Comments on Cop Killers

Oh, the irony of a cop getting done in by a crook in a stolen car.

Meanwhile, there are some residents in Ballard and Magnolia this morning. They shut down all of Elliott between the Magnolia Bridge and Prospect, and then for whatever reason extended the closure north to Nickerson, bottlenecking everyone in Magnolia onto Nickerson, neverminding all the Ballardites with them who had to turn around and go back across the bridge.

Um, that 1st sentence in the 2nd paragraph should read, "There are some ANGRY residents." Looks like a hilarious 'bears shit in the woods' comment without it.

That's how I want to spend my sunday morning, hunting down cops in civillian clothes and ramming into them with stolen cars. That guy totally stole my idea.

Um, there's probably angry residents in those areas EVERY morning, so your correction Gomez is still a shitting bear.

It took an hour for the 31 (headed toward UW) to get from the ballard bridge to the fremont bridge. that sucked. i do have to correct you though, gomez. the people who were already on the ballard bridge didn't loop around and go back over, but rather exited by salmon bay and drove towards lake union. those who got off before the bridge went through fremont and tried to cross the bridge there. Either way, you were totally fucked.

but nobody on the bus was angry, and the bus driver had a good sense of humor (estimating that we would arrive in the udistrict sometime tuesday afternoon). as soon as we got past the fremont bridge it opened right up and it took ten minutes to finish the normal route.

Salmon Bay sounds like a fake name. It reminds me of the Cheddar Bay Biscuits you get at Red Lobster.

So I guess you guys are all cop killers at heart.

Gomez, you war-mongering ass.

It's not enough that you feel it is acceptable to make fun of the death of a police officer - no, you then go on to complain that the invesitgation made your morning commute more difficult?

Wow. Here again - like your posts supporting the war - I see petty self-importance and hubris born of safety purchased at a cost paid by others

I'd imagine that most of those "angry" residents in Ballard and Magnolia didn't know what caused the traffic jam. Most, when informed, would probably view the resulting traffic as a regretable necessity. But not you, you piece of crap.

And lastly dumbass, it's not even "ironic".

You jackass. I was not making fun of anyone, I was pointing out the IRONY of a cop dying in an accident caused by a criminal. (Yes, it IS ironic) And yes, when an accident causes the closure of a street, it causes pain to those who have to work around it.

Stop starting shit where there is none.

um. whoa.

Name calling in comments ruins the discussion.

"starting shit where there is none."

I'm sorry, I must have misconstrued the feeling behind the phrase "Oh, the irony". In my experience it is an uncommon lamentation and doesn't at first glance appear to be a heart-felt expression of suffering or sympathetic regret.

Secondly? Sitting in your car is NOT PAIN! Being crushed to death or bleeding out in a car-wreck IS PAIN. See the difference? I'll try to make it clearer for you - my take on it is that the bleeding / death is worse because of the actual human suffering / loss of life thing. Your take on it is that you suffer an inconvenience and your entire perspective is twisted by this because Hey! You've in a hurry.

There are three narrow bridges connecting downtown to Magnolia and one to Ballard. At best these routes are overtaxed every day - I notice that your petty rant didn't include any suggestions as to how the police could have avoided creating a traffic jam.

And in closing - because it wouldn't be an useless Internet argument if it stayed on topic - no, it is not ironic. The simple circumstance of a police officer having been killed by a criminal is not sufficient to label it irony. There has to be some particular of circumstance or the officer that links to the criminal or crime to make it ironic. Examples in this case would be something like the officer being the head of the 'auto theft' unit or that the officer was pursuing a stolen car at the time.

To bring it full circle say you Gomez, were the head of the Citizens Committee For Speeding Through Red Lights and you were killed in the fashion described in the article. That would be ironic. And I could walk up to your grieving mother and first point out this irony, and then complain that your fatal accident made my morning commute longer. I'm sure she'd be happy to hear my observations and concerns because I'm "not making fun".

tl;dr. You're still trying too hard and you're still making something out of nothing. Cut it out.

Gomez - you've got a typo in your last post. You said "tl;dr." when I think you meant "Waaahhh!"

John Galt -- duh, looie.

How is a criminal killing a cop ironic? If the stolen car turned out to belong to the police officer, then THAT would be ironic.

I agree; Gomez's use of the term "ironic" was completely idiotic. Grammar foul.

some jerks stole my honda civic this year. it was revovered, much to my dismay, in absolutely disgusting condition.

i guess it beats being used to kill a totally innocent bystander. i feel bad for that young cop and his family.

Even if my usage of 'ironic' is wrong, you're still trying to condemn my character for absolutely nothing. If I wanted to make fun of the cop, I would have made it obvious.

You want a eulogy. Write one, instead of treating me like I was the guy driving the fucking Civic.

Her family

It was about 10am this morning when i recieved the call from SPD that it was in fact my car (accord btw not a civic) that was involved in the accident this morning. He informed me of the details and directed me to King5 & Komo websites since i had not heard about the story yet.

I feel horrible. the story almost brought me to tears. i cant get my head around the idea that something i own took a life.

It was a female officer on her way to work. on her way to protect & serve this city.

I told the insurance agency that even if the car is reapirable there is no way i could get behind the wheel of a vehicle that had taken an officers life.

they have agreed to consider it totaled. from the photos and video they think it is not repairable anyway.

the car will be in longterm holding while detectives go over it with a fine tooth comb. it will be some time before i receive any personal effects from my car, assuming that they were still in there.

the car was stolen from 1st & stacy sometime between 11am & 5pm yesterday while i was downtown watching the hawks game.

they broke into 2 other cars that were parked near mine and ditched another stolen car there too.

i can barely concentrate today. i asked that the detective give me info to send condolences to the family of the officer when able.

to all you fuck nuggets out there, complaining about sitting in traffic and joking about killing cops. you should be ashamed of yourself. just cause some cop threw the book at you the last time you got a speeding ticket doesnt give you the right to hate cops. for every bad seed you may point out there are thousands of officers doing their job and doing it well.

you are scum. and if i ever run into any of you haters in person so help me god i will take out all this anger and fustration i feel right now, on you.

I'm not condemning your character for "absolutely nothing". I'm condemning the tone of your initial post.

I'm condemning making reference to the death of a police officer as an off-handed remark. That's why I picked on you for your use of the phrase "Oh the irony".

But indeed, that was only the introduction to the meat of your post, and there is where the real offense is - let's break it down.

"Meanwhile" - which serves to set up the substance of the two paragraphs against each other - the death of the police officer vs. your inconvenience and the presumed thoughtlessness of the Seattle Police Department.

"all of Elliott" ... "for whatever reason" ... "bottlenecking" ... "neverminding" - all of these serve to color your statement as a criticism of the police response - again, the basis for your criticism being your own inconvenience.

Lastly, as "Charles" (5) points out - you exaggerated the effects. To which you posted no acknowledgement.

That is why am condemning your character - at least as far as it is reflected in the content of your initial post.

And finally, it is a false dichotomy to suggest that the only two responses to this are to make mocking reference to the death of a police officer or to write a eulogy. What I am suggesting this that you have some sort of goddamn perspective. Regardless of the death of a police officer; for you to publicly bitch about this tragic circumstance through the narrow lens of your personal comfort is shameful and you should expect to be taken to task for it.

Terrible things happen to good people and good people die all the time.

If you insist on getting twisted up about it every time it happens, and insist that everyone you know get similarly twisted up or solemn, you'll go nuts.

Life is a bitch, but that's no reason to be a bitch in return, nor is it a reaosn to insist that everyone wear proverbial black every time someone dies in tragic fashion.

Also, adnauseum in #21, is that a threat?

I'm pretty sure making open threats on other commenters on the Slog is a HUGE no-no.

And I second the notion given to John Galt that you need to calm down.

Again, Gomez, you slack-jawed nitwit, I am not commenting on the tragedy itself, but the tone of your response.

I'm "twisted up"? I'm "insisting" that you get "twisted up or solem"? Yeah? Where do I do that?

You're attacking my character, but not my arguement. Granted, there's no real defense for your self-centered mewling, but hey - don't let that slow you down.

Go ahead and pretend that my pointing out your self-important bitching is the same as my insisting that you go into mourning. Your inability to defend and refusal to own up to the essential character of your statements is damning.

And if you don't want people to call you on it? Keep them to yourself.

it is clear after re-reading this gomez's coments that he is just goading us. he likes to see himself posted in the same way he probably like to hear himself talk. John Galt you were right on with all you said. this gomez is nothing more than a tool. no need to respond to him more.

I don't agree.

John, I'm not attacking you at all, but calling you out for constructing a big deal out of nothing. Anything I have said since my first comment is ONLY in response to your unwarranted attacks, and only your attacks.

I'm sure you're a decent guy aside from your actions here. I'd hope this is just a reaction to the circumstances contained in this thread.

Meanwhile, I don't know who adnauseum is, but he's either a troll or a sock puppet. Either way, he's the Fool to John's Lear as far as I'm concerned from here on.

No doubt the loss of ANOTHER officer to a tweaked loser is tragic. But let's not lose sight of a critical parallel point. Wouldn't a grade seperated mass transit system that linked Ballard to downtown be a good idea? Someone should look into that.

Get a grip, people. Your outrage would be more usefully directed at getting the new Congress to something about Darfur. While you were decrying the lack of civility in a harmless blog comment, who knows how many people have lost their lives, kin, or limbs?

And to those complaining about the misuse of the word 'ironic', direct your ire at Alanis.

We don't live in Darfur and this thread has nothing to do with it. When SLOG writes about Darfur I'll read it, and if necessary, make comment on it.

Gomez, in your initial post, it was not how clear you were on the officer's death, since you spent most of the time complaining about the traffic the accident caused. Your use of the word irony, which was incorrect in your usage, made it seem like you were saying, at least how I interpreted it, that it was ironic a citizen killed a cop rather than the other way around. I'm sorry if we misinterpreted your thoughts, but perhaps you should have someone look over your posts before you submit them.

Good observation. We don't live in Darfur. However, the point stands there are better ways to spend your time than adding bold tags to your outrage that someone doesn't take a minor tragedy as seriously as you.

Again, it was a case of someone looking for something that wasn't there. If I wanted to smear a cop's name or make fun, I would've made a clear, blatant attempt at it.

Given there are only 3-4 people actively making an issue out of it, it seems that most people get my point.

One more thing...

I'm sorry if we misinterpreted your thoughts, but perhaps you should have someone look over your posts before you submit them.

You could say the same thing of 80% of the people who post comments here, including some of the people who write for this paper.

", but perhaps you should have someone look over your posts before you submit them."

-- Exactly one half a of a too-long sentence. Red pen, please.

Here's something better to get mad about: the con who caused the accident was a repeat offender w/r/t petty larceny, robbery and theft, and he was free in large part because the SPD doesn't have enough resources to devote to combating robberies and theft crimes, and keeping tabs on criminals like this.

Gomez that is about the only helpful thing you have posted in this thread. thank you for pointing that out. FYI - i am not a troll. It was in fact my car that was stolen and involved in the accident that took Officer Nowaks life. my co-worker told me about this thread and when i read it i became very irate. the last few days have been very intense and emotional.