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I hear abstinence has a high rate of failure, approximately equal to condoms made of rice paper.

Uh, Fnarf, the practice of abstinence is pretty effective.

It's the people who SAY they're practicing abstinence but AREN'T who throw of statistics. You know...the LIARS.

You guys - it's not about abstinence. That's just the excuse. What "normal Christian" would object to abstinence?

It's about feeding off the government trough. Think of the lucrative printing contracts and other ancillary business to put these programs in order! What better way to reward your contributors?

If somebody gets pregnant or AIDS, they reason, that's just too bad. If they had been responsible it wouldn't have happened, so they'd better not come running to the government to bail them out. People need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. No one ever said life is fair.

That's the Republican way. Nothing is ever their fault, but everyone else needs to be responsible for their actions.

It's all a question of how you want your nanny state to coddle you.

Do you want to have social restrictions regarding with whom, when, where, and how you can have sex placed on you and everyone around you, while economic opportunities (supposedly) swarm like flies over an Enumclaw horse?

Or do you want a feel-good nobody-slips-through-the-cracks (again, supposedly) social welfare system that for SOME reason decides to leave your personal privacy alone and lets you live your goddamn life the way you want it to. You know, just in case I want to marry a box turtle or something.

I mean, I'm all for wasteful government spending. As a writer and a university student, I'd never get any cash money otherwise, really. They fund my paycheck and for that I am thankful - but really now, this apeshit is getting a little too simian for my taste.

Studies have shown that abstinence-only education may prevent premarital sex, but it severely cripples those in the program who decide to you know, make their own decisions. Birth control, condoms, etc., are not widely known to children in these programs, and abstinence-only education is like covering up half your ass and claiming to be unexposed.

But hell, I'm preaching to the choir, I'm sure.

Look, asking a fake conservative if they're abstinent is like asking Rove or Cheney to tell the truth.

Given how effective Bush's abstinence-only education programs have been at preventing teens and preteens from having sex, this is obviously going to be the most successful program in government history.

They should spend another $50 million to promote hugs.

Who wants one? *waits with arms open*

I do! I do! But first I get to spit in your mouth—'kay?

As a conservative, I don't think abstinence-only programs even begin to do the work that's needed.

First, these are just programs. People still have the choice whether or not they should have sex. Wrong.

What this country needs to do is outlaw all sex, except that between a married couple (male and female, of course). This would help the world in innumerable ways.

AIDS would be stopped dead in its tracks. No gay sex = no AIDS. We can start ending the epidemic here through legal means. We can get the ball rolling, and hopefully the rest of the world will take our lead.

No more anti-sex programs. What we need are anti-sex pogroms.

Like everything else the right wingers do, ‘ignorance only’ education is doomed to fail. You expect them to actually practice what they preach (fiscal responsibility, small government, individual responsibility, hahahahahah, I can’t even type this without laughing) when all they do is the opposite.

The only thing these jagoffs are good at is appealing to some people’s sanctimonious arrogance and getting themselves elected.

Wait, so is the Answer Man actually suggesting that WE MAKE SEX ILLEGAL?

I guarantee rampant and wonton destruction of everything we hold dear in this country if a government were to ever try this. The regime would face more opposition than at any time ever before, and riots would be unleashed in the streets...

Actually, go for it.

Jeff,

Criminalizing sex is not as crazy as it sounds. Up until three years ago when the US Supreme Court ruled on Laurence V. Texas, homosexual sex between consenting adults was illegal in about a dozen states. You could be fined, convicted and even sent to prison.

My relationship with my partner was illegal when we lived in a red state in the '90s and the police could have arrested us. Yikes.

Dan is right. The question of who was a virgin on their wedding nights (plural... as most Republican lawmakers have been married more than once) is the only question that has not been asked. Why not?

Criminalizing all sex outside of a heterosexual marriage would be pretty much a call-to-arms for a good chunk of this nation. While I certainly don't support outlawing homosexual sex, if the government were to take the drastic step of outlawing ALL non-marital, non-heterosexual sex, there'd be a mob. And I would be leading it with a motherfucking pitchfork that is also ON FIRE.

Also, "wanton." Excuse me. I didn't mean to call for the destruction of delicious Chinese snacks.

I still say it's not about the sex. It's about creating a good-sounding program (to the moronic prudes who vote GOP) and then using it as a slush fund. Just like the office of Faith Based Initiatives.

We, as progressives, too often get hung up on what they say they are doing (promoting abstinence, in this case) and miss what they are really doing (bleeding the treasury and rewarding their cronies)

Power is important to these people, but it's the money they really want.

Silly waste of time.

Preaching to the progressive chior about this will get nobody elected.

Pointing out to conservative Christians that their GOP leaders are less than perfect is not going to weaken their support. It just demonstrates to them that their critics don't (want to) understand their concepts of sin, redemption, and the setting up of ideals.

Dan, you went to seminary school. If you want to get Christians to not vote for McGavick or Foskett, you're going to have to prove that they're irredeemable, not merely that they have sometimes fallen short.

Ballot initiative No. 1 on the VA ballot seeks to prescribe “[t]hat only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions."

Curiously enough, if you're so inclined, you are allowed to marry your first cousin.

By deduction, one's forced to conclude the Republican party's position on heterosexual matters is that spawning a brood of cousin Itts with your relatives is preferable to the occasional hook up with a stranger.

Why hasn't this ever been picked up on nationally?

They should hire Rush Limbaugh to be the national spokesman for the Adult Abstinence Program.

I know a poly family that moved from Virginia to Vermont specifically to make their family was legal ... just in case the more disapproving of the relatives decided to go after custody of the kids.

(FYI, Washington's law against adultery was removed from the RCW in the 70s, same as the law against same-sex relations.)

I'm beginning to think that Dan has a crush on Hugh...

*I* Have a Crush on Hugh. Just the sort of Republican State Rep I want. Busy with school, gorgeous, pierced, and in idealistic limbo.

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