This is what conservatism has come to in the United States: mocking the disabled. Rush Limbaugh is a fucking asshole, and anyone who watches or listens to his show should have their membership in the human race revoked. Scrotum jabbing is too good for them.

Why should the laughing school children get to have all the fun?

Since Limbaugh's audience tends to be older, and might have more experience in Parkinson's than the average person (i.e. they have it themselves or have had friends die from it) I hope they can see through his bullshit.

But I'm not holding my breath.

I can't even understand this bullshit. Is he trying to convince his audience than Parkinson's isn't that bad? What's next? "Walk off that heart attack, pansy!"

At least some opponents to stem cell research have a coherent stance about protecting the dignity of human life. This is just bizzare.

From Rush's Web site - since few or none of you actually listen to him - you should have the facts first before leaping to conclusions:

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Michael J. Fox is allowing his illness to be exploited and in the process is shilling for a Democrat politician. In the process of doing that, creating an impression like John Edwards tried to do that is not reality. Michael J. Fox is using his illness as a way to mislead voters into thinking that their vote for a single United States Senator has a direct impact on stem cell research in Missouri. It doesn't, and it won't. So Mr. Fox is using his illness as another tactic to try to secure the election of a Democrat senator by implying that with her election, that we'll be on the road to stem cell research her opponent opposes and people who suffer from Parkinson's disease as he does will have a cure. It's a negative ad, and negative ads work, and people criticize them all the time as I am doing to this one, but when you see it, there's something wrong about it in the get-go. It's the exploitation of someone's illness. I wonder if this would become a trend and all kinds of illness were being exploited how people would end up reacting to it and feeling about it. So if this was not an act, then I apologize. I've not seen this type of appearance by Michael J. Fox before and that's why it struck me the way it did. But despite all that, I mean it's pitiable and it's very sad anybody has this disease, because it is debilitating in ways that people that don't have it don't even understand. But to exploit it like this in misrepresenting the political agenda of a particular candidate, there's nothing admirable about that.

I must share this. I have gotten a plethora of e-mails from people saying Michael J. Fox has admitted in interviews that he goes off his medication for Parkinson's disease when he appears before Congress or other groups as a means of illustrating the ravages of the disease. So lest there be any misunderstanding, we talked about a half hour ago of the commercial that's running for Claire McCaskill featuring Michael J. Fox on what appears to be when he's off his meds. I have never seen him this way and I stated when I was commenting to you about it that he was either off his medication or acting. He is an actor after all, and started hearing from people, "Oh, no, I've seen him on TV this way, this is how the disease has affected him when he's not on his medications." Then the e-mails started coming in saying he's admitted not to taking them in certain circumstances so as to illustrate how the disease affects people. All of which I understand, and I'm not even critical of that. Parkinson's disease is hideous.

Let me just stress once again in what I said in closing this out, that I think this is exploitative in a way that's unbecoming either Claire McCaskill or Michael J. Fox, because in this commercial for Claire McCaskill he's using his illness in a way to mislead voters that there's a cure for Parkinson's disease if only Claire McCaskill gets elected, if only Jim Talent is defeated. And of course it's all about stem cell research, which is a huge ballot initiative in Missouri anyway. I'm sorry, Missoura. He pronounced it Missoura. There are two ways to pronounce my home state, Missouri and Missoura. And Missoura, in certain sectors is the preferred pronunciation. It is a way to relate to certain Missourans. We never say Missourans, we say Missourians. But it's a way to reach out, "I understand you, I know your state" and so forth. There's a lot of politics in the commercial. But Mr. Fox was allowing his illness to be used as a tactic to trying to secure the election of a Democrat senator who is going to somehow, her election is going to lead to the cure for Parkinson disease via stem cell research because her opponent, Jim Talent, opposes it, which is not true. He may oppose embryonic stem cell research, does not oppose adult stem cell research or even cord blood, I don't believe, research, umbilical cord research.
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I imagine Limbaugh was a big fan of Christopher Reeve's "paralyzed" act, too.

What a fucking punk - and what I would give to land a solid punch right on that fat fucking mug of his.

I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire.

PGR --
Just to be absolutely clear, embryonic stem cells are capable of doing things that no other stem cell can do, like make new heart cells, dopaminergic neurons (to treat parkinson's), beta islet cells (to treat diabedes) and many other otherwise unobtainable cell types.

Adult stem cell or cord blood research is good and important, but by no means an alternative to embryonic stem cell research.

I'm saying this as someone who has personally worked with, and published peer reviewed manuscripts involving, both adult stem cells and embryonic stem cells in research labs for nearly a decade now.

And, in my opinion, people demanding funding for research towards the most promising potential new treatments for their diseases are not "exploiting" their disease. They are advocating for their life, their liberty and their right to persue happiness.

PGR- Go fuck yourself.

No matter the semantics of Rush's "speech", the point is that Republicans have been using a much worse tactic to sway voters: abusing the memories of 9/11 and playing on peoples fear. They have used the tactic of saying the Dems would allow another attack, Dems are weak, Dems love terrorists, etc. So WTF gives Rush the idea that he can critize an ad that abuses something awful? That has been the republican agenda all along.

And to make it worse, it doesnt matter if Jim Talent agress with partial research or not. The point is that he is limiting the research field. This goes against the agenda of people with a disease that might be cured quicker with more lines of stem cells open for scientists to research. So I applaud Mike J. Fox for continually putting a face to the many diseases that are waiting for research to help them.

So, are Anal-Cyst-Boy and his legion of parrots actually trying to claim that a person with a debilitating condition such as Parkinson's, who has the temerity to appear in advertising for persons or causes whom they believe will work toward a cure for such conditions, is EXPLOITING their illness? A person with MS is no longer allowed to appear in a PSA for MS research? Cancer survivors can no longer appear in an ad to campaign for a politician who advocates more funding for cancer research?

What a crock of shit. Fox, and every other citizen of this country, has the right to endorse, and appear in advertisement for, any candidate or issue they wish. It's called free speech and the right of free association, you Judas-goat* asshole.

*Judas-goat: the goat used to lead a flock of sheep into the slaughterhouse by utilizing their instinct to follow. The Judas-goat itself is not slaughtered; merely used to make it easier to slaughter the sheep.

wait, that was a little blunt, PGR - go fuck yourself for your unkind, insensitive soul... MJF is disabled and your knocking his speech impediment is way off-base.

PGR -

Sounds like Limbaugh's cautiously trying to apologize above for being such a pig-raping asshole.

Key quote from the Limbaugh quote above:

I have gotten a plethora of e-mails from people saying Michael J. Fox has admitted...

This is simply the way he works. He hears stuff he likes, so he takes it at face value. No fact checking, no third-party verification - "somebody told him", so that's good enough for him.

And you take this guy on good faith because...?

It's absolutely ridiculous. Advocating for a candidate who backs research that could save your life and more importantly, allow you to live that life with dignity, is just being logical.

Hell, I'd be comfortable with him saying, "Millions of Americans suffer like I am. Vote for the person who values me and those like me more than a smear of cells in a petri dish."

Howard Stern played the entire RL clip. it was classic.

PGR's acronym is definitely a contradiction in terms.

I don't know if you've gotten the memo yet, PGR - the fundie base has decided they want you Log Cabin types out of the Rethug tent (of course, we dems don't really want you either, but that's your problem).

As someone else already stated eloquently - go fuck yourself.

oh, yeah, and PGR> you are really drinking the kool aid, aren't you?

I'll take stem cell opponents more seriously when they start calling for a ban on in-vitro fertilization too. Otherwise, their opposition is just posturing.

PGR:

This is what the douchebag said on his national radio show:
“He was either off his medication, or he was acting. He is an actor, after all.”

Then on his Web site, he makes the backpeddaling comments you list, supported by the "i've received many e-mails" dodge.

1] it's the meds that make MJF twitch. not the disease. if he was off his meds, he'd have a hard time making such an impassioned plea.

2] i've received many e-mails stating that PGR is a mindless idiot.

"Proud Gay Republican". Yes, it makes sense that someone like you who is defined by cognitive dissonance would try to explain away Rush to the rest of us.

It also explains why you are completely tone deaf to what Rush is actually saying.

I'm fairly certain there is actually no such thing as a proud gay republican,

Compartmentalizing is not something normal people aspire to.

I totally agree with Limbaugh - whenever I see someone with a cane, or in a wheelchair, or with a walker, or a twitch or weird scars, or missing limbs - generally anything not normal - I'm appalled at how they are using their condition to get attention.

I saw this awful woman the other day. She was missing her feet and using an oxygen tank. How dare she? That bitch.

I'm in FAVOR of all, including embryonic, stem cell research. Period.

That isn't the debate. I merely added the pertinent context because it was a lot better that the deceptive lead-in than Cienna provided. The point is that the ad is based on a misleading premises on the candidates' positions on the easily tangled and confused issues of stems cell research and human cloning.

Take your valiums folks.

Take your valiums folks.

Um, PGR, I don't see what was so "deceptive" about what I posted. Are you referring to that Rush Limbaugh *QUOTE* I linked to? Because the rest of his soapbox speech doesn't dress him up any prettier.

Gasp! How dare I use Limbaugh's quotes to make him look bad!

(You ass.)

The real exploiters on this issue are the asshole Republicans who hinder vital research to please their base.

Barbara Bush is allowing her illness (Grave's disease, the thing that makes her look like not only a bitch, but a freaky bitch) to be exploited and in the process is shilling for her retarded son.

You'd think that she would have learned her lesson about hitting the bottle after seeing W as a baby, but addictions are hard to whip, and what mother doesn't love her children, even the fetal alcohol syndrome one. Plus it gave mother and son a common interest.

To PGR and the other republician twit: a quote from this months Rolling Stone cover article "This kind of appalling moral blindness, a sort of high-functioning, sociopathic stupidity, has been a consistent characteristic of the numerous Republicans..."

yeah in your rush want to defend Rush, you take a guy who used to be a good enough character actor, who now has a debilitating disease, but still has enough celebre to act as a spokesman for research into the disease and wants to undo the damage your party has done to vital research in the name of the MORAL HIGH GROUND, and you defend Rush for giving him a good big kick in the balls. Then you demand to know why kicking him in the balls was such a bad idea. Good move, fuck heads.

What a shocker that Rush Windbag speaks of something he knows nothing about.

Listen up you viacadin, viagra, hillbilly heroin riddled "media personality"....
What you see in the video are the side effects of the drugs one must take to simply function with Parkinsons Disease. If he WASN'T on his drugs(either sinimet or levadopa etc etc) he would have been a statue, stiff and unable to speak clearly.
Do your research you fat piece of crap.

PGR is either a concern troll, or a quisling, or both.

"Quisling" has fallen out of fashion, but it seems to be the appropriate nomenclature for people like PGR.

You keep backing these scumbags into a corner, and they keep getting more and more desperate. PGR, your facade is crumbling. You can't seriously be defending that fat tub of goo and his outrageous and disrespectful lies.

OK. I admit that my comments are flawed on this subject and that I should have done some more digging to get the facts in order. I'm sorry.

oh and if any of you dont want to take my word for it, put your money where your mouth is and give and attend the Governors Conference on Parkinsons Disease at the Seattle Aiport Hilton on 11/18/06 (its a saturday so easy to make it)
www.nwpf.com for the registration.

I'm not part of the organization, I'm just going.

If you wanna talk about this issue (PGR-ahem)educate yourself first. And I really mean that nicely to all of you-me-everyone.

oops sorry wrong url:

here is the corrected one...
http://www.nwpf.org/sympreg.asp

Matthew is right - a friend of my parents had Parkinsons, and he couldn't even swallow unless he was medicated. He could literally choke on his own saliva. It was terrible.

Thank you PGR for your apology and I accept it. Now if we could just get Rush Windbag to go on CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox News and say how WRONG he was.
I'd say the best apology might be for you to attend the conference I mentioned and educate educate educate.

I have a disease known as Essential Tremor which is a cousin of Parkinsons Disease. I would not comment on this subject, or any for that matter unless I know of which I speak.

I'd accept a sincere gesture of apology from Windbag - suicide, perhaps?

Golob, pry yourself away from Limbaugh's flabby teat for a moment and realize that the Rush is utterly transparent and the "facts" in his case are always quite simple to understand (he makes his living talking to repuggies, so he has to keep it simple.)

MJ Fox uses his fame to endorse Democrat, Pill-Fiend uses his fame to ridicule MJF's disease to conservatives. This makes Republicans feel better about their miniscule penises and fetid vaginas.

Quite simple, really.

Cheers.

PGR, I meant, sorry Kolob... the post-break formatting doesn't display in the browser I'm using.

I love you too, Mr. X.

and we'll be looking for you to show your love also to the Northwest Parkinsons Foundation on 11/18 PGR, see ya there and we thank you for supporting the research for a cure!
God Bless you!

Arf, thank you for using the word quisling. I rather love that word.

Does apologizing mean that you're going to do the honorable thing and ditch the Republican Party? If it does, I apologize for calling you a toilet. If it doesn't, get ready for a fresh hot stream.

Actually, it's pronounced Miz-ur-ee.

Ha! No way Knarf. But let me first step into the tub.

I'd rather face the homophobes in the GOP than ruminate in the pessimistic dispiriting social engineering that defines the Democratic party of today.

Why is "social engineering" by Democrats bad, but all right when republicans do it, PGR??

Using 13th century religious dogma to squash medical research IS "social engineering"; enacting laws governing what we do in our private bedrooms IS "social engineering; enacting a tax code that allows 1% of the population to control 20% of the nation's wealth IS social engineering. As a matter of fact, PGR, ALL laws are "social engineering", in that all laws, even the most basic, are enacted to govern our behavior, and to "engineer" society to our liking.

Social engineering has been one of Rush's stock talking points for years, and it has always amazed me that people repeat it, cause it makes no sense whatsoever. To do away with "social engineering" we'd have to do away with all law. You really need to unplug your radio, and start thinking for yourself.

PGR (as if the R's would really let you be),

RE your post @38.

I meant Limbaugh @ 35. You're plenty appalling, but I'm nowhere near that mad at you (but if you spend 10 years on national radio talking like you post here I could get there).

This is just one more example of how Democrats use people with tragic backgrounds that they think to which they think we should not be able to respond. So much for free speech. They have used the Jersey girls, Jim Brady,Cindy Sheehan,Max Cleeland, and others to promote the Democratic party by using people struck with tragedy they think the other side will be afraid to respond to. This is exactly what Ann Coulter was talking about with her "doctrine of infallibility" in her book "Godless".

Oh no you d'nt Jay, bring Ann Coulter into this.
Boy oh boy, there's a genius for ya.
Woo hoo, thats starts a whole new subject. Its one thing to "use" someone who's experienced tragedy to forward a political cause, but its quite another when that "used" person steps up themselves, no, let me rephrase(for the sake of MJF)STAND UP FOR YOURSELF and use the political system to bring attention to your cause.
Get is straight Jay, not one of these people were forced to stand up and say what they have said, and I'm willing to wager they weren't directly paid either. They are all using each other and Ms. Ann "I eat your children for lunch" Coulter makes it sound like these poor people got "used". Far from it, the poor people used their new found fame and latched on to the party that would drive their cause forward.
Ann Coulter, really, to bring that bag of she-man crazy into this at all is overly laughable.

Trash Limbaugh deserves to have his head split open and then to sustain injury enough to incapacitate motor function to his own sanctimonious oxycotin laced pile of shit body, in similar fashion to what those who have Parkinson's disorder must endure on a daily basis. This fucking pile of excrement is full of love for the far right Christian fascist pigs; isn't odd that he, just like those fascist pigs that love him, talk endlessly about Jesus and holiness and purity, but are so quick to mock others with debilitating disorders. Thanks Rush for showing us what you are all about....hopefully you will die shortly, you filthy pig. Forget about just getting your head split open, just choke to death on a chicken bone while you are high on your oxycotin. That would make for a good sory on CNN.

How are children your future? You abort them all the time.

most of you a freaking retards...
it is never cool when social engineering is done by anyone... and also , I would like to point out that you "people" that are all about.. AWWWW look at poor MJF... please give me a freaking break.. $100. says none of you ever do a dang thing to help the poor... or have EVER donated to any cause... most of you just like to do alot of talking... stfu... what rush said is no different that what albore did or nancy polisy or whatever her name is... your just attacking rush because.... your on the other said.. hell look at the wacko gay hating DNC "persons" post up top... when he attack the Proud gay republican... dude get a life your just a stupid... here is something for all of you... stem cells do somethings but only from adults.. the stem cells from aborted babies... look like they may cause cancer... go look in up .. the english just released a 5 year study on it... OH WAIT.. attacks incoming... wait for it...