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<title>Slog - Comments on Bad Hadid</title>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid</link>
<description>My love of Zaha Hadid&apos;s work, and particularly her first built American project, Arts Center Cincinnati, which was completed just around the time America began shocking and awing the city of her birth, Baghdad. This love has been weakened, if not entirely destroyed, by her proposed design for the Nuragic and Contemporary Art Museum in Cagliari, Italy. The badness of this future building speaks for itself. I will, however, point out that the human imagination often reaches the peak of poshlost (cheesiness) when it turns to the sea for inspiration....</description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:38:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by fixo</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Charles, how about favoring us poor knuckleheads with some guidance about why to you the Cincinnati thing which, I dunno, looks a little brutal to me, is good, whereas the Cagliari museum (sail? wave? shark? cloud?) is just cheesy?</p>]]></description>
<author>fixo</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494893</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494893</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:24:10 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by gfish</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>At least the first one has right angles...</p>]]></description>
<author>gfish</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494899</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494899</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:29:42 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Maria</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I think the SeaRay design is lovely Charles. Please do let us know why you think it's Krap Maccaroni & Cheese.<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>Maria</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494904</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494904</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:34:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by fixo</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>yes, and its form follows its function I suppose.  Whereas the other one, like EMP (ugh), is perhaps form for form's sake.  So what, would that all by itself mean it's bad?  </p>

<p>Just askin'....</p>]]></description>
<author>fixo</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494909</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494909</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:35:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by charles mudede</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>the first building is architecture, the the second one is not. The second one is simply a sculpture you can walk into. The second, if you look from the top, is also inhuman. it may as well have been the product of the dumb sea and all of its stupid waves.</p>]]></description>
<author>charles mudede</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494915</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494915</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:42:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by David Sucher</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Charles, <br />
A little more explanation, please?<br />
I happen to agree with you in part, though the quality of the first one (Cincinnati) is simply that it is an ordinary street-enfronting urban building. It is NOT "special" which is one of the reasons it is good.</p>]]></description>
<author>David Sucher</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494921</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494921</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:53:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by maria</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Didn't we ourselves crawl out of the dumb sea? Didn't humans evolve from sea life? </p>

<p>Sculpture cannot be architecture or vice versa?<br />
</p>]]></description>
<author>maria</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494933</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494933</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:08:40 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Dougsf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I like the SeaRay design, but not for an arts center (I'm guessing the title " arts center" implies performing arts or education, and it's not going to be a, art museum? Neither fit the architecture). </p>

<p>It would a fantasic train station in my opinion, with its implication of flow and fowardness. </p>]]></description>
<author>Dougsf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494937</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494937</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:13:49 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by chris</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>jesus fucking christ charles, what's with the fucking pronouncements? you're pulling them straight out of your ass. I swear they're not even wrong. the exact opposite of everything you say makes about as much sense.</p>]]></description>
<author>chris</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494941</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494941</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:23:54 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by monkey</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>The first isn't ugly but it's nothing that would make me stop and say, "wow!"</p>

<p>The second I think is interesting.  I might be a touch gimmicky but it's no worse than the EMP.</p>

<p>I'm less offended by an attempt at an artistic building as opposed to a big box with windows.</p>]]></description>
<author>monkey</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494958</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494958</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:45:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by him</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I saw her exhibit at the Guggenheim in NYC a couple months ago.  I think she's doing a lot more architecture with fluid elements than in the past, so if you don't like this, you don't have much to look forward to from her.</p>]]></description>
<author>him</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494999</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c494999</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 14:44:41 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by glenn</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Both buildings seem pretty pedestrian to me, but the latter is, at least, curious, where the former is simply modern post-functionalism at its most Home Depot. </p>]]></description>
<author>glenn</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495078</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495078</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:56:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by elswinger</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I like the Italian job.  It looks like a Bond villain's lair.</p>]]></description>
<author>elswinger</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495080</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495080</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:57:34 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Judge Schmales</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Dumb though the sea may be, try winning an argument with it.</p>

<p>You'd critique a fucking grocery list, Charles.</p>]]></description>
<author>Judge Schmales</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495081</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495081</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 15:59:46 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by COMTE</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I don't get the argument at all.  Architecture traditionally has been limited by the structural tools available to a particular culture or civilization; just as internal steel skeletons all but sent the Doric column the way of the Dodo, so newer materials are allowing contemporary architects to completely redefine the relationship between form and function.</p>

<p>To me it's the nature of that particular dialogue, which in the process creates a tension between form and function that is expressed in the design of the building that I personally find interesting, and I think both buildings accomplish this in different ways.</p>]]></description>
<author>COMTE</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495084</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495084</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:03:25 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by fixo</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>tnx, Comte.  Now we're getting somewhere.</p>]]></description>
<author>fixo</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495098</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495098</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:26:20 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Only architects think that buildings are about a dialog between materials and function. Real people know that buildings are places to do stuff. The first building pictured works because it's in a place; it has square corners, which means it can fit into its community, and you can buy furniture that fits in it. The second building, as a statement of pure art, is expressing contempt for the idea of the practicality of living. It has no neighbors; indeed cannot have them. It can produce dramatic feelings of art in its occupants but cannot ever serve a useful function for them.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495107</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495107</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:44:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by laterite</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Why can't an art museum also be art itself? The first building could just as easily contain a Crate & Barrel or a large fitness center; the second evokes a confluence of sea and sky upon terra firma and is futuristic in an Arthur C. Clarke kind of way.</p>]]></description>
<author>laterite</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495122</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495122</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:00:53 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jude Fawley</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Nice Clarles imitation, Fnarf. Dead on!</p>]]></description>
<author>Jude Fawley</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495150</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495150</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:44:22 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Jude Fawley</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>I mean, "Charles"</p>]]></description>
<author>Jude Fawley</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495152</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495152</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:45:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by charles mudede</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>fnarf has hit on the truth: "The second building, as a statement of pure art, is expressing contempt for the idea of the practicality of living. It has no neighbors; indeed cannot have them." The second building is not architecture because to be such is to be among (and communicate with) other forms of architecture. at root, architecture is a public art--it must meet the public and public must meet the art. the second building shuts down all meeting points and conversation; it speaks to itself in a language that has meaning only to itself.  </p>]]></description>
<author>charles mudede</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495175</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495175</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:46:16 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by Fnarf</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. Charles, you are a wise man regardless of what these people say about you. Plus, you used "poshlost" in a sentence. If ever our paths cross I will treat you to a glass of wine.</p>]]></description>
<author>Fnarf</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495206</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495206</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:34:50 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by cinenaut</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Hadid's Cagliari, Italy project looks like she's doing a variation on Santiago Calatrava's usual schtick.</p>]]></description>
<author>cinenaut</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495364</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495364</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:07:43 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by COMTE</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I have to completely disagree Charles; we are indeed having a conversation about the building, one that isn't exclusive to the building itself at the expense of either its immediate environment (which others have indicated - and which I agree - it complements quite well), not to mention the fact that the overall design seems eminently appropriate considering the proposed contents, which incidentally are not intended to include living spaces if I read the prospectus correctly, so I don't see how FNARF's comments in that regard are even relevent to this discussion.</p>

<p>Nor do I buy the assertion that it cannot nor does not have a relation to other buildings, since the entire basis of this discussion is the comparison of it to another similarly functioned, but quite different in form building located almost half way around the world.  Apparently, the panel that approved this felt otherwise, in that it met their requirements in this regard, as outlined in the original competition prospectus:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=402070" rel="nofollow">http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=402070</a></p>

<p><br />
The conversation IS occuring; it's just not going in a direction you may have prefered, is all.</p>]]></description>
<author>COMTE</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495420</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c495420</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:48:28 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by soma</title>
<description><![CDATA[<p>It is very important for you to click below. Trust me </p>]]></description>
<author>soma</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c498597</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c498597</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:18:03 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by lycos gamesville</title>
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<author>lycos gamesville</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c499631</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c499631</guid>
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<pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:53:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>online viagra</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c501489</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c501489</guid>
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<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 01:53:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>generic ultram</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c501864</link>
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<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:02:08 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>cheap wellbutrin</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c503949</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c503949</guid>
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<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:46:14 -0800</pubDate>
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<title>Comment by clonazepam</title>
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<author>clonazepam</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c504702</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c504702</guid>
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<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:18:12 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>clonazepam</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c505572</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c505572</guid>
<category>Architecture</category>
<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 17:18:19 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>generic tamiflu</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c507592</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c507592</guid>
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<pubDate>Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:34:36 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>cheap nexium</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c511570</link>
<guid>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c511570</guid>
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<author>baseball betting</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c512274</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:10:02 -0800</pubDate>
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<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c512882</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:13:37 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>bingo</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c515437</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:20:48 -0800</pubDate>
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<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c515490</link>
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<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c515498</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:28:39 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>generic valtrex</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c516269</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:57:11 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>betting line</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c516740</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:35:27 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>generic lexapro</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c517696</link>
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<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:00:24 -0800</pubDate>
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<author>cheap wellbutrin</author>
<link>http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/11/bad_hadid#c518218</link>
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