Slog - Comments on Seattle Club Embroiled in Anti-Gay Slur Controversy! http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil No, I'm not talking about Neumo's or tonight's big Bufu show. Someone who claimed to be calling on behalf of an unidentified "gay group”—Scissor Sisters? Pet Shop Boys? Limp Bizkit?—called Chop Suey to complain about this month's Comeback poster. This anonymous caller's supposed group is upset about the use of the word faggot on the poster. Here's the poster... Here's a close-up of the offending language... Here's the download: This complaint comes so hard on the heels of the Neumo's/Bufu controversy that I can't help but wonder if the anonymous caller isn't attempting to engage in some sort of meta-commentary... Copyright 2007 Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:36:07 -0800 Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:00:31 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Kimblery Charles explained the whole "faggot controversy" the best. Rural people who use "faggot" in their songs are ignorant and backwards. So any rural artist using "faggot" must be boycotted.


But when urban people use "faggot" in songs or marketing material, it's being ironic and sophisticated. That's why The (straight) Beastie Boys can call their album "Don't be a faggot"


But if a Jamacian artist uses "faggot" in a song it's always wrong. Jamaica is a backwards rural place.


P.S. Thanks to everyone at The Stranger for having the patience to explain all this to us. I never understood why people got upset about Beastie Boys being homophobic, or why Buju was promoted in The Stranger last year and this year Buju is banned. Now I understand that urban people are always allowed to use "faggot".

]]> Kimblery http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470273 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470273 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:47:51 -0800 Comment by SB It isn't an anti-gay slur in the context in which it is used on the poster. It is obviously one gay man (stroking his manhood) coming on to another naked and arguably gay man in the men's lockerroom. These are the "right guys in the right context," as Dan puts it, and the issue is, therefore, moot.

Furthermore, this is obviously a long, long, long way from advocating murder and disfigurement by acid.

]]> SB http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470277 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470277 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:58:01 -0800 Comment by me Gee, want to make a guess as to who made that phone call? I wonder how long it will take before Kimberly the troll gets bored with this and goes on to annoy someone else.

]]> me http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470278 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470278 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:58:27 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage And awaaaaay we go!

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470279 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470279 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:58:51 -0800 Comment by Pervy Perv Nice mustache on the poster dude. I'd like to go for a ride on it.

]]> Pervy Perv http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470280 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470280 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:58:57 -0800 Comment by Paulus (And if you’ve never had sex with a gay man who likes to be called “faggot” in bed, in a locker room, or in a sling, well, then you don’t get laid much.)

I guess I don't get laid much.

]]> Paulus http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470286 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470286 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:02:32 -0800 Comment by Stalker of Celery Not urban, gay. Not slurs, not in this context—not anymore than "niggah" is when one black guy uses it in reference to another black guy. Not last year, six years ago. Not promoted, written up.

Kimberly: willfully obtuse—in spades, if I can say that.

]]> Stalker of Celery http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470288 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470288 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:03:39 -0800 Comment by charles Me, please. only trolls can call other people trolls. er wait... carry on.

]]> charles http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470289 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470289 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:04:11 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage But the night is still young, Paulus.

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470291 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470291 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:04:57 -0800 Comment by Paulus God help me.

]]> Paulus http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470293 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470293 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:13:06 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage The night is young, the moustache seats four.

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470294 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470294 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:14:46 -0800 Comment by Fnarf "Kimblery" the troll has mysteriously forgotten how to spell her name. Josh? Shoshana?

]]> Fnarf http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470296 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470296 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:18:17 -0800 Comment by nightlifejitters Wait a sec, Limp Bizkit is gay? In theory or in practice? Hmmmm, maybe your thinking of Limp Wristed Street Preachers. No wait, I think you mean Manic at the Disco? Oh nevermind, brain function is dropping, happy hour has already commenced.

And mustaches are just gross... ALWAYS

]]> nightlifejitters http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470311 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470311 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:45:23 -0800 Comment by Kimberly Even though I think I get it - urban people are free to use "faggot" in marketing materials and songs. It's hip and funny. All urban gays call each other "faggot" as a turn on during sex.


Dan Savage you are my hero.
Sometimes I feel so dense trying to sort out what is currently fashionable in Seattle. But it's all clear as day here in The Stranger. Ice-T can sing about "killing the faggot" and posters about faggots can be all over the Capitol Hill, but if a rural Jamaican man says faggot in a song, that's different. So as a rule of thumb boycott rural black performers.


Some people say Seattle's politically correct types are obtuse, but Seattle's rules for using "faggot" in songs and marketing materials are easy to grasp.

]]> Kimberly http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470312 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470312 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:48:56 -0800 Comment by Paulus Hey Kimberly, wanna fuck?

]]> Paulus http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470315 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470315 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:53:29 -0800 Comment by Jah man So are we still supposed to Boycott the Buju show even if it's at Studio 7? I like Jamaica, and could care less what's the currently fashionable way to use the world "faggot" on Capitol Hill. I hate politically correct nonsense and besides, there are probably more urban assholes in this world that rural ones anyways.

]]> Jah man http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470316 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470316 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:54:52 -0800 Comment by Dan Savage Bufu, not Buju. Have a little respect.

]]> Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470319 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470319 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:00:00 -0800 Comment by Stalker of Celery Was there ever a fashionable way to call for the murder—you know, the lynching—of homosexuals? I don't know. Guess we should ask a Jamaican.

]]> Stalker of Celery http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470321 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470321 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:06:17 -0800 Comment by geeze Kimberly is just being obtuse. Everyone with half a brain realizes that the Ice-T song about "Killing the Faggot" is an artistic statement.

This poster shows two gay guys calling each other faggot. That's just like a poster on Capitol Hill with two black guys sporting the caption "Hey Nigger want some of this". No educated person would object to that.


It has nothing to do with being politically correct, it's just knowing how to speak english and use words in context. Most Jamaicans are too ignorant to understand how to use American english in the correct context. It's sad what happened to Buju - but Buju has no one but himself to blame for his own cultural stupidity.

]]> geeze http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470324 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470324 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:12:50 -0800 Comment by Kimberly Ice-T is very fashionable and has a couple songs about "killing the faggot". Many other successful American performers sing about things like "shove a cactus up the butt of a faggot".


Jamaicans as a rule are too ignorant to understand how to write "kill the faggot" songs.


Here's a list of popular American performers songs about killing and hitting faggots.


http://www.phatfamily.org/dadislist.html

]]> Kimberly http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470325 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470325 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:16:10 -0800 Comment by COMTE Hey Kimberly, Wanna fuck?

]]> COMTE http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470333 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470333 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:05:34 -0800 Comment by Stalker of Celery Just to clarify: Kimberly? Do you see no difference between someone who is black using the world "nigger" in a song, and someone who is not black using the word "nigger" in a song that glorifies killing niggers?

]]> Stalker of Celery http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470357 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470357 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:59:30 -0800 Comment by Racist Watch Kimberly is a racist. She has sold out to the white Northern European patriacrchy, which rewards her with things other than chocolates and flowers.

Her homophobia is simply a side effect of the indoctrination. Her oppression of others feeds the oppression of her soul, and she will never find the vagina within if she does not regain the spirit of the Mother/Vagina that has spawned us all.

]]> Racist Watch http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470367 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470367 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:15:14 -0800 Comment by Kimberly Just to clarify according to The Stranger what's the difference between American Ice-T singing "kill the faggot" and Jamaican Buju singing the same?


The only Black artists we have to boycott are Jamaican ones. Urban American artists like Ice-T are free to write songs about "killing the faggot".


You people can be so stupid. The Stranger has never printed a word condemning The Beastie Boys or Ice-T and both use derogatory "faggot" and "kill the faggots" in their lyrics and promotions.


It's only Buju that is the problem. I don't even care myself, I just read The Stranger to find out what is currently cool.


This whole thing boils down to - boycott Buju because he's from Jamaica and doesn't know how to use "kill the faggot" in the right context. Many American rap and Hip Hop performers use the exact same lyrics but understand how to contextualize them. Duh!


]]> Kimberly http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470370 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470370 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:27:07 -0800 Comment by Racist Watch Ignore the power of the mother/vagina at your own peril, Kimberly. You may think it's OK to sleep with the Beastie Boys (white European Males!) but that only pollutes your receptacle.

If only you had the enlightenment to attend Comeback you would feel the positive queer energy and rejoice in the diversity of the mother/vagina.

There's more to life than Cafe Society, Kimberly. Pull your head out of the Nordstrom bag and rejoice in your receptacle!!!

]]> Racist Watch http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470374 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470374 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:40:03 -0800 Comment by I am so peeing in my pants The Stranger has the best trolls evah!

]]> I am so peeing in my pants http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470376 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470376 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:47:05 -0800 Comment by Boomer No one got their ass handed to them on Project Runway tonight. That's much more interesting than anything any of you people have to say here.

God, Seattle is boring.

]]> Boomer http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470383 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470383 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:20:33 -0800 Comment by Racist Watch Boomer, television only shrivels your inner ovary which, regardless of gender, was given you by the mother/vagina.

I call for a national strike and day of solidarity against all Boomers, everywhere, as well as Kimberly. Meet at the Federal Building tomorrow at 10am!!!!

]]> Racist Watch http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470385 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470385 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:24:13 -0800 Comment by Boomer I'm in New York. Which is not boring. Who's Kimberly?

]]> Boomer http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470393 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470393 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:41:36 -0800 Comment by Some Guy Some slut would be my guess. Everybody wants to fuck her.

]]> Some Guy http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470414 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470414 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:40:37 -0800 Comment by s Buju Banton is not being banned all over this country solely for his lyrics. He, and a group of men, were suspected of beating a gay man so badly that they left him blind in one eye. he was found not guilty by a jamaican court which is normal for courts in that country which look the other way on crimes against gays. I believe that he committed the act that he was acquited of. Cancelling his show was a good thing for both seattle and himself. A man who brutally beat a gay man should be wary of coming into seattle's gayest neighborhood because there are a lot of people who would want to return the favour and leave him hanging from a lamp-post in capitol hill. Buju Banton is a coward. I feel that he would probably have cancelled the show himself anyway for fear for his own safety. He is on his way back to his smelly poverty stricken island with $15000. He probably should get a proper haircut to cut off his smelly unwashed dreadlocks, but he will just spend his money on weed like all of his stupid jamaican unemployed men.

]]> s http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470420 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470420 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:59:14 -0800 Comment by MoTown #26: Totally. Since it's becoming clear that Josh/Shoshana/Racist Watch/Kimbrlrly are probably the same troll person, it'd be interesting to see Josh vs. Shoshana or RW vs. Kmbrirley in a chat-off. Obviously the person behind them all is used to typing with one hand.

]]> MoTown http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470423 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470423 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:19:48 -0800 Comment by MoTown C'mon Stranger IT. You know you want to scan the IPs... =)

]]> MoTown http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470424 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470424 Homo Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:22:53 -0800 Comment by BR Once again, are we done with this yet? It's official Slog is beyond lame. Please write about something anyone (with a brain) would care about.

]]> BR http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470458 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470458 Homo Thu, 28 Sep 2006 06:46:26 -0800 Comment by Lloyd Clydesdale Motown, word. Depressing.

]]> Lloyd Clydesdale http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470466 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470466 Homo Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:49:02 -0800 Comment by Boycott Jamaican Jamaican men are rural inbred idiots. They are homophobic and their music should be boycotted.

]]> Boycott Jamaican http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470485 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470485 Homo Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:14:01 -0800 Comment by Kimberly The Buju show last night was great. I smoked a couple of bowls with a cute guy before so I was jazzed. I'm so glad The Stranger called for the boycott because I work with a couple of gay guys and I wanted them to be able to have their say.


But it all worked out because even though The Stranger boycotted Buju, advertisements for the Buju show were still appearing in Slog. (why would The Stranger advertise the Buju show if Buju really did beat up gay men? That would be hypoctritical!).


So I knew it was OK to both agree that the show should be boycotted and attend the show too! It's all Hegel's dialectic right? I think?!?


Anyway there were tons of cute guys at the show, and even some gay guys. The world is not really black or white. It's both. There may be bad things about Buju but his music brings all kinds of people together dancing. So that's beautiful!

]]> Kimberly http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470496 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470496 Homo Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:31:23 -0800 Comment by dre marcus wilson, the guy who makes the offending fliers, is gonna be giving out a bunch of "fag swag" at comeback this friday so come get your free FAGGOT YOGA MAT!!!!

]]> dre http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470684 http://slog.thestranger.com/2006/09/seattle_club_embroil#c470684 Homo Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:00:31 -0800