away (but in the end is) so the WA Legislature can vote for it while claiming they didn't understand what it really meant.

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]]> you_gotta_be_kidding_me http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592580 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592580 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:23:03 -0800 Comment by Dave Coffman Let Tim Sheldon put his NASCAR track inside it, relocate it to Belfair, then convert State Highway 3 to a dirt road.

Alternatively, offer the 300 million in taxes on the condition that the Sonics pay completely for the extensive roadwork that will be needed on I-405 to handle the additional traffic for games. That might balance it out.

]]> Dave Coffman http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592584 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592584 Sports Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:30:35 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Can't we just impose a user tax on Stupid Republican Big Spenders who want to use state tax dollars to subsidize sports teams.

I'm thinking of a number between $300 million and $400 million ...

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592601 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592601 Sports Fri, 19 Jan 2007 00:38:03 -0800 Comment by DOUG. This is why I-91 was a joke.

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Given this association, any attempt to limit the teams access to money (blood) reduces the potential dick size of every guy in the place.

So, wanna bet they get what they want?

]]> old timer http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592683 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592683 Sports Fri, 19 Jan 2007 09:29:26 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle I don't think an initative that got more than 75 percent of the vote is a joke, Doug.

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Last time I checked, the Sonics were still cooling their heels in the basement. What do they need a new arena for?

]]> Tim http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592780 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592780 Sports Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:52:07 -0800 Comment by Grant Cogswell No, Dan, in Seattle the power whores ask the question again and again until the wind and the barometric pressure is right and they get the answer they want.

]]> Grant Cogswell http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592785 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592785 Sports Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:54:26 -0800 Comment by Grant Cogswell No, Dan, in Seattle the power whores ask the question again and again until the wind and the barometric pressure are right and they get the answer they want.

]]> Grant Cogswell http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592786 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592786 Sports Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:54:57 -0800 Comment by keshmeshi Because they're not making "enough" money. To which I say, if they want to make more profit, they can find investors and finance the thing themselves. Fuck corporate welfare queens.

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]]> Blondie http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592907 http://slog.thestranger.com/2007/01/300_million_plus_another_170_million_for#c592907 Sports Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:00:39 -0800 Comment by JenK I hope to HELL Bellevue DOESN'T want them because that is the one thing that could make Eastside traffic WORSE.

Dan, don't go throwing out irresponsible comments like that. Or maybe I'll be forced to send your son a drum kit.

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I still like the idea of turning Seattle Center into a public sports center & park. Use the Key for any number of sports, put field turf on Mercer Arena, put in a skate park, bmx track. The possibilities are right there for a great civic coup.

Let the Sonics go to to Bellevue/Renton, and Coffman's 100% right about handshaking on the dough to increase the size of the I-405's pee-hole.

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