Slog - Comments on Soul Searching

Comment by Andrew

Andrew — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:54:30 -0800

When I think of conservatives, I think of my grandfather wearing a engineery suit, sitting at a desk with a calculator, telling me how things were possible because they were too expensive, too difficult to accomplish, or too idealistic to be done in reality.
Where did those guys go? What happened to those "Eisenhower conservatives"? They ruined all the fun, but they had a necessary place in keeping things on track, just like the liberals had a place in making the world a better place.

Comment by Andrew

Andrew — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:55:48 -0800

whoops, I meant "impossible", not "possible"

Comment by Fnarf

Fnarf — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:15:44 -0800

That kind of conservativism is gone. Or at least in serious remission. They sold themselves out to the religious kooks, and let the think-tank boys like Wolfowitz take over the brainwork. Result: disaster.

What we have now is conservatives of every description fighting like mad to stake out a plausible post-Bush position. Rats off a sinking ship, is what it is. There's a lot of finger-pointing going on: "YOUR kind of conservative is to blame here". Currently in the ascendancy (but not necessarily destined to stay there): the Goldwater/small-l libertarian conservative, at the expense of the religious "values" conservative and the neo-con "let's spread democracy" conservative.

Comment by bing

bing — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:19:46 -0800

sorta like the old school communists who say "communism never failed because it's never really been tried."

sorry, conservabots, W is your boy.

Comment by Will in Seattle

Will in Seattle — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:48:05 -0800

The kind of conservatives they speak of fled the red commie GOP years ago.

They probably only exist in the Bigger Tent Dems nowadays.

So, what calls itself Conservatives nowadays is the ilk that W is.

Comment by catalina vel-duray

catalina vel-duray — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:21:04 -0800

Most people who call themselves conservatives these days lack the mental capacity to really know what a conservative is.

It's the "movement" for the xenophobes, for the haters, for the suspicious. It has no intelecutal creds, no real-world validity. It's downward spiral started when they sold their soul to the devil, via that moronic "B" actor who, in turn was an amoral shill for the corportocracy.

Comment by Andrew

Andrew — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:47:33 -0800

Catalina, there are pleeeeeeeenty of xenophobe dems. Your boy Webb ran on an anti-illegal platform, as did Chris Carney and Patrick Murphy. Sherrod Brown's entire campaign was an anti-china, anti-mexico rant. These guys are anti-immigrant, anti-free trade, anti-globalization. Put together, these are are basically the international half of economic liberalism (in the Austrian sense) that Bill Clinton was so keen on.
There were plenty other xenophobe dems, so you shouldn't rail on Repub xenophobes when our own party's xenophobes are what won our side control of the house and senate.

Comment by Gomez

Gomez — Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:50:29 -0800

Yeah, what Bush and the neo-cons have turned the GOP into... that's not conservative politics. That's religious fascism.

True conservatives have simpler values, like minimizing government spending and size, and keeping taxpayer burden low. Religious values had nothing to do with it.

Comment by catalina vel-duray

catalina vel-duray — Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:31:51 -0800

Andrew, was I talking about Democrats or Republicans? No. I was talking about conservatives - or, rather, the deluded mouth breathers who call themselves conservatives, but don't know what it means. Don't try to confuse the issue by dragging in party affiliations.