Slog - Comments on Soy Makes You Gay, Now With Footnotes http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no Jim Rutz, chairman of Megashift Ministries, blew the minds of Slog readers and people everywhere last week with his warning that soy products make a person gay. This week he's back to answer a few questions... The shocking statements in my column produced much incredulity, the more so because I did not footnote or go into detail. I simply did not have room to introduce all the biggest problems with soy and do it in a scientific, footnoted format. I will make an attempt to compensate for that shortcoming in this column and the next few... Let's start here: The... Copyright 2008 Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:12:02 -0800 Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:54:02 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by h0ratiosanzserif Soy products – eaten, drunk, and slipped into thousands of commercial products – are rightly being blamed for a horrendous variety of medical conditions, several of them nearing epidemic status and a few of them irreversible.

I don't know about y'all, but I've been "slipping soy" to sexy straight boys for ages. It's like roofies you can buy at Whole Foods!

]]> h0ratiosanzserif http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576085 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576085 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:18:36 -0800 Comment by soultaco He cites Joseph Mercola and Weston A. Price as evidence? They're both well-established quacks.

]]> soultaco http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576093 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576093 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:34:05 -0800 Comment by Joey Wow--did Jim Rutz actually call them "Orientals"?

]]> Joey http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576103 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576103 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:50:25 -0800 Comment by Rujax! The WORST part is that I had to click into WingNut Daily to see that bullshit.

]]> Rujax! http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576111 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576111 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 16:58:33 -0800 Comment by Will in Seattle Hmmm. Another argument for breast feeding kids. And you can counteract it by eating beef jerky and pork rinds.

]]> Will in Seattle http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576121 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576121 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:07:57 -0800 Comment by Ronald Holden Archer Daniels Midland, Monsanto, Cargill: that's who's really behind this insidious plot to emasculate Merkins! Dr. Strangelove was right: we must maintain Purity of Essence, people!

]]> Ronald Holden http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576155 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576155 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:40:41 -0800 Comment by Meinert There's more proof - Josh Feit eats lots of soy. Case in point. Argument over.

]]> Meinert http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576159 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576159 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:46:16 -0800 Comment by Dave Coffman Wow. This guy's IQ is low enough to equate ball size to homosexuality?!? It's gonna be a dilemma for us fags: either be more gay, or have smaller cocks...

]]> Dave Coffman http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576164 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576164 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:01:10 -0800 Comment by Orv What I want to know is, who's been feeding soy to all those gay penguins?

]]> Orv http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576166 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576166 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:01:26 -0800 Comment by golob Man, he didn't even read his *own* foot-notes.

From his article:
"The first difference between Oriental soy use and ours is that much of their soy is fermented, changing it into body-friendly foods like miso, tempeh, and the tamari or shoyu forms of soy sauce. "

From the Pubmed article (the only reliable source to which he linked:

"...People need to know that as it occurs in soy and other plant products, genistin is the compound that’s there. The amount of actual genistein is very low, one percent or less probably... Key exceptions are fermented products, such as miso and tempeh, which may contain up to 40% free genistein."

Fermented soy products, like those predominantly eaten in asia are FAR HIGHER in active plant estrogens than the forms of soy eaten by Americans.

And really, soy? Acrylimides that are produced by frying starchy foods (think french fries, the entire menu at fast food resturaunts) are a known potent neurotoxins. Americans get exposed to way more of this than the weak plant estrogens.

]]> golob http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576183 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576183 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:25:20 -0800 Comment by COMTE Golob, that brings up an interesting point: are human estrogens and plant estrogens so similar that the latter would have any appreciable effect on humans?

]]> COMTE http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576242 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576242 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:55:47 -0800 Comment by Sachi Plant estrogens are well-known among transwomen to have no therapeutic uses. If you want to become feminized, you need to go with human estrogens. If plant estrogens have any effect, it will be exceedingly slight.

]]> Sachi http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576244 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576244 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 20:59:47 -0800 Comment by Papayas Sounds like hommie needed to consult some transwomen about this issue.

]]> Papayas http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576262 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576262 Life Tue, 19 Dec 2006 23:18:47 -0800 Comment by Mattie Did anyone else do a double take at his claim that pork provides 65% of the calories in the average Chinese diet?

I would have a hard time believing that anyone (except possibly the most hardcore Atkins diet follower in our meat-lovin' Western culture) gets 65% of their daily calories from all forms of meat combined.

]]> Mattie http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576319 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576319 Life Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:52:24 -0800 Comment by Brian P. this guy is seriously whacked - I know this is a given but I feel the need to spell it out for some who may not understand this:
Does anyone remember the study way back when where self-identifying gay men were given _more_ testosterone and it just made them _more_ gay?

the guy loosely ties together sexual organs, sexual identity & sexual preference - last time I checked there wasn't necessarily a direct correlation here...

some of these base assumptions are pretty bad to begin with; then he continues to build on top of them...

]]> Brian P. http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576413 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576413 Life Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:13:26 -0800 Comment by cindy My name is cindy now, but last week it was Mike. I went to Safeway and bought some Tofu, which I have never had. My friend told me that it would make me gay but I did not listen. I had a nice dinner and went to sleep. The next day.........I had BOOBS. two huge, floppy, boobs. Then my weiner fell off in the bathtub. DAMN YOU SOY. DAMN YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!

]]> cindy http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576939 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576939 Life Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:45:13 -0800 Comment by Ernest Cindy...I am ernest, the world's first pregnant man. Soy did the same thing to me. I ate a tofu burger and grew two huge hooters. I kind of liked them so I had a soy hotdog and then all of my body hair and my weiner fell off. I could not stop doing soy though. I had a glass of soy milk and now...........I AM PREGNANT. DAMN YOU SOY DAMN YOUUUUUUUU!

]]> Ernest http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576942 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/12/soy_makes_you_gay_no#c576942 Life Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:54:02 -0800