Funny how they at one time would have been considered "evil commies" and "godless aggressors" by the same people (what, 20 years ago?!)....Once again this proves that many religions will easily change their tune if you play what they want to hear.
Like Ive said, Pentecostal Christians are taking over Latin America, Africa, and eastern Europe. They have made it their priority to bring their brand of fundamentalism to other regions of the world.
Having grown up SacTown (in a pentacostal school), I can attest to this.
A lot of the Russian/Eastern Eurpoeans are racist assholes too.
Judging from the Russians I've met, it seems really hard to imagine them in a Pentecostal church or really any Protestant church. Those churches are so animated and in many ways, optimistic, and all the Russians I meet are so dour, subdued, and pessimistic. I almost expect that a Protestant missionary would try to proselytize and they'd frown and say, "I don't know why I should bother. Even if I accept Jesus Christ and my personal lord and savior," I'll probably still go to hell."
But, Gitai, that's the core of old-school Calvinist belief.
According to the article, most are not Russians, but Ukranian, Georgians and Belorussians. Makes sense since Pentecostals go for the poorest, and most uneducated countries and Pentecostals have some history in the Ukrane. I think the Slog post got it wrong. It should read former Soviet Republic immigrants, most Russians here are atheists and Jews.
You're right. Most of the immigrants in question are from former Soviet republics like the Ukraine, so they're not "Russian" in the current post-Soviet-Union political sense.
But the LA Times still refers to them as "Russian" in parts of its story, and a lot of Americans do the same when speaking colloquially. I know this sometimes offends immigrants from the former Soviet Republics, but on the other hand "former Soviet Republic immigrants" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and, more importantly, it can be confusing to readers.
It's a hard problem to write around. But I'll see if I can fix it in the post.
Ok, fixed it, I think. Thanks, Seme.
but it does seem that the fundies are doing a lot of missionary work in all of the former Soviet states...Russia included.
Just as pure personal experience, between 2002 and 2005 I was traveling to Russia about once every two months and I'll be damned if I can recall a single trip where I did not meet some fundy Xtians who were there either to do missionary work or pick up their adopted baby (arranged for by their sister church).
Seme, Russian is a useful catch all because for these immigrants, their two common languages are English and Russian. This isn't really a new thing. In Israel, where they absorbed 200,000 "Russians" in less than a decade. Yes, many of them are not from Russia proper, but newspapers for their communities are always printed in Russian, as are public notices and subtitles (actually, public notices are printed in Hebrew, Arabic, Russian, and English). It's a common, unifying factor, akin to the Francophonie.
This is surprising. Russians are well-known for their open minds, enlightened attitudes, and general empathy towards their fellow man.
Most Ukranians loathe Russians, almost as much as Estonians and the residents of the other Baltic republics. Its no big deal, but I just think the distinction helps because as the article points out, Russian comunities in other parts of the country are very different than the Sacramento Russian speaking communities. I think Eli's correction works since I think the language is the unifyer, but he is right in that its hard to get a grasp on the proper term, without sounding too PC. I wished the LA times article had done the same.
Most of the Russians I have met here are atheists; whereas the south king County Ukranians tend to be more of the fundie kind..
And Gnossos is right, the pentecostals are stepping it up all over the world. Specially in Latin America and Africa. Everytime I go back to Nicaragua for a visit, the plane is full of snake handling pentecostal missionaries from the US south.
stupid russians. I have a whole group of them living in an apartment complex 2 blocks away. these bastards are so poor that I think that the entire nation of russia has moved to this apartment complex. seriously, there are like 30 people living in each apartment. Fuck you you russian assholes. I, a gay man, live in a a 3 story house just for me while you live in a quarter of the space that I have and in this timy space you live with 20 other people. FUCK YOU
I made a song!!!
Russians are so smellyyyyyy.....they smell like vodka and farts
Their women are so fat and do not shave their body parts
How can a russian man hate gays when his wife looks like a man?
I don't really know...I guess because he can.
i am dam proud russian and anti-gay, i believe in the truth bible and yes russians are dam anti-gay, so to the guy who lives in his gay three story house what you happy about that you getting fucked in your asshole how can you find dam happiness in that, ohhh dam if even went to my mother land for one day and people found out that you a gay fruit you prabably would not come back alive to u.s.
and to tell u the truth you dont even know how most russians do better finacially then born citizens in u.s.
we be riding in bmws and mercedes while you gay americans be riding in
pontiac american garbage.
you gay asshole dont know much thats just that one apartment,
i bet you that the ratio of sucess between gay american compared to russians is really low, let say maybe for every 1
successfull american there is about 5 success full russians living in houses? i guess soo
now to all gays i would like to warn you even if you dont belive in bible just take a minute to think about it
when you die or end of world comes every single human will face judgment like in court
everysingle thing everyone did was recorded think as on camera
and for those who dont accept jesus christ have their ticket
which you burn and suffer for EVER, HEAR THAT FOREVER. but you all have a choice be saved and be at the party of heavens gates FOREVER! but homosexuality is not permitied
for god it is not acepted so it will only get u ticket to hell!
good luck think about it
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